what shall we do with afghanistan?????

[Psycho Pakistani]

we have no other choice,and plus taliban are not a single force,the haqqanis and hizb-e-islami group are separate from taliban,atleast an afghanistan under taliban would be notionally pro-pakistan and they won,t let america use afghanistan as a terror base to support our enemies.

our real enemy is america not india.


the pakistani taliban are a totally different group from the afghan taliban,infact the afghan taliban have said themselves that they have nothing to do with pakistani ntaliban.TTP was a group manufactured by america to conduct terror operations within pakistan.

Are you spokesman of afghan taliban, what is the reason behind this exclusive love and unconditional support for afghan taliban.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

It is matter of honour for those people.

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Soldires have honour to serve nation
.. terrorist /mujahid/ freedom figter are shame of humanity

 

[Psycho Pakistani]

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Soldires have honour to serve nation
.. terrorist /mujahid/ freedom figter are shame of humanity

Keep your convictions to yourself , you are in no position to judge who is freedom fighter and who is terrorist. A kashmiri mujahid is freedom fighter for us (especially for me because I am racially kashmiri) but terrorist for indians.

 

[Owl of Abott]

Are you spokesman of afghan taliban, what is the reason behind this exclusive love and unconditional support for afghan taliban.

only one reason,taliban are the only force on which pakistan can rely on,the warlords in the northern alliance are allied with russia,india and iran,and they will only promote their interests in afghanistan,not ours.

 

[nair]

only one reason,taliban are the only force on which pakistan can rely on,the warlords in the northern alliance are allied with russia,india and iran,and they will only promote their interests in afghanistan,not ours.

Well Both India and Pakistan should stop interfereing in their matters.... Let them decide what they want..... If you start taking sides we are back to square one..... Wait for another 9/11 and cycle restart

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Keep your convictions to yourself , you are in no position to judge who is freedom fighter and who is terrorist. A kashmiri mujahid is freedom fighter for us (especially for me because I am racially kashmiri) but terrorist for indians.

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thanks .. i dont force my conviction to otthers..
Simple definition of terrorist...
those who kill innocent people (except soldiers as they legitmate as they are on border )
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If ,
kashmiri mujahid is freedom fighter for YOU..
then
ISIS is too Freedom figters...
USA too freedom figter as they did in iraq and afg...
those who rammed plane on 9/11 too
those who make volance in pak are tooo..
i can quote many
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Racial kashmiri..
i understand your pain ...
india -pak conflict price paid by all kashmiris..
but till we dont clear above definition.. price will be and there buddy..

Well Both India and Pakistan should stop interfereing in their matters.... Let them decide what they want..... If you start taking sides we are back to square one..... Wait for another 9/11 and cycle restart

'Let them decide what they want'

 

[Skull and Bones]

Seal the border, and let them decide what's best for them.

 

[qamar1990]

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Please see Afganistan as Nation not as strategic depth ..
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Pak and taliban - good or bad
Pak used taliban/terrorist against USSR and then against india as strategic asset...
Pak had formidamel clout in taliban in 9os era...
even plane hijacked of Indian airline been to kandhahar and we have to release some terrorist..
Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
same terroist found in pak in muderd of danial peal...
Masood Azhar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
all these guys in pak ..courtesy Taliban...
so point is Taliban was used by pak establishment for thier benefit against India in afg...
not that wepon is killing people in pak...good or bad talib ... its same..
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hey are clearly harboring our enemies and even opened up our back yard to our old nemesis "india
can we interfer in pak as you ahve good relastion with china and we had war with you..on same logic?
Afg is independent country ruined by partly USSR then USA and then PAk...
if they getting help from india its their right and sovereignty ...
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India as enemy...
yes both country had war... btter realation...
please understand indians hate terrosiam not pak .. or people...
if you stop harbouring them.. thing will be diffrent...
i know hating india is imp paramerte for many organisation to exit in pak itself so its not so simple..
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their government is hostile and increasingly their population is also hostile to pakistanis.
see dichotomy..
pak provide many afgani people shelter .. still they hate you...
you are best judge why they do ?
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after operation zarb e azb comes to a stop what shall we do with afghanistan?
Zarb ops is just bandaid to big problem..
it may take care of terrorist from other side of border ..
but are they real cause of concern?
if afg is so much problem... make durand line wired like we did in kashmir...
much of the problem lies inside pak than outisde
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what will the army do?
army at ground have limited option...
either stop the or kill them
it will take more diplomatic work as there are many offshots of local leadership which need to be taken to table ..
army in pak have power to take call but international diplomacy need to be govt -either elcted or miilitary ..to handle it
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what shall pakistan do abut the indian presence in afghanistan?
what Pak can do positively .. to over ride india in works we do in afg .. in infra, health and other sector..
negativelty it can use bombing consulate like did in herat ...
Afg is indepedant nation so they need whoever who cna help them..
-can india say same thing for chinas presence in pak ..?
how much indian presence shall pakistan tolerate?
First its not pak right to decide who will be in afg or not..
its their leaders or local ledaership to decided who they want there
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/can-india-fix-afghanistan/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Abdullah Abdullah (Afghanistan Presidential candidate) on Indian Standard Time - YouTube
Bay Laag 16th January 2014 Pakistan, India, Afghanistan Khittay Ki Surat e haal - YouTube
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@qamar1990
nice question.. basic but imp

well obviously india isn't doing these things because they like the afghans they are obviously doing this so they can get permission from the afghans to operate from there. how ever all their work go to waste after the united states withdraws…

how ever regardless of what india pakistan needs to do more to win the afghans over and if they don't the we need to seal our border and cut them off and let them go through iran if they must.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

well obviously india isn't doing these things because they like the afghans they are obviously doing this so they can get permission from the afghans to operate from there. how ever all their work go to waste after the united states withdraws…

how ever regardless of what india pakistan needs to do more to win the afghans over and if they don't the we need to seal our border and cut them off and let them go through iran if they must.

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no country does it .. becuase of liking but because of National interest...
Afg is imp for india for .
Economy -- big reserves of minerals, Coal , helpful in energy security with iran
Politicaly - we already faced brunt in Indian airline hikacking which station in kandhahar nder taliabn .. which terrorist are in pak..link already given in last post.
Socilay - india like pak have relasthion dated 1000 yr back from vedic and harapan era ...
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India and its role in pak confilct ..
to be honest.. i dont deny india keeping eyes close ...
incidants like herat bombing shows thier imp in afg
we are prorecting ourslef only..
if you think india is using terrorist to hurt pak show to UN make india accountable like we did in Kargil..
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Work go waste after USA leave..
1st whether USA stay or leave its independat of indian national interest and foring policy..
we make independant decidion which sometime hurt our frinds..
like Rafael deal ..to give example.
USA is there and will not leave..atleast in 2-3 yr period ..
10 Facts About the US Withdrawal from Afghanistan - Countdown to Drawdown
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/w...ghan-pullout-by-end-of-2016-obama-to-say.html
AFG is too precious for them..
they just want to be in backend rahter front end like before

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Afg..
let them choose whom they want and waht they want
but not expense of pak or india
live and let live
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Border seal
that best option..
in any case .. border is to be seal
if difficult terrain then Tech wil help to reduce if not prevent unwanted guest..
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[Psycho Pakistani]

well obviously india isn't doing these things because they like the afghans they are obviously doing this so they can get permission from the afghans to operate from there. how ever all their work go to waste after the united states withdraws…

how ever regardless of what india pakistan needs to do more to win the afghans over and if they don't the we need to seal our border and cut them off and let them go through iran if they must.

Yes this could be more rational policy, carrot and stick formula, so far pakistan is relying only on Carrot but if all options run out then we need to use stick against afghanis.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

annex them

 

[IceCold]

First priority
1) A friendly regime in Afghanistan who does not let her soil being used against Pakistan
2) Make them accept durand line as permanent border

Pakistan on its part should help develop infrastructure, train their armed forces, get them into a security agreement with Pakistan

If this fails

than nuke them and get rid of this decease of a country called Afghanistan. Pakistan will be a lot safer and better and so will be the rest of the world.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

First priority
1) A friendly regime in Afghanistan who does not let her soil being used against Pakistan
2) Make them accept durand line as permanent border

Pakistan on its part should help develop infrastructure, train their armed forces, get them into a security agreement with Pakistan

If this fails

than nuke them and get rid of this decease of a country called Afghanistan. Pakistan will be a lot safer and better and so will be the rest of the world.

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except nuke . practical...and achivebale

 

[Progressive1]

First realization of some realities; we like it or not they are stitched with us in civilization context(thats why when they bleed we also bleed), they share demography+ Afghanistan is traditionally depended on plains of Indus for bread basket for a stagnant society, trade sea routes etc, so the best solution in ideal world is combine growth with sort economic integration (not talking about annexation), visa free travels etc but things are less than ideal ATM.
Forget India they have nothing of this sort of connection and never will, they are a non issue. The amount and type of help Pak can offer is unparalleled e.g Afghan student consider themselves almost at home in Pak.

Now coming to Pashtun nationalism causing any destability etc that is also a non issue because of some reasons,

Pakistani Pashtuns are some of the most patriotic Pakistanis and have very strong connection with PAK, only thought in some of them is to annex Pashtun areas of Afghanistan with Pakistan. Another interesting thing is that Pakistani Pashtuns are most socially mobile community and are present everywhere across country actually the country is more integrated than ever because of them.Dont go by some keyboard warrior on internet there is very high chance he might be some Afghan sitting abroad, go by ground realities/real people.


Second there is also a big check from Afghan side ; Tajiks. Tajiks are actually biggest opponent of any trans border Pashtun nationalism etc as it will make Pashtuns too powerful and they fear domination.

Finally KPK is too diverse for it; Chitralis, Hindku, Kalash, people of GB are also there and will get even more diverse once it become economic hub of north.

 

[humanfirst]

only one reason,taliban are the only force on which pakistan can rely on,the warlords in the northern alliance are allied with russia,india and iran,and they will only promote their interests in afghanistan,not ours.

Didn't afghan taliban condemn drone strike on TTP leader hakeemullah mehsud in their official website and promised to avenge..? Would this happen if ttp are American proxies..?Isnt ttp leadership hosted in afghan taliban hotbeds of kunar and nuristan where NATO/ANA have very little control..?