Can India do what Russia did in Ukraine? -Gen. Tariq

[IblinI]

Nice topic.

 

[PradoTLC]

. But the reality is that india is too weak, powerless, backward and scared to try to confront Pakistan.

more importantly it is afraid of losing from Pakistan..

 

[Paitoo]

Is there really some place "Majnoo ka Teela", or it is imaginary?

Majnu-ka-tilla - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[PradoTLC]

Do you factor economic stability of both countries? I’ve heard you guys are literally taking loans to finance your imports when here we’re discussing how India becomes trade surplus. Any Ukraine type assault which Russia did started with cruise missiles, Pakistan can target our bases and we can target yours, but you have only one Port while we have multiple ports and when your port infra becomes obliterated then your economy cripples and evenif you destroy all of our seaports on our west coast still we’ll have our east coast safe. Thats the difference.

and that is why you begged Pakistan to open it's airspace as your national airlines collapsed..

if you like we would happy to ban any inbound air traffic to india

 

[Joe Shearer]

Good idea. @SIPRA paa ji can get some roghni naan with qorma, you can get some bengali fish and I will arrange the booze.

Location: Majnoo ka teela.
Why? Because I love the name

I don't cook fish or meat, but I'll find a good outlet and get it to go.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Who ever controls the Sky, dictates the outcome.

To effectively counter and cover Indian land mass, PAF needs 1000+ fighter Aircraft. Smaller and more vulnerable the country ground forces. Bigger and better Air Force they need.

 

[PradoTLC]

The General's assertions are correct. The military disparity between Pakistan and India is not as wide as between Ukraine and Russia, and Pakistan is more evenly matched with India on the IB (India has to commit resources elsewhere too). Conventionally, Pakistan has shorter and more sustainable supply lines, a battle hardened army, an evenly matched air force and generally sharper 'Tip of the Spear' military technology.

I don't think India would be able to do a Russia in Pakistan even just in conventional terms. They would not be able to ground the Pakistani airforce or establish air superiority, and because of India's size, as we saw in the early 2000s, they are slow to mobilise which gives Pakistan a headstart and the opportunity for a preemptive first strike (in line with our doctrine).

In terms of China, no country is going to fight another's wars. War is ultimately a destructive force and something China knows keenly (hence its approach being pushing and prodding instead of open conflict). Pakistan didn't go to war over Afghanistan in 2001 even though we were close allies, and we have stayed out of Yemen as well. What Pakistan will benefit from China though is non-kinetic support, similar to the support NATO is giving to Ukraine at the moment in the form of signit intel and supplies. Pakistan's military integration with China makes it easier for China to resupply us, especially in the air. I think the furthest China would go would be in terms of assisting us in cyber war against the Indians. As Gwadar develops as well, I think Pakistan can rely on China keeping Pakistan's sea lanes open, something which Pakistan has struggled with in past wars - Indian attempts to close or blockade Gwadar could be seen as a casus belli for China and something they will likely want to stay away from.

Essentially, Pakistan would not have the naval and supply side issues it has had in previous wars, and would be (we hope) be able to rely on superiority in the cyber dimension. What extent that superiority is in cyber we don't know - the Indians may get better at it with Western help, and the Chinese may want to limit the extent of their assistance in that domain to prevent dragging themselves into the conflict as a direct party. But I would say something similar to February 27th 2019 would be on the cards.

And also - can we please put a lid on the IEA hero worship. They are great at guerilla warfare but things only picked up for them from 2008 when Pakistan started increasing its support and they relied on safe havens in FATA. They cannot fight a conventional war. This was a mistake Hamid Gul made in Jalalabad in 1989 and a mistake the IEA made in Chaman where they were rebuffed across the border with 9-13 casualties. The Indian Army isn't the ANA and the IEA aren't some superheroes. Pakistan's army jawans are far more capable than IEA footsoldiers and by placing the latter on a pedestal we are doing our brave men a disservice.

Who ever controls the Sky, dictates the outcome.

To effectively counter and cover Indian land mass, PAF needs 1000+ fighter Aircraft. Smaller and more vulnerable the country ground forces. Bigger and better Air Force they need.

No we just need modi and co to rule india for another 10 years

 

[Abid123]

Pakistan has a massive army, a potent air arm and soon to be strong navy. It has less land to defend and can concentrate huge firepower on various points. It has force multipliers in the form of AWACS, satellite surveillance, long range radars, a comprehensive air defence network and nuclear weapons.
Resource wise we may struggle i.e. we are not a oil producer, gas wise we may be ok, but we do have ample men to throw into battle with a population of 235 million. Yes India has more but with the Pakistani population far younger this can negate much of it.

Better times economically will come for Pakistan soon. Imran Khan is cleaning up the trash left by PPP and PMLN since 2008. We have everything needed to become a major economic power. Geo-strategic location, Skilled workforce, A big and young population, Military wise we are Already a major military power. In top 10.

 

[Adonis]

IF india could, they would have ALREADY done so by now. But the reality is that india is too weak, powerless, backward and scared to try to confront Pakistan.

Not India but US may do it.....using same pattern India used in Bangladesh....without putting boots on the ground though.

China may not be involved beyond a certain limit....in it's cost benefit analysis, Pakistan does not fit to take big risks for....It could have helped Afghanistan and would be having influence and connectivity to central Asia and to Iran (BRI)....but the risk was too high there......So if China can't take risk of such level (low risk appetite)...why it will do so for Pakistan?

In fact the way India has taken stand for Russia despite being ally of US, has established that India is not yet gone fully to the West.....so think-tanks in China are pondering on a different strategy of pulling India into it's side using Russia and middle-east......if that is a possibility, Pakistan can easily been sacrificed as the gain far exceed the loss.