Can India do what Russia did in Ukraine? -Gen. Tariq

[SIPRA]

Agreed. These people are dumber than a rock. But they don't have support against Army in Punjab.

@ziaulislam just you to know, Punjabi nationalists do not like NS or PMLn.

They can't do much, while out of power. But they can destruct armed forces, while in power, which Nawaz Sharif has already tried twice. 1999 was a very close call. There was a strong possibility of internal fight in army, when Pervez Musharraf was removed.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

Agreed. These people are dumber than a rock. But they don't have support against Army in Punjab.

@ziaulislam just you to know, Punjabi nationalists do not like NS or PMLn.

Bhai what is the point of this nationalism, all nationalism is divisive and will damage Pakistan. Unity is more important especially at such a critical time in our history, we xant afford disunity otherwise we will get badly damaged

 

[Joe Shearer]

oh phir say billi kay sapnon may cheechday?

Isn't it wonderful how you can think of what Indians are thinking, and then go on to dissect it?

Straw man, anyone?

 

[Vapnope]

Bhai what is the point of this nationalism, all nationalism is divisive and will damage Pakistan. Unity is more important especially at such a critical time in our history, we xant afford disunity otherwise we will get badly damaged

Mere bhai, your concept of nationalism is my concept of nationalism. You aren't trying to divide anyone, only trying to respect our very own culture.

 

[Joe Shearer]

the better question they indians should ask themselves is that what can india do to not end up like ukraine because, in its own way and as per jurnayl niravanay, Pakistan has increased sending in insurgents

My sincere advice: please get under the bed and stay there. @Flash_Ninja is likely to assault you.

that should remind indians of the separatists in donbas and crimea. that should worry the indians that if Russia succeeds in snatching away and absorbing the donbas region just as it did with crimea, what will india do when Pakistan decides to send in forces into iiok in the name of securing the rights of the Kashmiris people and their land in light of the fact that iiok/ladhak is a region that has the masses uprising against india with indian forces overstretched, demoralized and fatigues with a ruthless China breathing down their necks! after all, they have already lost 1100sqkm of iiok to China...whats next up for them to loose?

Their pajama strings?

If you are talking about what we have to lose, it might be inhibitions.

Zia, do you take Pakistan army as some school kid who would do nothing when someone (Maryam) tries to denuclearize Pakistan?

Also i find it hilarious that Punjabis who have no history of picking up arms against the state of Pakistan are suddenly being considered the greatest threat to Pakistan only because they have started to respect their culture and language?

I find it ridiculous that all these years non Punjabis always pointed out that army is full of Punjabis and now suddenly Punjabis are the threat !

Into each life some rain must fall.

Smallest possibility of the greatest threat is considered the greatest threat

So basically a populaist leader who has unquestionable support in central punjab calling for establishment neck day and night is now laughable..

Reminds me how ayub would laugh at mujeeb ur rehman threat stating its impossible that whole of bengal(which had larger populus then entire west pakistan) would revolut

Any history reader would see the similarity

Same thing in 1960s would lead you to be banished(benazir), hung(bhutto) or jailed(ANP leader/party banned)

Times have indeed changed

5% of anti establisent sentiment in punjab is a bigger threat then 50% anti establishment sentiment in balochistan

People dont understand this simple fact

Hanged.
Things are hung, people are hanged.

lol .. 7x.. You know each time you write 7x, It reminds me how you reached 7x.

Well, You were not 7x Smaller.
You have been made and FORCED to be 7x Smaller in 71 > Say Thanks to Endia, which 'ended' your 4 times area , and reduced you to a mere 7 times area when compared to India.

Your mention of 7x is ( entirely ignoring who and what made you loose your 40 ) is laughable.
So Next time you Utter this 7x, its actually ( 7x reduced from 4x )



lol 35% of Kashmir ?

Well, It was and is a MUSLIM Majority, If you talk about 1947, It was a Muslim Population which should have gone naturally to Pakistan.
So, Betaji, You didnt get 35%, you LOST 65% of the Area, which was ENTIRELY a Muslim Area.

And, You didnt just loose 65% of Kashmir, in 47 you also lost another 40% of Your Area in 71.

Cruel, CRUEL.....

 

[Joe Shearer]

Okay, so the biggest success in over 5000 years of indian history is when over a million bengali militia men combined with a further 670,000 heavily armed indian troops were able to take on 45,000 lightly armed PA soldiers who were over 3000 kms away from their mainland..............brilliant!.

What is your objection to this? Should it have been resolved by a kabaddi match? Or your champion doing drill at the Wagah post during the sunset ceremony, against the Indian champion? Why do countries build armies? and navies, and air forces? To send them up one at a time? Why did your air force behave in flat contradiction of your bombast on the 27th Feb?

So you admit that Pakistan has domain over 35% of Kashmir despite being more than 7× smaller than india and india only 45%.......................could you now explain this severe disparity and how the indian weakness and backwardness has caused it............

You wouldn't take the intense desire of the people of Gilgit and the people of Sudanuti to be with Pakistan to be a factor, would you?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Isn't it wonderful how you can think of what Indians are thinking, and then go on to dissect it?

Straw man, anyone?

indian thinking is VERY simple:

BAD: Pakistan, Pakistanis, Muslims, Islam.

GOOD: ANYTHING that is not Pakistani, Muslim or Islamic.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

Mere bhai, your concept of nationalism is my concept of nationalism. You aren't trying to divide anyone, only trying to respect our very own culture.

In what way though?

This is more important:

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What is your objection to this? Should it have been resolved by a kabaddi match? Or your champion doing drill at the Wagah post during the sunset ceremony, against the Indian champion? Why do countries build armies? and navies, and air forces? To send them up one at a time? Why did your air force behave in flat contradiction of your bombast on the 27th Feb?


You wouldn't take the intense desire of the people of Gilgit and the people of Sudanuti to be with Pakistan to be a factor, would you?

Yet this build up by india has never been able to take on Pakistan on it's western border despite being h more than 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the full backing of the West and Russia.......................at least you indirectly admit that india can ONLY take on the Pakistan military when they are isolated by 3000 kms of enemy territory and the indians outnumber Pakistanis by a ratio of 20:1 and have bengali help/support...........

 

[Joe Shearer]

You landed your troops in kashmir officially in 27 Oct 1947 with the objective of controlling WHOLE KASHMIR. Yet it was foiled by Pakistan by use of militia and was able to snatch Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan Region. Yet in your comment you claim Pakistan "lost 65%" of kashmir. How? It was you who failed their OBJECTIVE OF ANNEXING WHOLE KASHMIR even with landing of armed forces yet Pakistan which was militarily 4x smaller ( as you mentioned).

Have you forgotten when the insurrection in the Pakistan-administered Kashmir started? Look up dates please.

Also, do you remember the name William Alexander Brown, who mutinied against his state, and was awarded both the OBE and Pakistan's Sitara-i-Imtiaz? This is part of what he said about himself and his actions,".... my actions appeared to possess all the elements of high treason..."

Finally, do you remember about the siege of Skardu and the massacre of its garrison after it surrendered after months, or the capture of Kargil, or the siege of Leh? All this at a time when the Indian Army was not around.

India gains nothing in war with Pakistan.
In future all conflicts will be like 26,27 Feb
Limited to Kashmir. But BJP govt can start skrimish for domestic(election) purpose which has all the possibility of escalation to war.
In such a scenario India will look to US for quick de escalation as militarily and economically India can’t survive even a month long war.
After airforce failure in balakot, next option is ballistic missile .

RSS idea of akhand bharat( occupying pak, Bgd, Afg) is just a lollipop it gives to dumb Indians. They will never even try taking Azad Kashmir let alone other territories .

100% right.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

My sincere advice: please get under the bed and stay there. @Flash_Ninja is likely to assault you.


Their pajama strings?

If you are talking about what we have to lose, it might be inhibitions.


Into each life some rain must fall.


Hanged.
Things are hung, people are hanged.


Cruel, CRUEL.....

Cruel is over 4 million indians dying from covid-19 and over 732 million indians defecating in the open...........:

Covid-19: India excess deaths cross four million, says study

Excess deaths - those above expected levels - are a measure of the overall impact of the pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

At 732 Million, India Tops List on Number of People Without Access to Toilets: Report

In addition to the increased risk of disease, the lack of sanitation facilities also makes women and girls susceptible to harassment and illiteracy.

www.google.co.uk

Have you forgotten when the insurrection in the Pakistan-administered Kashmir started? Look up dates please.

Also, do you remember the name William Alexander Brown, who mutinied against his state, and was awarded both the OBE and Pakistan's Sitara-i-Imtiaz? This is part of what he said about himself and his actions,".... my actions appeared to possess all the elements of high treason..."

Finally, do you remember about the siege of Skardu and the massacre of its garrison after it surrendered after months, or the capture of Kargil, or the siege of Leh? All this at a time when the Indian Army was not around.


100% right.

Do have ANY credible evidence for the above?..................if you are not lying then remember to post the links here........

 

[Joe Shearer]

Russians got a jolly good spanking. We now have a good template for what to do with the second line of defense in case of an Indian invasion: arm the populace with guns while deploying National Guard (equipped with ATGMs, and MANPADs) into cities.

Wot a surprise!

I thought you'd already done it.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

Ok
So PMLN "vote ko izzat do" has no support
Zardari is the one who saw greater punjab idealogy of PMLN years ago. I credit him for that

What's your solution?

 

[Joe Shearer]

First get a Good Paksitani Eye Doctor.
PS : All the Links were from Forbes/Pakistani sources ( dawn)/Pakistani TV Shows /Pakistani Videos.

Omigosh.
You think he reads?
My money would have been on TV shows.

 

[Vapnope]

In what way?

Listen to this:

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Do you want Pushtuns to give up Pashto, Sindhis to Sindhi, Muhajirs to Urdu, Baluch to Brahvi?

Should Pushtuns stop attan, Sindhis Ho jamalo, Saraikis Jhumar?

I am yet to understand how and why any nationalism is bad for Pakistan. You tried to suppress Bangalis from their nationalism and see what happened after a tipping point came.

Our diversity is our strength, i don't claim to be a superior race or culture, neither do i believe that some other culture or race are superior to ours. Punjabi nationalism is not against any culture or race, neither it is against Pakistani nationalism.

Also we have derailed the thread enough. Lets open another thread for this.