Can India do what Russia did in Ukraine? -Gen. Tariq

[ziaulislam]

Solution: kill Maryum Nawaz

& create another bhutto

Come on bhai, have some faith in Allah. This is the absolute worse case scenario and I have full faith in Allah that this will not happen.

The state is not as weak as you think otherwise we would not have made it to 2015. Remember Pak was fully expected to collapse in 2009 , it didn't. Then it was expected to collapse by 2014, it didn't. Just rewind to 10 yes ago and compare to today, we're in a much better position and by Allah's mercy we have survived.

The road ahead is not going to be smooth sailing, there will be hiccups. We need desperate reforms in all sector's of government... centralised presedential government is need of hour. Need to purge all ethnonationalists and misinformation warfare. Need to promote unity. These things for a start..

We will get through inshAllah.

State didnt collpase because people were united

What i am pointing towards is exactly the opposite

Nothing will happen as long as people are united

 

[PakSarZameen47]

& create another bhutto


State didnt collpase because people were united

What i am pointing towards is exactly the opposite

Nothing will happen as long as people are united

People were not united. You had ethnic parties in power - ANP in KPK , who had made deals to handover swat Valley to TTP, PMLN in federal, Karachi on fire with ethnic fighting, Balochistan on fire with BLA whilst we had media propagating peak sem2sem with India next door as well as propaganda agaisnt forces. Army officers were being martyred outside gates of GHQ - they couldn't wear uniforms in public , with religious groups also releasing statements saying that army officers fighting insurgents should not be considered shaheed . All at a time where economy was collapsing- if this is not dire then I don't know what is.

It's a miracle we survived the past decade. Things are better now... but yes there are changes needed ASAP. People are not as divided as they have been previously, it has been a lot worse.....

@ziaulislam

 

[Last starfighter]

4. China will not....no one will fight for us but us. And we don't want anyone.

We don't need anyone

There is one thing I believe and hope when push comes to shove , IA in the case of a full scale war or the warring factions will stand on a united front

 

[untitled]

PAF bigger and stronger than the UAF

It would be interesting to know the results of this simulation.

@SQ8 is it possible to run a simulation on the current Russia-Ukraine conflict and equip the Ukrainian Air Force with all the Pakistani hardware?

 

[PakistaniFirst]

Not really
They have the numbers
And on the sea front their navy out classes us
Though this is going to change with rapid induction of 8 major vessels and 8 submarines in less then 5 years period of 2022-2027

The reason you stated for " Not really" is flawed imo. As they have numbers proportional to their land, border and population. Furthermore, in terms of navy even if we dont regard the rapid induction and modernization of our navy as of right now we are more than capable to defend our shoreline. India may have numbers on its navy but again my reason would be regarding the length of the shoreline because india has a bigger shoreline and we dont need to match india's number to have a more than enough naval defense ( which as of rn we HAVE even if dont consider the inductions of 2023-2027)

 

[Joe Shearer]

Indians lost 1000s of troops to get bengaldesh annexation.

The figure I have, the official figures, come to not even hundreds. Just curiousity - you are entitled to your alternative histories - where did you get the figure 1000s of troops from?

My mistake. The casualty list was 16,000; I was reading the wrong table, for a particular division. That is 4,000 killed and 12,000 wounded.

You were right in your figures.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

I hope our Generals in GHQ are watching and studying every moment of this war Putin has started. No doubt indian politicians and militery personnel have started to write a new script.
Pakistan will stand alone if and when this occurs in our region. Others such as the west and Gulf States will be spectators only providing criticism and pointless statements.

 

[GumNaam]

oh phir say billi kay sapnon may cheechday?

the better question they indians should ask themselves is that what can india do to not end up like ukraine because, in its own way and as per jurnayl niravanay, Pakistan has increased sending in insurgents...that should remind indians of the separatists in donbas and crimea. that should worry the indians that if Russia succeeds in snatching away and absorbing the donbas region just as it did with crimea, what will india do when Pakistan decides to send in forces into iiok in the name of securing the rights of the Kashmiris people and their land in light of the fact that iiok/ladhak is a region that has the masses uprising against india with indian forces overstretched, demoralized and fatigues with a ruthless China breathing down their necks! after all, they have already lost 1100sqkm of iiok to China...whats next up for them to loose?

 

[Vapnope]

If india can make it short with international and local support it will do it just like 1971


Let me give you example
Tomorrpw PMLN takes over, maryum wants to stay in power she purges generals and fills army with loyalist like she did in punjab beucarcy. To get international support she denuclearize pakistan

Pakistan develops rapidly and she gets richer(case study haseena wajod, as this will indeed be rewarded in the form of investment, incentives and economic development)

Now you will say people would never allow it..but people woild have never allowed this level of critism of army too but they eventually DID ALLOW IT

No fast forward 20 years..there is a problem in sindh or balochistan issue gets worse..india sends marines to gawadar and takes it over gives to a new country along with some coastal areas

In 20 years india if it grows by 8%, it will be much bigger army more like the chinese army or american army

Indians lost 1000s of troops to get bengaldesh annexation.

People use to laugh out that bengaldeshi will revolt in 1950s and in 15 yeara thats exactly what happened

Zia, do you take Pakistan army as some school kid who would do nothing when someone (Maryam) tries to denuclearize Pakistan?

Also i find it hilarious that Punjabis who have no history of picking up arms against the state of Pakistan are suddenly being considered the greatest threat to Pakistan only because they have started to respect their culture and language?

I find it ridiculous that all these years non Punjabis always pointed out that army is full of Punjabis and now suddenly Punjabis are the threat !

 

[PakSarZameen47]

Zia, do you take Pakistan army as some school kid who would do nothing when someone (Maryam) tries to denuclearize Pakistan?

Also i find it hilarious that Punjabis who have no history of picking up arms against the state of Pakistan are suddenly being considered the greatest threat to Pakistan only because they have started to respect their culture and language?

I find it ridiculous that all these years non Punjabis always pointed out that army is full of Punjabis and now suddenly Punjabis are the threat !

The day we put Pakistan above tribe, ethnicity, sect, language will be the day Pak will start to prosper

 

[lightoftruth]

IF india could, they would have ALREADY done so by now. But the reality is that india is too weak, powerless, backward and scared to try to confront Pakistan.

Right .....
Since Pakistan is strong,powerful, forward and brave why hasn't is attacked India ?

Given up on your kashmiri brothers ?

Or your generals know the reality better than you trolls.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Right .....
Since Pakistan is strong,powerful, forward and brave why hasn't is attacked India ?

Given up on your kashmiri brothers ?

Or your generals know the reality better than you trolls.

Okay, let's get this straight here. Are you seriously insinuating that india who is MORE than 7× bigger than Pakistan and has the full backing of the West and Russia, still can't take on Pakistan?.................

Pakistan gas domain over 35% of Kashmir, China 20% and india occupies 45% of Kashmir...........Great going by Pakistan considering india is MORE than 7x bigger than Pakistan and has the full backing of the West and Russia........................."Given up" on Kashmiris? Patience is a Virtue.......... .........

 

[ziaulislam]

Zia, do you take Pakistan army as some school kid who would do nothing when someone (Maryam) tries to denuclearize Pakistan?

Also i find it hilarious that Punjabis who have no history of picking up arms against the state of Pakistan are suddenly being considered the greatest threat to Pakistan only because they have started to respect their culture and language?

I find it ridiculous that all these years non Punjabis always pointed out that army is full of Punjabis and now suddenly Punjabis are the threat !

Smallest possibility of the greatest threat is considered the greatest threat

So basically a populaist leader who has unquestionable support in central punjab calling for establishment neck day and night is now laughable..

Reminds me how ayub would laugh at mujeeb ur rehman threat stating its impossible that whole of bengal(which had larger populus then entire west pakistan) would revolut

Any history reader would see the similarity

Same thing in 1960s would lead you to be banished(benazir), hung(bhutto) or jailed(ANP leader/party banned)

Times have indeed changed

5% of anti establisent sentiment in punjab is a bigger threat then 50% anti establishment sentiment in balochistan

People dont understand this simple fact

 

[Vapnope]

populaist leader who has unquestionable support in central punjab calling for establishment neck day and night is now laughable

Punjab selected Bhutto,
Punjab selected Nawaz,
Punjab has a Baluch CM,
Punjab even gave vote to PPP in 2008,
Punjab selected PTI,
I am not sure how PMLN has unquestionable support in Punjab.

Pakistan is bread and butter of PMLN, despite their idiocy they know this simple fact.

Pakistan remains a collective nation of different nations and everyone has a right to be nationalist under the constitution. The threat from Punjab will only be there if Punjabi nationalists would ask for a separate country.

 

[ziaulislam]

Punjab selected Bhutto,
Punjab selected Nawaz,
Punjab has a Baluch CM,
Punjab even gave vote to PPP in 2008,
Punjab selected PTI,
I am not sure how PMLN has unquestionable support in Punjab.

Pakistan is bread and butter of PMLN, despite their idiocy they know this simple fact.

Pakistan remains a collective nation of different nations and everyone has a right to be nationalist under the constitution. The threat from Punjab will only be there if Punjabi nationalists would ask for a separate country.

Ok
So PMLN "vote ko izzat do" has no support
Zardari is the one who saw greater punjab idealogy of PMLN years ago. I credit him for that