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What keeps India united?

Many freedom fighters who moved beyond their individual cultural,regional,lingual,religious differences and build the narrative for independence of accepting larger and more significant identity of being an Indian, later First government after independence,specially the first home minister integrated many princely states into the union ,they build the foundations ,very elaborate constitution,independent judiciary which only grew with time.
 
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Some facts here guys. The ICS or the Indian Civil Service had about 1,000 English running all of India and that would include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma ( Myanmar ) including enclaves in Yeman etc. Please refer to map below.

Brit_IndianEmpireReligions3.jpg


The only part of Raj that gave the British any real problems was the very same area giving Pakistan today the problems - the FATA.

Federally Administered Tribal Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The British Indian Army and the component made of British would have been even smaller had that not been the case.

All we have had since 1947 is in both India and Pakistan "brown sahibs" taking the very seats occupied by "white sahibs" running both countries using exactly the same structures like Pakistan using British era Frontier or Punjab regiments to stabilze FATA exactly like the British were doing before 1947.

In India the same seats occupied by "brown sahibs" are using the same institutions including British era Sikh regiments to run the country. The only novelty is the "brown sahib" and something called "democracy".

For the sake of brevity "if 1,000 English could unite India" what is the big deal here if "brown sahib's just continue it"?
No offence mate..if that is the case why didn't you people keep Pakistan united inspite of having same religion..you may come up with hundred reasons but you must realise what a herculean task to keep diverse groups of people united unless people are willing to.

Britishers ruled India ..not many Indians welcomed them just as they didn't welcome Muslims...the concept of India is older than the country of India..it is this inherent feeling that keeps India united I feel.(caste system has its role too)
 
No offence mate..if that is the case why didn't you people keep Pakistan united inspite of having same religion..you may come up with hundred reasons but you must realise what a herculean task to keep diverse groups of people united unless people are willing to.

Britishers ruled India ..not many Indians welcomed them just as they didn't welcome Muslims...the concept of India is older than the country of India..it is this inherent feeling that keeps India united I feel.(caste system has its role too)

Geography. Ever looked at map of Pakistan and Bangladesh? They are 1,200 miles in straight line. This is only theoretical because this 1,200 went over hostile India. The de fact route was by sea almost 3,500 miles distant. Throw the geography, the war with India and there was no hope. Failure was written in the DNA of the situation. If you want open another thread I will go into more details. Even USA would have struggled like it did just around the corner from East Bengal in Vietnam. Btw East Bengal is closer to Vietnam than Pakistan.

Bottom line I might be using brevity here but "1,000 white sahibs ran the Raj" conquered, built and ran the Raj for 200 years. If they came back today the present "brown sahibs" in your country or mine would be embarrased.
 
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The Fear and Possbility of again living under the people of Pakistan.
 
Nobody can keep a country united unless people identify themselves with it.

Well we have contrary to that. The British managed for 200 years ...

* Let us see if the present Brown Sahibs having managed 70 years can clock 200 years that is in another 130 years? Our great, great, grandchildren can witness that. Until then let us relax and not blow our trumpets like foools .....

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Size, extremely fractured along horizontal and vertical lines or diversity. A proclivity on part of the major part of the population to sheepishly accept overlordship.

These factors were used to keep the same population "united" by the British for nearly 200 years. Prior to that the same factors were used by Moghuls to keep the same population "united". So there is a history and phenomenon behind this going 400 years back that was exploited by foreign invaders to keep such huge mass of population "united" under one rule.

As one colonial British official observed" There is so few of us ruling so many that if the Indian's all agreed to spit at one moment we ( British ) would be flushed into the sea".

In the last 70 years ruling India has gotten easy as the diversity that the British had to put up with is less. The rulers are now Indian, the two main groups who historically could pose threat are Sikhs and Marattas but after some problems both have been co opted by the ruling class.

Also the ruling class has been successful in creating a mythical "Indian" history and identity. So given history thee is nothing remarkable about 70 years being "united".

I suspect I man going read lots of fancy and elaborate reasons but like I said even the foreign invaders like British managed to clock 200 years.

There should have been far up antagonism against foreign imposed "unity" but despite that it lasted over two centuries.

If they could do that it should be a doddle for indigenous rulers or "brown sahibs".

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Some facts here guys. The ICS or the Indian Civil Service had about 1,000 English running all of India and that would include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma ( Myanmar ) including enclaves in Yeman etc. Please refer to map below.


Brit_IndianEmpireReligions3.jpg



The only part of Raj that gave the British any real problems was the very same area giving Pakistan today the problems - the FATA.

Federally Administered Tribal Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The British Indian Army and the component made of British would have been even smaller had that not been the case.

All we have had since 1947 is in both India and Pakistan "brown sahibs" taking the very seats occupied by "white sahibs" running both countries using exactly the same structures like Pakistan using British era Frontier or Punjab regiments to stabilze FATA exactly like the British were doing before 1947.

In India the same seats occupied by "brown sahibs" are using the same institutions including British era Sikh regiments to run the country. The only novelty is the "brown sahib" and something called "democracy".

For the sake of brevity "if 1,000 English could unite India" what is the big deal here if "brown sahib's just continue it"?

 
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It's the constitution.. A constitution with a concrete Central authority and powers to the pheriphery

Ultra jingoists will curse and belittle the likes of Nehru, Ambedkaar and Gandhi it's architects, But it's the constitution that holds what the British made entity called India
 
The lessons learnt from remaining under Britain rule and passage of those lessons to next generation is what keeps India united despite many challenges it faced
 
Some facts here guys. The ICS or the Indian Civil Service had about 1,000 English running all of India and that would include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma ( Myanmar ) including enclaves in Yeman etc. Please refer to map below.

Brit_IndianEmpireReligions3.jpg


The only part of Raj that gave the British any real problems was the very same area giving Pakistan today the problems - the FATA.

Federally Administered Tribal Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The British Indian Army and the component made of British would have been even smaller had that not been the case.

All we have had since 1947 is in both India and Pakistan "brown sahibs" taking the very seats occupied by "white sahibs" running both countries using exactly the same structures like Pakistan using British era Frontier or Punjab regiments to stabilze FATA exactly like the British were doing before 1947.

In India the same seats occupied by "brown sahibs" are using the same institutions including British era Sikh regiments to run the country. The only novelty is the "brown sahib" and something called "democracy".

For the sake of brevity "if 1,000 English could unite India" what is the big deal here if "brown sahib's just continue it"?


Quoted for truth ....
 
Hinduism is not uniform across the country...moreover we don't identify ourselves with religion.
but still thats only binding force.....otherwise some think gandhi Hero, soem Boss, some think N.R godsay etc...
so not many things are common but religion.. even not language and culture...
 
It's the constitution.. A constitution with a concrete Central authority and powers to the pheriphery

Ultra jingoists will curse and belittle the likes of Nehru, Ambedkaar and Gandhi it's architects, But it's the constitution that holds what the British made entity called India
I reiterate.. You cant hold people by force..constitution cant help,much in that case...I think you are a Sri Lankan and you know very well about the civil war that went on for many years in your country.
I doubt if Tamils had wiped off their desire from their hearts.
 
but still thats only binding force.....otherwise some think gandhi Hero, soem Boss, some think N.R godsay etc...
so not many things are common but religion.. even not language and culture...
Maybe to an extent.
 
There was once fb page of "United states of sub continent" name might be wrong
however, the idea was a confederation of 1.6 billion people with very strong army and rich in resources etc.. and of course cricket :P :) ....
i bet theer is a youtube video which depicts a undivided india with possible assumption of division. That was good and hilarious...
 

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