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WHAT IT TAKES technly, TO MAKE a J-11b (a modifyied FLANKER), TO TAKE ON MKI!

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So after a decade they might come close to MKK and MKI, but can they equalise this?

- airframes will be strengthened and refurbished
- navigation-and-attack system will be upgraded in order to arm the aircraft with the BrahMos supersonic air-launched cruise missile for both maritime strike and ground attack
- modifying their airframes to make them stealthy (internal weapon stations)
- converting the existing Bars into an active phased-array radar
- enhancing the situational awareness by incorporating active electronically scanned transmit/receive arrays on the aircrafts wings
- beefing up the defensive-aids suite by installing a combined radar/laser warning system and a missile approach warning system
- integrating the new Klimov S117 4++ engine, that incorporates 5. gen techs and already proved 3D TVC and supercruise capability
- integrating 5. gen missiles that will be designed for Pak Fa and will be available for MKI too

I think the gap of upg MKI and J11B will be the as big as it is between the actual MKI and J11.

Here are some links about some of these techs:

Assessing the Tikhomirov NIIP L-Band Active Electronically Steered Array

RusArmy.com :: ‘Smart Skin’ concept for Su-30MKI \ Âîçìîæíûé îòâåò íà F-15SE

Here you can find an article about the new missiles (post#164):

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/25061-indo-russian-pak-fa-fgfa-11.html


China could do it, but it will again take years! The Russian have a clear edge, because they made that aircraft and all it's techs and China only trys to copy them.

Dear, sir !
wake up, here is something , what & when chiina can can do !:lol:

Former Boeing engineer convicted of spying for China
Story Highlights
Dongfan Chung, 73, convicted of economic espionage;
acting as agent of china

Accused of stealing restricted technology, Boeing trade secrets

Technology included information on space shuttle; Delta IV rocket

Chung is a native of China who is a naturalized United States citizen
July 16, 2009 -- Updated 2100 GMT (0500 HKT)


LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- A former engineer for Rockwell International and Boeing was convicted Thursday of economic espionage and acting as an agent of China, authorities said.

A Delta IV rocket launches on March 10, 2003 at Cape Canaveral, Florida.

Dongfan "Greg" Chung, 73, was accused of stealing restricted technology and Boeing trade secrets, including information related to the space shuttle program and the Delta IV rocket.

U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney convicted him on charges of conspiracy to commit economic espionage; six counts of economic espionage to benefit a foreign country; one count of acting as an agent of the People's Republic of China; and one count of making false statements to the FBI, according to a statement from federal prosecutors.

Carney presided over Chung's three-week bench trial last month. In a bench trial, there is no jury and the judge decides whether to convict a defendant after hearing testimony. Chung was free on bond after his arrest by FBI agents and NASA investigators in February 2008. He was taken into custody after Carney's ruling was read.

Chung, a native of China who is a naturalized United States citizen, was employed by Rockwell International from 1973 until Boeing acquired its defense and space unit in 1996, and by Boeing thereafter. He retired from Boeing in 2002, but returned as a contractor, a position he held until September 2006, prosecutors said.

Chung held a "secret" security clearance, authorities said.

"For years, Mr. Chung stole critical trade secrets from Boeing relating to the space shuttle and the Delta IV rocket -- all for the benefit of the government of China," said David Kris, assistant attorney general for national security, in the prosecutors' statement. "Today's verdict should serve as a warning to others willing to compromise America's economic and national security to assist foreign governments."

The case against Chung resulted from an investigation into another engineer who obtained information for China. That engineer, Chi Mak, and several of his relatives were convicted of providing defense articles to the PRC, authorities said. Mak was sentenced to more than 24 years in prison last year.

According to evidence presented at trial, individuals in the Chinese aviation industry began sending tasks to Chung via letter as early as 1979, federal prosecutors said. Over the years, the letters directed Chung to collect data related to the space shuttle and various military and civilian aircraft. In his letters back to China, Chung referenced materials he had already sent, including 24 manuals relating to the B-1 bomber, which Rockwell had forbidden for distribution outside the company and federal agencies.

In addition, between 1985 and 2003, Chung traveled to China several times and met with government officials. His contacts in China discussed these trips in letters and recommended methods of passing information, authorities said.

In a 2006 search of Chung's home, FBI and NASA agents found more than 250,000 pages of documents from Boeing, Rockwell and other defense contractors in the house and in its crawl space, prosecutors said. They included "scores of binders containing decades' worth of stress analysis reports, test results and design information for the space shuttle."

Each economic espionage charge carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison and a $500,000 fine, authorities said. The charge of acting as an agent for a foreign government carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. The charges of conspiracy to commit economic espionage and making false statements to federal investigators each carry a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Chung is set for sentencing November 9. ;):tup::china:

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just consider, this then think around!
Everything is posible in LOVE & IN WAR!:cheers:
PLZ , DONT UNDERESTIMATE china's , MILITRY EXPERINCES!
think positive, its not a "GOLDEN EGG" , i mean SU-30MKI, it can be countered !
your IAF brass isnt fool, thats why they are looking for "HORNET":azn:
 
guys ACTUALLY the report of MKI having internal bays is PURE gas its been reported by a reporter who does not even command decent respect like shiv aroor (not that aroor is great) ....but id be really happy when there is certain official confirmation of this coz ive checked the same with some other knowledgeable people ....even if a flanker series is designed that way itll be manufactured as a new aircraft and WONT BE AVAILABLE AS AN UPGRADE FOR EXISTING AIRCRAFT.....if russia is able to pull it off countries like vietnam , malaysia ...etc current flanker operators who are UNABLE to get true 5 gen platforms will go for those birds ....FEEL FREE TO COMMENT
 
Law enforcement struggles to combat Chinese spying

Updated 7/23/2007 10:39 PM

By David J. Lynch, USA TODAY
Seated at his dining room table on his final Sunday as a free man, engineer Chi Mak was unaware that FBI agents were watching and listening. For almost two hours, as his wife, Rebecca, stood behind him and government sleuths looked on, Mak copied onto compact disks technical information that he had taken from his office at Power Paragon, a California defense contractor. At 11:13 a.m., when Mak climbed into his brown 1988 Oldsmobile sedan to take the disks to the nearby home of his brother, Tai, the G-men tailed him.

STORY: FBI goes on offensive against China's tech spies

Five days later, as neighbors were preparing for bed, local police and FBI agents swarmed Chi Mak's single-story wood-frame house in a Los Angeles suburb, arresting him and his wife. Another team of agents pulled Tai Mak and his wife, Fuk Li, out of a security line at Los Angeles International Airport, 25 miles to the west, where they were waiting to board a midnight flight to China. Hidden in their luggage was a disk containing encrypted copies of the unclassified U.S. Navy research Chi Mak had given his brother.

The government, which detailed its surveillance of the Mak family in court documents, would eventually claim the material he disclosed would enable an enemy to track and kill American sailors.

The Oct. 28, 2005, arrests capped a 20-month probe that illuminated the difficulty of combating what government officials say is an aggressive Chinese espionage campaign that vacuums up advanced U.S. technology secrets from defense and civilian companies alike.

"The Chinese are putting on a full-court press in this area. … They are trying to flatten out the world as fast as possible," says Joel Brenner, national counterintelligence executive. "One of the ways they accelerate that process is economic espionage. If you can steal something rather than figure it out yourself, you save years. You gain an advantage."

Brenner, who directs the United States' counterspy efforts in the office of the director of national intelligence, says China's technology thieving is "the norm" among industrial nations. But if China is not unique, it does stand out — along with Russia, Cuba and Iran — as among the most active nations, Brenner says.

Beijing's goals aren't limited to traditional national security interests. The world's fastest-growing economy operates a shadowy technology bazaar where individuals offering trade secrets find a ready buyer. About one-third of all economic espionage investigations are linked to Chinese government agencies, research institutes or businesses, according to Bruce Carlson of the FBI's counterintelligence division, who leads the bureau's efforts to combat Chinese spying. Since 2001, the number of FBI investigations of suspected Chinese economic espionage cases increased 12%. "The basis for the whole program is money. People (in the USA) are looking to make a buck. China has money to spend," says Carlson.

China's technology-targeting differs from classic Cold War-era spying, which pitted American intelligence agents against their KGB counterparts. Along with using intelligence professionals, China seeks to capitalize on some of the thousands of Chinese and Chinese-American engineers, researchers, scientists and students who fill key positions in U.S. industry and academia, say current and former U.S. counterintelligence officials.

"This is not some 'yellow peril' witch hunt. … The counterintelligence environment in terms of China right now is just white-hot," says James Mulvenon, director of the Center for Intelligence Research and Analysis, a Washington, D.C., think tank that advises U.S. intelligence agencies.

Long-running spy plot

In some cases, individuals stealing trade secrets execute Beijing's orders. That's what the Justice Department says occurred with Chi Mak, 66, who was born in Guangzhou, was educated in Shanghai and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1985. He obtained a "secret"-level security clearance in 1996.

FBI agents found four Chinese-language "tasking lists" in Mak's trash, which they say itemized specific technologies that China covets, such as "aircraft carrier electronic systems" and "submarine propulsion technology." One of the lists also directed Mak, a senior engineer working on power systems for Navy submarines, to join professional associations and attend advanced research seminars.:tup::china:

The Justice Department presented other evidence that alleged Chinese government involvement. An FBI wiretap, for example, heard Tai Mak, 57, nine days before he was arrested, call a man in Guangzhou and identify himself as being from "Red Flower of North America."

On the other end of the line was Pu Pei Liang, a researcher at Zhongshan University's Chinese Center for Asia Pacific Studies, which the prosecution said performs "operational research" for China's People's Liberation Army. Chinese intelligence operations routinely use the names of flowers, such as "winter chrysanthemum" and "autumn orchid," prosecutors said.

Especially damaging to Mak were four letters from another Chinese official, Gu Weihao, a relative of his wife's and a senior engineer at the Ministry of Aviation Industry. Written in the late 1980s, three of the letters were discovered in Mak's home; the fourth was found in the home of Greg Chung, an engineer for Boeing (BA).

In a May 2, 1987, letter, Gu introduces Mak to Chung and discusses the latter's upcoming trip to China: "You can discuss the time and route of your trip to China with Mr. Mak in person. … You may use 'traveling to Hong Kong' or 'visiting relatives in China' as reasons for traveling abroad. … Normally, if you have any information, you can also pass it on to me through Mr. Mak. This channel is much safer than the others."

Assistant U.S. Attorney Greg Staples argued that documents found in Mak's home dealing with the F-16 fighter and NASA's space shuttle were from programs that Chung had worked on at Boeing.;) There is an active grand jury investigation concerning Chung, according to a recent prosecution court filing.

Last month, after a six-week trial, a federal jury convicted Mak — who denied spying and insisted the technical material at issue was publicly available — of conspiracy, two counts of attempting to violate export control laws and failing to register as a foreign agent. The convictions, which carry a potential prison term of up to 45 years, followed guilty pleas by the four other relatives involved in what prosecutors say was a long-running spy plot.

Some driven by greed

Beijing often capitalizes on what might be called espionage entrepreneurs: engineers or executives who exploit their positions in U.S. companies to pilfer corporate data they know will be welcomed in a China that is eager to catch up with the West. "In the vast majority of cases, it's the almighty dollar," says Mulvenon. "It's just pure greed."

Next month in San Jose, Calif., two men who pleaded guilty in December to two counts each of economic espionage for stealing trade secrets from Sun Microsystems (SUNW) and semiconductor maker Transmeta (TMTA) are scheduled to be sentenced in U.S. District Court. They each face up to 30 years in jail.

Fei Ye and Ming Zhong, former co-workers at Transmeta, based in Santa Clara, Calif., admitted to stealing secrets to produce computer chips for a firm they had established in Hangzhou, about 100 miles southwest of Shanghai. Theirs were the first convictions under the 1996 Economic Espionage Act, which made the theft of trade secrets a federal crime.

Their new company, called Supervision, expected funding from the Hangzhou municipal government and the provincial government of Zhejiang province, renowned as China's capitalist heartland. The men were working with a professor at Zhejiang University who planned to help them secure additional funding from a national technology research program, according to their plea agreements.

Supervision would "raise China's ability to develop superintegrated circuit design and form a powerful capability to compete with worldwide leaders' core development technology and products in the field of integrated circuit design," according to a corporate charter found at Ye's home.

Documents discovered after the men were arrested at San Francisco International Airport on Nov. 23, 2001, demonstrate that the Supervision project was highly regarded by Chinese officials. "The project will be extremely useful to the development of China's integrated circuit industry," said a Chinese panel of experts, which recommended that "every level of government offer their support toward the implementation of this project."

Kyle Waldinger, the assistant U.S. Attorney handling the case, declined to comment, as did attorneys for the two men. Much of the case record remains under court-ordered seal. Several paragraphs in the men's plea agreements, which have been made public, were blacked out for security reasons.

Unlike the Transmeta example, the Mak case illustrates the difficulties the government has had prosecuting alleged Chinese spies. In 1999, for example, Wen Ho Lee, a Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist, was arrested and accused of stealing nuclear warhead design secrets for China. After he was held in solitary confinement for 278 days, the government agreed to drop 58 of the 59 counts in the indictment. Lee pleaded guilty to one felony count of mishandling classified data and was released after the judge in the case apologized, saying of government officials, "They have embarrassed our entire nation and each of us who is a citizen of it."

The road to Mak's conviction also was anything but smooth. The government initially claimed he had purloined "classified" documents, then conceded the material was not classified, but rather was "sensitive" and barred from export. Likewise, though an FBI affidavit described the Maks as "foreign intelligence operatives," they were never charged with espionage.

"It doesn't appear to me he was guilty of the sensational charges they leaked initially. They ended up with (a conviction for being) a foreign agent. It's a far cry from espionage," says retired FBI agent I.C. Smith, a defense witness and veteran of several high-profile investigations of alleged Chinese spies.

The night of his arrest, Mak told agents at the FBI's Westwood office in a videotaped interrogation that he had given the disks to his brother to use in buying technical books for him in Hong Kong.

Two days later, under questioning by agents from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) at the Santa Ana Jail, Mak suddenly admitted to passing information to China since 1983, including on "power distribution technology" for the Navy's Aegis destroyers, according to prosecutors.

The NCIS agents, however, did not make an audio or video record of that interrogation, and Mak later denied that he had confessed.

Intensive surveillance

The FBI investigation, which began in February 2004, featured intensive government surveillance of Mak and his relatives. Along with eavesdropping on 20,000 telephone calls and intercepting his e-mails, FBI agents repeatedly went through Mak's trash and, on at least two occasions in late 2004, sneaked into his house while it was unoccupied looking for evidence that their quarry was a Chinese spy, court filings show. Just before his arrest, agents installed a closed-circuit camera in his dining room.

Post-arrest searches of Mak's home turned up more than 900 documents relating to various military programs, including proprietary material from General Dynamics' (GD) Electric Boat, Raytheon (RTN) and Northrop Grumman's (NOC) Ingalls shipbuilding division. But none of it was classified, beyond the "NOFORN" designation barring distribution to foreigners.

To the FBI, the lack of classified material was evidence of cunning. "He went right up to that line of classified information, and he stopped there," says the FBI's Carlson. "He took everything else he could get his hands on. They don't need secret documents (to) get a very good picture of our advanced military hardware."

The defense insisted that the material, which had been presented at public conferences of the American Society of Naval Engineers to audiences including foreigners, was innocuous and was used by Mak while working at home.

"He gave absolutely nothing to the Chinese. There's no way anyone would gain from this," said attorney Ronald Kaye.

Mak's work centered on the Quiet Electric Drive, a Navy program intended to outfit submarines with propulsion systems that would be quieter and thus harder to detect. His disclosures, a Navy official testified, would save the Chinese "years of wasted research."

But the absence of classified material meant that the case turned on complex questions of export control law. The U.S. Attorney initially argued that even material in the public domain could not be transferred to China because of the U.S. arms embargo imposed after the 1989 shootings of pro-democracy protestors in Tiananmen Square.

That claim drew harsh criticism from some trade lawyers, who said it implied that even universities providing Chinese students basic engineering educations or Boeing's airplane sales to Chinese airlines would breach export law, according to Clif Burns, a partner at Powell Goldstein in Washington, D.C., and an adjunct professor of law at the Georgetown University Law Center.

"The arguments were preposterously dumb. They didn't indicate even minimal efforts to investigate the legal history," says Burns.

By the time the case went to the jury, the government had abandoned that position and regrouped around the claim that since Mak had not received permission from his employer's export coordinator to present the papers in public, their disclosure to the Chinese was illegal.

The defense argued that Mak had received approval from his boss, the co-author of one of thepapers.

The jury sided with prosecutors and found that Mak, acting as a foreign agent, had engaged in a conspiracy to funnel technical information to the Chinese.

Kaye says the jury was "frightened" by Navy testimony about China's naval buildup. On June 11, arguing that prosecutors had wildly overstated the evidence and intimidated a key defense witness from testifying, Kaye sought a new trial.

Where they are now

Meanwhile, Mak, once a respected engineer, now is prisoner 29252-112 in Los Angeles' Metropolitan Detention Center. His wife, Rebecca, 63, who pleaded guilty last month to failing to register as a foreign agent, is back at the couple's Downey, Calif., home, wearing a monitoring device on her ankle and practicing the Chinese tai chi exercise routine in her yard. She is expected to be sentenced to three years in federal prison on Oct. 29.

Tai Mak, who pleaded guilty to conspiring to export defense articles, faces a maximum jail term of 10 years when he is sentenced Oct. 1.

His wife, Fuk Li, 49, is expected to receive probation for aiding and abetting the illegal exports.

Their son, Yui Mak, 27, who helped encrypt the disks his parents were carrying in their luggage, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting and is expected to be placed on probation.

At 9:30 a.m. Aug. 1, Judge Cormac Carney will hear Mak's motion for a new trial.

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guys ACTUALLY the report of MKI having internal bays is PURE gas its been reported by a reporter who does not even command decent respect like shiv aroor (not that aroor is great) ....but id be really happy when there is certain official confirmation of this coz ive checked the same with some other knowledgeable people ....even if a flanker series is designed that way itll be manufactured as a new aircraft and WONT BE AVAILABLE AS AN UPGRADE FOR EXISTING AIRCRAFT.....if russia is able to pull it off countries like vietnam , malaysia ...etc current flanker operators who are UNABLE to get true 5 gen platforms will go for those birds ....FEEL FREE TO COMMENT

with loads of money, & RUSSIAN mafia GETTIN HOLD OF THE THINGS, everything is posible, man!
just read the post , below i had posted , its out of topic but, its for those , who thinks that , nothing can be done!:smokin:

till now, they arrent giving the full details of thier J-11bs , buut belive me in comming 5 years or so, it could be J-11Bs could be a , superior fighter jet!
thn ,, what?

i guss, the "TOP brass" in IAF knows a lot more, than us, thats why they arre looking for"F-18s"?
 
Su-30MKI to go stealthy

After the F-15 Silent eagle it’s time for Su-30MKI to disappear out of the radar. There have been reports that Russia’s UAC (United Aircraft Corporation) and India’s HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) are developing the new Su-30MKI.

By 2014, UAC together with HAL will begin upgrading the first 100 IAF Su-30MKIs by modifying their airframes to make them stealthy, converting the existing ‘Bars’ into an active phased-array radar, enhancing the situational awareness by incorporating active electronically scanned transmit/receive arrays on the aircraft’s wings and pumping up the defensive-aids suite by installing a combined radar/laser warning system and a missile approach warning system.

Su-30MKI to go stealthy Defence Aviation

if f15 eagle can have some degree of stealth it is also possible for su 30MKI
:cheers:


nice ... HAL following the footprints of Boeing, which after losing its mind (due to loss of JSF contract) decided to make F15 stealth ... here is a quote from F15 Silent Eagle report.

<quote>
The weapons-carrying fuel tanks, which are affixed to the aircraft with two bolts, and can be removed within about 2.5 hours. Reinstalling the original fuel tanks restores the F-15 to its nonstealthy configuration, which is capable of hauling more and larger weapons, including anti-ship missiles.

The Silent Eagle prototype is based on F-15E1, the program's flight test aircraft. To date, it has been outfitted with the conformal tanks and the canted tails, which are for demonstration only and not structurally integrated. The actual canted tails would be added later if a customer requested them. Stealth coatings and engine intake blockers have not been added.
</quote>
source : Boeing Unveils New Stealthy F-15 | AVIATION WEEK

Regards,
Sapper
 
nice ... HAL following the footprints of Boeing, which after losing its mind (due to loss of JSF contract) decided to make F15 stealth ... here is a quote from F15 Silent Eagle report.

<quote>
The weapons-carrying fuel tanks, which are affixed to the aircraft with two bolts, and can be removed within about 2.5 hours. Reinstalling the original fuel tanks restores the F-15 to its nonstealthy configuration, which is capable of hauling more and larger weapons, including anti-ship missiles.

The Silent Eagle prototype is based on F-15E1, the program's flight test aircraft. To date, it has been outfitted with the conformal tanks and the canted tails, which are for demonstration only and not structurally integrated. The actual canted tails would be added later if a customer requested them. Stealth coatings and engine intake blockers have not been added.
</quote>
source : Boeing Unveils New Stealthy F-15 | AVIATION WEEK

Regards,
Sapper

It is not the matter of contract losing it is taking a successful fighter jet and making it stealthier. Stealth concept of russia is different from that of boeing be ready to see surprises :cheers:
 
It is not the matter of contract losing it is taking a successful fighter jet and making it stealthier. Stealth concept of russia is different from that of boeing be ready to see surprises :cheers:

yes ... russian stealth concept is different from boeing ... boeing's stealth exists for one
 
Analysis: China imitates Su-27SK


by Andrei Chang
Hong Kong (UPI) Feb 25, 2008

Based on the design of the Russian Sukhoi Su-27SK fighter, China has come up with its own domestic version, the J-11B multi-function fighter. Three J-11B prototypes have been manufactured since 2006. After their factory flight tests, they have been evaluated by the People's Liberation Army Air Force 1st Fighter Division, based in Anshan in China's northeast Liaoning province.
A Chinese military industry source has confirmed that pre-production of the fighters will begin this year. "We will not need to assemble more Su-27SKs, because it is old technology given from Russia," the source said.

The J-11B has undergone drastic changes from the original Russian design. A source from the Chinese aerospace industry says that except for the Russian-made engines, 90 percent of the major subsystems fitted on the J-11B, including the radar and optical electronic systems, are made by China. The Chinese aviation company AVIC 1 has already completed testing the 1474 serial radar system to be deployed in the J-11B. The fighter's weapons will also integrate indigenous systems.

A Chinese pilot with more than 20 years of flight experience expressed his high opinion of the Su-27 fighter, describing it as "very easy to fly."

However, as the source from the Chinese military industry points out, some of the parts used on the Su-27SK have a very short lifespan, which has led to a high rate of technical accidents. For instance, frequent problems with the fighter's infrared search and track system have restricted its use in the regular training of combat forces.

To investigate this issue, the author paid a special visit to the Ural Optical and Mechanical Complex in Ekaterinburg, Russia. A Russian source revealed that the company had signed two contracts with a Chinese company to supply parts for an updated IRST system, the OLS-31E. Execution of the contract, valued at $1 million, began in 2007.

Research and development of the China-made IRST system to be fitted on the J-11B fighters is already completed. The physical appearance of this new IRST is very close to the original Russian OLS-31E, making it appear to be an imitation edition of the Russian system with some upgrades. In fact, the overall performance of the J-11B is now on a par with the Russian-edition Su-27SMK.
The J-11B's fire control radar system uses mechanical scanning, integrates more functions and features a modular design. The fighter also features substantial changes in the fire control system and the cockpit so the J-11B will be able to fire China's indigenous PL-12 air-to-air missiles and a whole series of other precision-guided weapons. The cockpit has three large color multifunctional displays and two small color multifunctional displays.

In recent years, China's pace of development in airborne equipment has been very fast. The design of its J-10B cockpit has been quite precocious; the rear cockpit seems to have four multifunctional color displays and two small multifunctional displays.

In addition, the J-11B will be fitted with China's indigenous strapdown inertial navigation system, 3-axix data system, power supply system, emergency power unit, brake system, hydraulic system, fuel system, environment control system and molecular sieve oxygen generation systems.
The fact that China is producing a large proportion of the J-11B parts domestically indicates that its demand for parts imported from Russia will decline dramatically during the second phase of the fighter's production. Also, some of the subsystems and equipment are compatible with those used in the J-10A and J-10B fighters.
It is expected that the J-11B's flight control system will also be manufactured in China. This was the leading reason why Russia could not determine whether China would continue to produce Su-27SK fighters in the next phase. In reality, the joint contract between Russia and China for the Su-27SK/J-11 development has now been virtually abandoned by the Chinese side without any consultation with Russia.:azn::wave:
(Andrei Chang is editor in chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto.)
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Indian air force a third of China's: air force chief

India has begun trials of the world's leading fighter jets as it prepares to place an order for 126 planes in a contract worth 12 billion dollars.
by Staff Writers
New Delhi (AFP) Sept 23, 2009
India's air force is just a third the size of rival China's and far short of the aircraft required to meet the security challenges it faces, the country's air force chief said Wednesday.
"Our present aircraft strength is inadequate. Aircraft strength is one third that of China," said Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik was quoted as saying by the CNN-IBN website Wednesday.

"The government of India is doing a lot to augment air force capability," he said in a speech in Gandhinagar, capital of India's western Gujarat state.

The comments come against the backdrop of media reports about Chinese army and air "incursions" into India in the past several weeks that have been denied by both New Delhi and Beijing.

The Asian giants and economic rivals have yet to agree on their more than 4,000 kilometre (2,480 mile) border, the dispute over which dates back to a brief but bitter conflict in 1962 that exposed India's military vulnerability.

India says China occupies 38,000 square kilometres (14,670 square miles) of its territory, while Beijing claims 90,000 square kilometres or the whole of the northeastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.

Naik said there were two ways to counter China's reported incursions.

"One way is to take up weapons and go to the border. The other way is to build systematic weapons capability to tackle the threat," he said.

Naik's remarks follow similar ones by former navy chief Sureesh Mehta, who last month said India could not compete with China on defence spending and warned Beijing was "creating formidable military capabilities".
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guys the link:Su-30MKI to go stealthy Defence Aviation

that Russia&#8217;s UAC (United Aircraft Corporation) and India&#8217;s HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) are developing the new Su-30MKI.

By 2014, UAC together with HAL will begin upgrading the first 100 IAF Su-30MKIs by modifying their airframes to make them stealthy, converting the existing &#8216;Bars&#8217; into an active phased-array radar, enhancing the situational awareness by incorporating active electronically scanned transmit/receive arrays on the aircraft&#8217;s wings and pumping up the defensive-aids suite by installing a combined radar/laser warning system and a missile approach warning system.

Please note that this article was edited because our reporter misinformed us on this news. Thanks to Dr. Pamela A. Menges founder of ARSI Space for helping us.


and the airframe modification part and the internal missile bay part is missing LOL guys start reading real news not some junk by this guy please read post #62...

some other comments on the article

Dr. Pamela Menges
As president of Aerospace Research Systems, Inc. and the lead scientist on this technology, I was appalled at the string of incorrect statements and misinformation in this article. This was brought to my attention by several sources and it is disconcerting that such information is considered
in anyway valid. In no publication or website have we published that out technology is being used by any air force. And by the way the ANM referred to is a nonphotonic quantum computer, not a smart skin. Smart skins have been used for nearly 30 years. This is a truly sad bit of work on the part of a web site that presents itself as an aviation information site.

so guys PRSUN K SENGUPTA is an idiot dont go by his words think practically
 
guys the link:Su-30MKI to go stealthy Defence Aviation

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and the airframe modification part and the internal missile bay part is missing LOL guys start reading real news not some junk by this guy please read post #62...

some other comments on the article



so guys PRSUN K SENGUPTA is an idiot dont go by his words think practically

man ... you really are a FAIR critic ... these days, its a RARE feat
 
It is not the matter of contract losing it is taking a successful fighter jet and making it stealthier. Stealth concept of russia is different from that of boeing be ready to see surprises :cheers:

we are talking about future enhancements in this thread are we?

:cheers:
 
Well you may call it as a first generation active stealth fighter.

no, the F117 is a passive stealth system, as are all current stealthy planes, no one has a active radar evasion system yet(cannnot manipulate radar sigs only scatter, absorb, reflect less)
 
no, the F117 is a passive stealth system, as are all current stealthy planes, no one has a active radar evasion system yet(cannnot manipulate radar sigs only scatter, absorb, reflect less)

By active i meant from prototype to actually in service.
 
we are talking about future enhancements in this thread are we?

:cheers:

thanks for the posting, its a quick reminder, folks !
this threads belongs to , only & only , achivements and future , upgradation of the , 2 most , closr cloned , featuers, su-30 MKI & j11BS , plz stick to them .:smokin:

thanks & have a good day!:cheers:
 
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