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Yet again, bragging about indian economic might and influence. Seriously, where do you get this daily feed of recorded lines? Your facts and figures prove another picture then what you guys keep talking about.

-India accounts for 40 % of the world’s poor (more than in the whole of Africa)

-Its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world.

-India ranks way down at 96 among 119 developing countries included in the Global Hunger Index (GHI).Ref: IFPRI Country Report on India.

-Around six out of 10 Indians live in the countryside, where abject poverty is widespread. 34.7 % of the Indian population lives with an income below $ 1 a day and 79.9 % below $ 2 a day. According to the India’s planning commission report 26.1 % of the population live below the poverty line. [World Bank's poverty line of $1 a day, but the Indian poverty line of Rs 360 a month, or 30 cents a day]

-According to CIA world fact book, the Current account balance of India is -10,360,000,000 (minus) while China is the wealthiest country in the world with $ 249,900,000,000 (Plus) . India listed as 152 and China as no.1 [CIA: The world fact book].Amnesty International (AI) 2008 report on issues within India

-The Human Development Report for 2007-08 released by the UNDP ranked India 128 out of 177 countries, working it out through measures of life expectancy, education and income. Malaysia ranked 63 and listed at under High Human Development category. The report found that India’s GDP per capita (purchasing power parity) is $3,452, far below Malaysia’s $10,882. China listed as 81. Read the statistics from UNDP website.

-According to the Indian census of 2001, the total population was 1.028 billion. Hindus numbered 827 million or 80.5 %. About 25 per cent (24 million) of those Hindus are belonging to Scheduled Castes and Tribes. About 40 per cent (400 million) are “Other Backward Castes”.

-89 percent of rural households do not own telephones; 52 percent do not have any domestic power connection. There are daily power cuts even in the nation’s capital. The average brownout in India is three hours per day during non-monsoon months, 17 hours daily during the monsoon. The average village is 2 kilometers away from an all-weather road, and 20 percent of rural habitations have partial or no access to a safe drinking-water supply. [Tarun Khanna, Yale Center for the Study of Globalization]

-India has over 35 per cent of the world’s total illiterate population. [UNESCO Education for All Report 2008] Only 66 per cent people are literate in India (76 per cent men and 54 per cent women)

-Japan has 4,000 universities for its 127 million people and the US has 3,650 universities for its 301 million, India has only 348 universities for its 1.2 billion people.

-Indian universities churn out three million graduates a year, only 15% of them are suitable employees for blue-chip companies. Only 1 million among them are IT professionals.


Should i post more? Please go and work for your country rather then wasting your energy here on these forums. Your economically powerful country badly needs you.

Ali .. i have a request..please read the post with both ur eyes open...

where exactly I bragged Indian Economic Might.. I asked a simple question .. why not Pakistan or Bangladesh .. despite not having any of India's problem.. is ahead of India..... and Mr. Munshi. . i might be seriously missing a point here.. Bangladesh's economy is 1/10 the size of India...? seriously..? who fed u that piece of info..? r third .. Muse.. Indians are some of the biggest critique of India..don't think we don't accept criticism with spirit.. but i believe it will not be too hard for u too believe that.. some individuals are here just to do targeted search and pull up links to present only one side of the story..which is a rather lame exercise..
 
If you say that you didnt bragg'ed about Indian economic might, then i can only laugh at you. Saying that why Pakistan or Bangaladesh didnt move ahead of India is a clear proof of you talking about india being economic might. Infact, India presents fake picture of its economy while so many starve, the economy is only for upper class, as its same all around the world.

I wonder how much you will love India if you were from lower caste.


-Regards
 
What has India done for Bangladesh? Absolutely nothing. What has India done for itself. Absolutely everything. What has Bangladesh done for India? Tolerated it. What has Bangladesh done for itself? Removed itself from the Indian sphere of influence.

Munshiji,

Why should BD want India or anyone for that matter to do anything for it ? We all have to sing for our supper & so should BD. The sooner it stops taking aid the faster it will be on its feet.
PS. Was it India who " liberated" BD or did some fairy god mother wave a magic wand in ' 71?

If you feel India has done ' absoloutely everything" for itself, all I'd like to know is why not ?

BD tolerating India ? ...No coments..I have no clue of spheres, all I'd like to say is that caretaker Govt does not mirror ur thoughts.
 
I think the Indians on this forum are getting an allergic reaction from the IDF. The Indians are showing the arrogant but dumb side of their character. Bangladesh is about 1/20th the size of India but has an economy that is roughly 1/10 of India's. No single state of India is doing better than Bangladesh economically. In other words each of the states of India should secede and their economies would do even better (some are doing dismally). This is certainly the case for the seven sisters, Kashmir, Punjab and Tamil Nadu. We in Bangladesh do not have the number of poor people that are in India and our farmers certainly do not commit mass suicide. India is clearly not a happy place to live. Only good for the upper class Hindu Brahmins.


May I request you to kindly be careful in ur choice of words.

Whatever be ur grouse.. lets not loose our sight of our basics.
 
I think the Indians on this forum are getting an allergic reaction from the IDF. The Indians are showing the arrogant but dumb side of their character. Bangladesh is about 1/20th the size of India but has an economy that is roughly 1/10 of India's. No single state of India is doing better than Bangladesh economically. In other words each of the states of India should secede and their economies would do even better (some are doing dismally). This is certainly the case for the seven sisters, Kashmir, Punjab and Tamil Nadu. We in Bangladesh do not have the number of poor people that are in India and our farmers certainly do not commit mass suicide. India is clearly not a happy place to live. Only good for the upper class Hindu Brahmins.

Stop whining about "Indians not talking to me ".

No single state of India is doing better than Bangladesh economically.
Dogs Olfactory organs are better then Lions .. that doesnt make dog king of jungle .
 
If you say that you didnt bragg'ed about Indian economic might, then i can only laugh at you. Saying that why Pakistan or Bangaladesh didnt move ahead of India is a clear proof of you talking about india being economic might. Infact, India presents fake picture of its economy while so many starve, the economy is only for upper class, as its same all around the world.

I wonder how much you will love India if you were from lower caste.


-Regards

ha ha .. I am indeed from Lower Caste.. and my parents worked their A** out to educate me.. and in the process I have realized there is not alternative to hardwork ..and dedication .. might sound a cliche .. but thats how close it gets to reality ..whether u accept or not..

and my question was simple.. .

Why Pakistan and Bangladesh has not made significant economic progress despite not having half of India's problem.. did u manage to answer that question? No .. reason.. you don't have the answer... friend my point was not to put Pakistan or Bangladesh down... I wanted to let you realize..that all three of us ..even 60 years back were tied together under a common rule of British ..and we share similar problems .. which are pretty deep rooted.. and most of these problems are common across all the countries.. poverty, health and hygiene... religious fanatism... illiteracy .. .. .and we all have to work towards fixing it..

If Pakistan get a ranking of 77 in Conspiracy International and India 85 .. that makes India more corrupt than Pakistan .. but does that make Pakistan less corrupt ..? no .. so stop pulling out links which only highlights the negative sides ..bcos it is a rather simple task .. which google had made easy... anyone can engage in that..

Lastly please don't dump statistics...we all know that already and accepting it ..with humble submission that not everything is well with India... but .. I can definitely say we have made a start towards progress and it is not going to be done in a year or so....
 
Actually i did put my answer, you failed to take it. The idea of comparing is prtty bogus since u dont know what points need to be considered for comparing two countries. It would have made sense if you would ask me to compare Pakistan or Bangaladesh with USA or UK. There is 'nothing' extra ordinary about indian economic progress. The indian economic progress is more or less same as compared to any other asian country.

Your human development indicators are enough to show how much progress is being made. And if you will read them, you can rightfully conculde that, india is same as any other south-asian country or probably, more messed with internal problems, which might cause india to crumble in the long run, while others survive. Some indicators are posted above for your ease.

And excatly, as you said, Indian progress would not be done in a year or so, according to a research, it will take 300 years to remove poverty from India. I might post that research sometime for your reading pleasure. Good going!

Statistics - Human Development Reports (UNDP)
 
Those 10 negative things i posted above are heavy upon even if you put 1 million positive things about India.

I dont decline that there has not been any progress within India. Making some roads, big buildings, having shinny cars - benefiting 15% eilte of the country does not makes India a super state. I merely provided you with a face of reality in your country, which all of you indians forget.


PS: Discussions are carried on with backing of factual facts and figures. Learn the manners of discussions and proving the points. All those facts and figures posted above are from creditable sources, unlike yours.


-Regards
I say, even when you have to pat on the back, you have to do it with closed knuckles.. let me come argue using your scales then.. Facts n Figures huh? Factually speaking India is doing better and though requires a lot more action, is doing better than Pakistan or Bangladesh..

and my source is not creditable? Things which i see with my 2 eyes are less creditable than a person who chews up numbers and gives a conclusion sitting in a AC room ten and thousands of miles away from where It happens! Great going Sir.. :) if we go just by "facts and figures from Creditable sources" , the discussion will be a full scale mudslinging contest..
 
Actually i did put my answer, you failed to take it. The idea of comparing is prtty bogus since u dont know what points need to be considered for comparing two countries. It would have made sense if you would ask me to compare Pakistan or Bangaladesh with USA or UK. There is 'nothing' extra ordinary about indian economic progress. The indian economic progress is more or less same as compared to any other asian country.

Your human development indicators are enough to show how much progress is being made. And if you will read them, you can rightfully conculde that, india is same as any other south-asian country or probably, more messed with internal problems, which might cause india to crumble in the long run, while others survive. Some indicators are posted above for your ease.

And excatly, as you said, Indian progress would not be done in a year or so, according to a research, it will take 300 years to remove poverty from India. I might post that research sometime for your reading pleasure. Good going!

Statistics - Human Development Reports (UNDP)

yes.. u wanted to compare ur economy with USA and UK? Sure go ahead... I am all yours.. South Asian Countries... yes Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Srilanka.. they are less messed up with internal problems than India.. .. sigh..!!! .. yea you are very right.. don't take your blind animosity to level where it becomes hillarious...
 
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Yet again, bragging about indian economic might and influence. Seriously, where do you get this daily feed of recorded lines? Your facts and figures prove another picture then what you guys keep talking about.

-India accounts for 40 % of the world’s poor (more than in the whole of Africa)

-Its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world.

-India ranks way down at 96 among 119 developing countries included in the Global Hunger Index (GHI).Ref: IFPRI Country Report on India.

-Around six out of 10 Indians live in the countryside, where abject poverty is widespread. 34.7 % of the Indian population lives with an income below $ 1 a day and 79.9 % below $ 2 a day. According to the India’s planning commission report 26.1 % of the population live below the poverty line. [World Bank's poverty line of $1 a day, but the Indian poverty line of Rs 360 a month, or 30 cents a day]

-According to CIA world fact book, the Current account balance of India is -10,360,000,000 (minus) while China is the wealthiest country in the world with $ 249,900,000,000 (Plus) . India listed as 152 and China as no.1 [CIA: The world fact book].Amnesty International (AI) 2008 report on issues within India

-The Human Development Report for 2007-08 released by the UNDP ranked India 128 out of 177 countries, working it out through measures of life expectancy, education and income. Malaysia ranked 63 and listed at under High Human Development category. The report found that India’s GDP per capita (purchasing power parity) is $3,452, far below Malaysia’s $10,882. China listed as 81. Read the statistics from UNDP website.

-According to the Indian census of 2001, the total population was 1.028 billion. Hindus numbered 827 million or 80.5 %. About 25 per cent (24 million) of those Hindus are belonging to Scheduled Castes and Tribes. About 40 per cent (400 million) are “Other Backward Castes”.

-89 percent of rural households do not own telephones; 52 percent do not have any domestic power connection. There are daily power cuts even in the nation’s capital. The average brownout in India is three hours per day during non-monsoon months, 17 hours daily during the monsoon. The average village is 2 kilometers away from an all-weather road, and 20 percent of rural habitations have partial or no access to a safe drinking-water supply. [Tarun Khanna, Yale Center for the Study of Globalization]

-India has over 35 per cent of the world’s total illiterate population. [UNESCO Education for All Report 2008] Only 66 per cent people are literate in India (76 per cent men and 54 per cent women)

-Japan has 4,000 universities for its 127 million people and the US has 3,650 universities for its 301 million, India has only 348 universities for its 1.2 billion people.

-Indian universities churn out three million graduates a year, only 15% of them are suitable employees for blue-chip companies. Only 1 million among them are IT professionals.


Should i post more? Please go and work for your country rather then wasting your energy here on these forums. Your economically powerful country badly needs you.

The following is probably either of the article from where Ali.009 is dumping his stuff.. .
Why 1 million Indians Escape from India every year? A Zillion reasons to escape from India

or may be this one.. where it gives a balance view of positives and negatives..

there is no point in pasting in link from religious or caste-wise extremist groups on either side.. it is pure propaganda ... we fall somewhere in between....


Will India be a SuperPower?
Education alone can help India become a superpowerAugust 26, 2008 at 3:13 pm · Filed under Education, India, India(2020)

2008 is poised to be another year of high economic growth. As we enter the last quarter of FY 2008, the fourth consecutive fiscal when India has witnessed over 8% growth, we find India’s manpower shortages aggravate even further. Just as growth has been multi-sectoral, so have the manpower deficiencies.

There is scarcity of skilled manpower in every industry, from good carpenters and plumbers to factory workers, doctors and scientists. The banking industry, which employs 900,000 people, is expected to add 600,000 more over the next three to four years.

Similarly, the IT and ITeS industry will need around 850,000 additional skilled manpower by 2010. And, the retail industry will need nearly 2.5 million skilled professionals by 2012. Not only are jobs within India on the rise, the developed world too is facing manpower shortages, which are expected to rise to 40 million by 2020.

This shortfall can be met by India, where both educated unemployment and the number of people joining the workforce are on the rise. In short, the opportunities beforeIndia are huge, provided our education sector gears up to take these on.

The good news is that the government is paying heed to this challenge. Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan is geared towards achieving useful and relevant elementary education for all children by 2010. This movement is showing results. The number of out-of-school children in the 6-14 years age group has dropped from 13.4 million in 2005 to 7.06 million in March-end 2006. Similarly, the Universities Grant Commission has announced a new budget with promising initiatives and better funds for universities.

While these initiatives are welcome, they are unlikely to solve the sheer magnitude of the problem. Manpower shortages are both qualitative and quantitative in nature. The task is a lot bigger. We need to take a fresh look at the education sector.


It’s time we encourage, engage and motivate both not-for-profit and profit-making institutions to set up educational institutions. Whoever wants to contribute to this sector must be encouraged to do so. There is a role for everyone. There is too much to be done.

In 1991, India opened up several sectors to foreign investment. The liberalisation policy unleashed enormous energy in India’s corporate sector. Since then, several Indian companies have gone global and earned a name in the global marketplace.

We need similar type of ‘policy reforms’ in the education sector. Players in this sector must be given the freedom to enter, operate and exit. India needs more universities. WhileJapan has 4,000 universities for its 127 million people and the US has 3,650 universities for its 301 million, India has only 348 universities for its 1.2 billion people.

India can’t afford to lose more time on debates. In Japan, 75% of all higher education institutions are private. We need to pass the Private Universities Bill that has been pending in Parliament since 1995.

India needs ‘curricular reforms’. In today’s world, where technological knowhow is evolving with each day, educational institutions need to be granted the freedom to engage with the industry and change the curricula as and when required. Educational institutions must teach what the industry needs.

And finally, the education sector also needs ‘financial reforms’, especially in higher education. The government should provide scholarships and loans to those who need it the most, and leave academic fee to be determined by market forces. That’s what will make our Educational institutions relevant and self-sustaining. The need of the hour, therefore, is to rapidly implement this three-pronged reform process, policy reforms, curricular reforms and financial reforms.

A knowledge economy like India runs on the back of its educated workforce. Today, our chances of emerging as a super power squarely rest on our education system and how well it responds to meeting domestic and global requirements for talent. It is an opportunity India just cannot afford to lose.
 
What are you talking about now? It just took a threat from another Indian on this forum to make you start talking drivel.

By the way it appears I am to be permanently banned from IDF. These Indians can just provoke but when someone talks back they start crying like a girl.

In response to an Indian describing BD as a fly on the elephants *** I merely replied that India was the turd that came out of the elephants ***. I think that was fair comment after the abuse I had to put up with there.

Munshi Saab! You are supposedly 36 years old, Yet i wonder if it is true.. I saw some of your posts.. Seriously, you should know when to reply and to whom to reply.. There is another pakistani forum which is seriously filled with teenagers and you get the same treatment.. you could have limited your discussion with the really serious ones and now you come here and cry about it.. and totally irrelevant to the topic @ hand!! :hitwall:
 
Munshi Saab! You are supposedly 36 years old, Yet i wonder if it is true.. I saw some of your posts.. Seriously, you should know when to reply and to whom to reply.. There is another pakistani forum which is seriously filled with teenagers and you get the same treatment.. you could have limited your discussion with the really serious ones and now you come here and cry about it.. and totally irrelevant to the topic @ hand!! :hitwall:

Thanks donrahul. That's a very mature post.
 
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