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Its highly unlikely. While US and NATO logistics pass through Pakistan, they're not going to attack her on large scale.
I guess they will opt for hit and run strategy. They'll hit some targets and go back in choppers like May 2 incident.
 
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Its highly unlikely. While US and NATO logistics pass through Pakistan, they're not going to attack her on large scale.
I guess they will opt for hit and run strategy. They'll hit some targets and go back in choppers like May 2 incident.


Only by announcing it on Twitter... Trump may have escalated the risk to own troops to a high level
 
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This is absolutely false.

FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/dona...-lies-and-deceit.536553/page-20#post-10134397

Russia and US had an understanding in regards to matters in Syria.

And here is a snapshot of Russian performance in Syria: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-s-involvement-in-syria-proves-that-its-far-behin-1794966734

US is miles ahead of Russia in military capabilities.


Interesting paradigm.

As they often say jokingly: Rise of the REST.

However, I am skeptical about this alliance taking off. Turkey is still in NATO and Russia is not a friend of Pakistan. In-fact, Russia and China are allies of convenience.


Why you want US to take out North Korea?

If US will ever take out North Korea, some will claim that North Korea was heavily sanctioned and weak. These people can never get the memo.


I believe that China can avert a crises between US and Pakistan through diplomatic channels.
Leme break ur bubble wind in the air , there is a country called North korea 10times less capable then pakistan & its standing like a rock since a decade .
I think thats enough of the slap for your dam cutting & pasting shyt ?lolzz
 
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Only by announcing it on Twitter... Trump may have escalated the risk to own troops to a high level
The orange-haired buffoon has history of such idiotic tweets. He even targeted UK in his tweets.:D

Well, I think he doenst know the history and background on WOT, or he is briefed by anti-Pak lobbies. Inaddition, he had a pro-India stance even before he was elected as president.
 
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In such case, Pakistan severe diplomatic relation and defend the air space and territory with all available means and where possible, could try own missile arsenal to analyse their parameters in real war scenario.
Further to that no more aerial/land passage to US.
China and Russia could also be offered the facility for their new weapon system testing.
 
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Sorry but there was NO understanding btw Russia and USA. The deal signed later when US completely failed to hit Asad regime because of Russian backing. The US realized they can't achieve its objectives after Russian intervention. At the end, US kne down and no option left or accept Russian and the deal signed....
Since when was US reluctant to take on a Russian/Soviet-backed regime anywhere?

Your narrative is baseless while I have provided evidence of a deal between US and Russia which averted American threat to Syrian regime in 2013: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23876085

Another aspect of negotiations between Russia and US was that the latter would intervene only to counter ISIS in Syria and Russia would facilitate US in this endeavor. Are you aware of "deconflicting collaboration" between Russia and US in Syria?

FYI: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/5/us-russia-use-military-deconfliction-phone-20-time/

Syrian Civil War began in 2011 and Russia stood by and watched the situation until 2015 because Russians were anticipating a Libya-style intervention in Syria from NATO. However, this intervention did not materialize in part due to reluctance of Obama administration and also due to Russian diplomacy.

Scores of members here are clueless about what happens behind-the-scenes in Syria.

I knw the power of Kuwaitiz and their Army even today. I am really surprised that you're completely underestimate today's Paksitan conventional and non-conventional warfare capabilities especially the destruction WMD weapons. What do you think if Pakistan doesn't have any capability like as you want to convince us, India will spare Pakistan? oh comeon... Americans completely failed in Afghanistan, Vietnam and Iraq. They used France as a front in Libya along with AlQaida and here they will go for direct confrontation with Pakistan?
I do not underestimate Pakistan but I am well aware of American military might and technological superiority vis-a-vis Pakistan. I am not oblivious to Pakistani military capabilities (and options) but I also understand its limitations. Do you think Pervez Musharraf was a fool?

Pakistan is a near-peer adversary to India but not to US.

US completely failed in Afghanistan? This is horseshit and I will tell you why. I vividly recall the fact that US wiped out [much of] original Taliban in a span of 2 months in 2001 (i.e. Operation Enduring Freedom). Pounding was so intense that a large number of terrorists slipped into Pakistan in order to escape certain death. Tommy Franks was a competent commander and POTUS Bush meant Business. Afghanistan remained peaceful for like 2 straight years since.

However, US was not thinking long-term in regards to managing Afghan politics, brought Northern Alliance based elements to power and was willing to victimize Afghan Pashtun on their behest because they had supported original Taliban earlier; scores of Pashtun families were assassinated (some belonging to so-called Haqqani Network). Not surprisingly, Pashtun struck back and a new Taliban emerged from the ashes. The (resurgent) Taliban was much smarter than the original; this was an elusive enemy that avoided pitched battles with the US army and went for soft targets such as civilians and US-backed regime. Conversely, US shifted it attention to Iraq in 2003 and Afghanistan became secondary.

US-led armies took over Iraq in 2003 in a span of 21 days only (i.e. Operation Iraqi Freedom); a remarkable demonstration of blitzkrieg that surprised many, and closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein in the region. In contrast, do you recall Iran-Iraq war which lasted 8 years and ended in stalemate?

In 2004, Iraqi militias regrouped in Fallujah and turned this city into a bastion of resistance. However, US marines smashed this resistance in a remarkable demonstration of combat prowess in an urban environment (i.e. Operation Phantom Fury).

Now, Saddam Hussein was bad but a necessary evil for the region; he had stabilized Iraq via his strong-arm tactics and considerable support base. However, with Saddam and his support base out of the picture, it was just a matter of time when Iraq would slide into sectarian strife and an ugly 'civil war' broke out in 2006 in which thousands of Iraqi perished. US-led armies managed to stabilize Iraq in 2008 [with great difficulty] and were withdrawn from the country in 2011 consequently. However, thanks in part to ill-advised politics of Iraqi PM Nouri al-Maliki, ISIS emerged in Iraq in 2013 and occupied vast swaths of lands across Iraq and Syria by 2014. In response to this development, US commenced Operation Inherent Resolve in 2014 and it took US-led armies 3 years to eradicate this threat across Iraq and Syria; Operation Inherent Resolve ended in 2017 consequently. Iraq has returned to normalcy once again and hopefully stay this way for long.

Point is that an army can achieve victory in the battlefield but a sound political solution is necessary to ensure complete victory in a contested region. Otherwise, new bouts of conflicts will continue to break out from time-to-time as witnessed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Intervention in Libya was planned and executed very well. However, you are giving French too much credit here; US brought its surveillance, communication and coordination capabilities to bear in Libya in order to ensure that every airstrike will be meaningful and effective, and also contributed to operations on the ground. Without such assistance, European countries would not have accomplished much.

Yes, US failed in Vietnam but reasons are multiple. Vietcong was armed to the teeth with Soviet weaponry and had defeated the French earlier. Conversely, Vietnamese territory nullified any advantage US enjoyed over Vietcong in military context. On top, racial tensions in the US had a trickle-down effect on the cohesion of US troops in Vietnam. Moreover, US commanders were politically restricted in their actions on the ground because this war was not popular back in home. However, much has changed since.

Numerous operations such as Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom, Phantom Fury and Inherent Resolve demonstrate the fact that US is willing to act and hit its opponents hard at times.

In-fact, just look at the war-fighting capacity of the US; they are conducting operations across the world since 2001 and they are nowhere close to fatigue. In contrast, Pakistan army is on the brink of exhaustion by conducting operations in just Waziristan and adjoining areas since 2004. Now keep in mind that US softened resistance of TTP to Pakistan army to great extent by assassinating its notable commanders and scores of its operatives via drones over the course of years. American assistance notwithstanding, Pakistan army is operating in its home-turf with ample support from the public.

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Now, I am not asserting that US will attack Pakistan; I hope not. However, who made this thread?

May be you have not study our nuclear option, dont compare us with Iraq, why amrica cant finish North Korea which is millions of years behinde us !
I don't live in a cave.

Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that Pakistani nukes are kept in underground storage compounds, away from ballistic missiles due to security reasons and cost-related considerations; and it takes time to mate them.

Not only that but you [should] expect US to have mapped out the entire territory of Pakistan by now, and both apparent and suspected sites are marked for strikes. Reason is that American surveillance is a constant feature from sea, air and space; invisible to naked eye. In-fact, whenever a ballistic missile or cruise missile is launched from any part of the world, American surveillance networks are able to track it in real-time and relay its position to concerned sources. In case of hostilities (God forbid), expect suitable countermeasures to be deployed near and around Pakistan.

Conversely, American ICBMs are kept mated with nuclear warheads and in strike mode on 24/7 basis. You do not threaten US with a nuclear strike, my friend.

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North Korea is much ahead of Pakistan in developing missiles actually. In-fact, North Korea is rumored to have developed much bigger nukes as well. Perhaps you are not aware but North Korea is credited for advancing Pakistani missile development program.
 
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I would like to see preemptive closure of supply lines land and air... why waiting for some thing to happen???
 
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you are wasting time on this guy, Trust me brother , if you have a wall than go bang your head in that wall it will be better than debating with this idiot ( Legend ) :lol:
Right.

People like you never have a constructive counter-argument, and your lack of knowledge is also apparent from your posts. Childish chest-thumping is what the likes of you are mostly good at.

Be glad that there are a few members in this community who understand this stuff.

Leme break ur bubble wind in the air , there is a country called North korea 10times less capable then pakistan & its standing like a rock since a decade .
I think thats enough of the slap for your dam cutting & pasting shyt ?lolzz
North Korea is not only miles ahead of Pakistan in developing missiles but the entire nation is conditioned for warfare. In-fact, real threat is to South Korea whose capital Seoul is within striking range of North Korea artillery. This has been a good bargaining chip for North Korea so far. Time will tell.

Use the nuclear sword !

If America will start a full-scale war, Pakistan will start to take out all bigger American military bases, aircraft carrier fleets, citys and military bases of major US allies (Israel and India) which are in the range of 2800km with our long-range missiles series, for Afghanistan Pakistan will use the Abdali series we are building this missile since end of the 1980s so we have big stockpile of this missile type. Meanwhile, at the same time, Pakistan will start to take out every bigger Indian City and Military Base with nuclear weapons.
This is why people who are ill-informed, should refrain from commenting on these matters. That is a nice wishlist you offered in your post but completely devoid of technicalities and what would be our chances while being subjected to intense firepower (God forbid).

Learn from here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pent...rt-afghan-taliban.534942/page-5#post-10111640
 
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Right.

People like you never have a constructive counter-argument, and your lack of knowledge is also apparent from your posts. Childish chest-thumping is what the likes of you are mostly good at.

Be glad that there are a few members in this community who understand this stuff.

Constructive Counter argument to what ? LOL i don't waste time with people like you .. i have discussed matters with you in past that lead me to this conclusion .. you are a hopeless creature :)
and for chest thumping I am not the one Nuking Umerika every now and then ..

I am glad there are few members who actually know what they are posting, and you are definitely not one of them, that is why you are in the Hall of Fame ( Ignore list ) :lol:
 
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Constructive Counter argument to what ? LOL i don't waste time with people like you .. i have discussed matters with you in past that lead me to this conclusion .. you are a hopeless creature :)
and for chest thumping I am not the one Nuking Umerika every now and then ..

I am glad there are few members who actually know what they are posting, and you are definitely not one of them, that is why you are in the Hall of Fame ( Ignore list ) :lol:
Only people of matching intellect will understand my posts and points; you are not one of them unfortunately.

Pakistan had nukes in 2001 as well. Why Pakistan did not stop US back then? Don't blame Pervez Musharraf because he has much greater grasp of these realities than common folk.

You are living in a fools paradise, thinking that what we have developed so far is enough to stop US. You do not understand the technicalities of any weapon system and combat situation. US is investing 700 billion USD on its defenses on annual basis; Pakistan is able to invest only 10 billion USD. Any person with a bit of common sense can get the memo from this very basic statistic.

They are pioneers of a great many technologies and they have developed systems that are good enough to neutralize everything Pakistan has to offer, with appropriate preparation of-course. They have contingency plans for every nation in existence.

I must tell you one thing: Allah Almighty has advised humbleness to believers. He does not appreciate chest-thumping attitude to approaches in life. Allah Almighty has also advised that never presume what you have learned or have in your possession is enough; continue to read and work. But how would you know because you have not even read Holy Quran properly, let alone studied the art of battlefield.
 
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Only people of matching intellect will understand my posts and points; you are not one of them unfortunately.

what Intellect you are talking about here man? and I agree i am not as intellectual as you, Allah has not left my top end empty like your :)

Pakistan had nukes in 2001 as well. Why Pakistan did not stop US back then? Don't blame Pervez Musharraf because he has much greater grasp of these realities than common folk.

Again , I call you an Idiot and you well deserve that Title .. Who is talking about Nuking America ? US Sanction Pakistan in 2001 , and how did that Turn out for US ? they have to resort to blackmailing to get us in WoT .

You are living in a fools paradise, thinking that what we have developed so far is enough to stop US. You do not understand the technicalities of any weapon system and combat situation. US is investing 700 billion USD on its defenses on annual basis; Pakistan is able to invest only 10 billion USD.

I can see you have a habit of D!ck measuring here, you must have a very sad life :lol:
US is technologically Advance than any other nation but that does not means they win every battle they get their heads in .. Vietnam they have to resort to indiscriminate Napalm Bombings to save their defeated face .. Cold war they win because of several Countries were involved , Afghanistan ? Even Americans believe they lost there lol and i know you will say they won cause they level entire Villages to get 3 terrorist hiding .. you call Victory ? Iraq the world knows how's that turn out, if you don't look at Iraq today .. with all that might and Technology they resort to Fund the Shia against the Sunni's and Sunni's against Shia ( Mehdi Army ) lol
Somalia , oh what a Victory, Somalia today is the safest place on earth , i suggest you to go there for honeymoon, cause American win there, and Somalians are living in harmony ever since :P

They are pioneers of a great many technologies and they have developed systems that are good enough to neutralize everything Pakistan has to offer, with appropriate preparation of-course.

Idiot ...

Keep dreaming.

Don't forget to take your Pills , and In fact joke is on me .. that I ask Ulla to avoid debating with you and i am actually expecting a reasonable reply to deluded Idiot like you :hitwall:
 
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