What if India becomes superpower? What then?

[prashantazazel]

So, massively more number of personal vehicles in the West compared to the USSR automatically meant that USSR was inferior to the West ?

Just one of the factors. The citizens of the USSR felt that the West was better. One of the main reasons behind its demise. Eastern Germans were escaping to the West because the capitalist society was better overall.

India before liberalisation was hell for everyone. Now, a significant chunk have been taken out of poverty.

It is in human nature to be competitive, to try to be better than everybody else.


I will list a few positives in the erstwhile USSR- better status of women, and better workforce participation of women, large open public spaces, crèches.

The availability and distribution of something as basic as food, was better in the West.

 

[chinasun]

ASEAN's economic aggregate is no worse than that of India! ASEAN also has the potential to become a super economy.

 

[SIPRA]

That's why they've hidden their casualties for straight 8 months.

This thread is about the potential of India, of becoming a real superpower, in foreseeable future, not about becoming a "Phuddu" Power, which it already is, as demonstrated by Galwan Clash.

 

[jamal18]

OP: We're all Fu##ed!

 

[fallstuff]

I think at this point, their growing industrial base, large landmass, and tech sector, they will eventually become a second tier superpower like the soviets (who had a lot of poverty compared to the west) what would Pakistans defence strategy be then? They will be treated with even greater respect world wide, have all the Gulf nations (who give us loans) in their sphere of influence and likely be given a Veto vote in the UN and hold strong sway over the IMF (who also gives us loans)
In this senario how would our generals respond? and would we become yet another proxy for a cold war between China & india like we were for the USSR and US?

When that happens everybody in their neighborhood run for high ground !

 

[SIPRA]

When that happens everybody in their neighborhood run for high ground !

I think that far before that China will run towards the "high ground", that is Himalaya.

 

[blain2]

Prime game in this region is between China and India. Pakistan, courtesy it's Establishment, has, by and large, become insignificant. A few more traitors like Mir Bajwa, and it would become irrelevant.

Iss ka matlab hai kay qaum ko auqat samajah may aagai hai. All the better then. Insignificant means quiet and perhaps that is what this godforsaken nation needs.

As a general point, no nation amongst the P-5 with veto power has ongoing border/active disputes with its neighbors. India too will have to come to terms with its neighbors before it is accorded anything similar to a P-5 status. Plenty of spoilers (China and Pakistan the primary ones along with allies in distant places like Italy, Japan et-al willing to ruin the party for India) at play here.

 

[Indos]

ASEAN's economic aggregate is no worse than that of India! ASEAN also has the potential to become a super economy.

ASEAN growth so far is quite good. We only have one member, Myanmar, that still have huge problem domestically.

UNCTAD report on FDI inflows into India:
2016: $44 billion
2017: $40 billion
2018: $42 billion
2019:$51 billion
2020: $64 billion
2021: $45 billion
UNCTAD dont include equity inflows, reinvested earnings, and other capital in their calculations

LOL that 2020 number is rather bulshit, that was during Covid 19 lock down. All nations should have low FDI number in 2020 not increasing LOL. That figures then clearly show India FDI in UNCTAD number include equity inflows as that was the time Adani or some Indian conglomerates sells their huge equity to foreigners. @Bilal9 can show the prove


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It is very likely that Indonesia FDI will be similar with India if India FDI this year is similar with last year since in Q3 alone we have already had 10 billion USD, AlhamduliLLAH.

Any nation has its own FDI calculation that is designed to help the economic assessment. Indonesia exclude our investment figure from banking and oil and gas as I have stated before

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The data excludes investment in banking and the oil and gas sectors in Indonesia, Southeast Asia's biggest economy.

Indonesia's Q3 foreign direct investment value rises 63.6% y/y

JAKARTA : Foreign direct investment (FDI) in Indonesia rose 63.6 per cent on a yearly basis in the third quarter in rupiah terms, its investment minister said on Monday, boosted mainly by development of resources processing. Bahlil Lahadalia said that the trend of investment in the processing...

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[hussain0216]

That is an old article where it was clearly mentioned that Indias GDP at that time was $1.64 trillion
Here's the latest one (By UNDP)

415 million exited poverty in India in 15 years: UNDP - Times of India

Times of India brings the Latest & Top Breaking News on Politics and Current Affairs in India & around the World, Cricket, Sports, Business, Bollywood News and Entertainment, Science, Technology, Health & Fitness news & opinions from leading columnists.

m.timesofindia.com

IMF paper

Food subsidies prevented rise in extreme poverty during COVID-19 in India: IMF

The new paper ‘Pandemic poverty and Inequality: Evidence from India’, published in IMF, authored by Surjit Bhalla, Karan Bhasin and Arvind Virmani aimed to study the effect of in-kind food subsidies on poverty and inequality.

www.businesstoday.in

World Bank Praises Indian Govt For Taking Special Policies For Poor During Pandemic

World Bank President, David Malpass said that, the way India has provided help to the poor and needy people during the covid 19 pandemic crisis is extraordinary, , world bank, government of india, COVID-19 Pandemic

www.businessworld.in

India ranks 107 on 2022 Global Hunger Index, behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal

In Asia, Afghanistan with a rank of 109 is the only country behind India. Neighbouring countries - Pakistan (99), Bangladesh (84), Nepal (81) and Sri Lanka (64) have all fared better than India.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

SUPAPAWA

Oh wait this is a old article from October 2022 and now it's December, let's disregard it like every thing else the hindutva bakhts do

 

[Bilal9]

Number of poor people in India fell by about 415 million between 2005-06 and 2019-21, a ‘historic change’: UN

It demonstrates that the "Sustainable Development Goal target 1.2 of reducing at least by half the proportion of men, women and children of all ages living in poverty in all its dimensions according to national definitions by 2030 is possible to achieve — and at scale", it said.

www.google.com

Please stop copy pasting Godi Media propaganda here. We know the sources and who sponsors them.

 

[TheSolution]

Off topic: @Titanium100 are you and @Battlion25 the same person?

Yes they are

Were you able to tell from the sheer stupidity and fantasy writing?

 

[walterbibikow]

India ranks 107 on 2022 Global Hunger Index, behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal

In Asia, Afghanistan with a rank of 109 is the only country behind India. Neighbouring countries - Pakistan (99), Bangladesh (84), Nepal (81) and Sri Lanka (64) have all fared better than India.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

SUPAPAWA

Oh wait this is a old article from October 2022 and now it's December, let's disregard it like every thing else the hindutva bakhts do

I knew you would quote this article to counter my argument. So a Chinese sponsored index, that too surveyed amongst 1000 people, is more credible than IMF papers, World Bank and UNDP.

In India update, World Bank lifts GDP growth forecast to 6.9%

This revision in its FY23 GDP forecast comes two months after the Bank had cut India's FY23 GDP forecast to 6.5 per cent from 7.5 per cent in an October update, which came in the wake of a series of growth downgrades by rating agencies, investment banks and other multilateral institutions.

indianexpress.com

If Pakistan was so good, then your political leaders wouldn't have begged around the world for alms. Pakistan which used to be a net exporter of food grains have turned into a net importer of rice, wheat, cereals and tomatoes

Heck even Bangladesh is importing basic food items like rice to meet their current domestic demand. You know that they have stopped importing luxury items due to shortage of foreign exchanges

Dhaka gets positive response from Delhi on quota for rice, wheat: Tipu Munshi

Commerce Minister Tipu Munshi said India has responded positively to providing annual quota facilities to Bangladesh for importing seven commodities including rice, wheat and onion in fixed amount. "Bangladesh sent a proposal earlier to import these daily commodities in fixed amount from India...

www.tbsnews.net

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/agri-business/bangladesh-offers-40t-more-to-buy-25-lt-rice-on-g2g-basis-from-india/article66292249.ece

"India provided about $4 billion in rapid assistance between January and July, including credit lines, a currency swap arrangement and deferred import payments, and sent a warship carrying essential drugs for the island's 22 million people"

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Indian generic medicines emerge as a life-saver in COVID-hit China​

Chinese turn to black market for generic Indian Covid-19 drugs

Limited supply and steep price of the two approved antivirals are driving many Chinese to opt for cheaper but illegal imports from India.

www.scmp.com

 

[Bilal9]

India ranks 107 on 2022 Global Hunger Index, behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal

In Asia, Afghanistan with a rank of 109 is the only country behind India. Neighbouring countries - Pakistan (99), Bangladesh (84), Nepal (81) and Sri Lanka (64) have all fared better than India.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

SUPAPAWA

Oh wait this is a old article from October 2022 and now it's December, let's disregard it like every thing else the hindutva bakhts do

That one factor is more than 110% effective in convincing people that these gargantuan band of uncivilized idiots can't run their own affairs properly.

Not today, not 50 years ago, not even 800 years ago.

That's why they got invaded and had to be 2nd class for that long.

Talking about the crucible of incompetency and hate in India, the COW-belt Hindutva BIMARU Garbage states. Worst of the worst.

800 years of cajoling, helping and assists and we Muslims failed to make civilized human beings out of these people.

Then the English tried and they failed too after two hundred years.

A hopeless people with hopeless fate.

And people hold out high hopes about them being SUPAPAWA.

Right........

I knew you would quote this article to counter my argument. So a Chinese sponsored index, that too surveyed amongst 1000 people, is more credible than IMF papers and World Bank. If Pakistan was anyhow better than India then your political leaders wouldn't have begged around the world for alms.

Heck even Bangladesh is importing basic food items like rice to meet their current domestic demand. You know that they have stopped importing luxury items due to shortage of foreign exchanges

Dhaka gets positive response from Delhi on quota for rice, wheat: Tipu Munshi

Commerce Minister Tipu Munshi said India has responded positively to providing annual quota facilities to Bangladesh for importing seven commodities including rice, wheat and onion in fixed amount. "Bangladesh sent a proposal earlier to import these daily commodities in fixed amount from India...

www.tbsnews.net

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/agri-business/bangladesh-offers-40t-more-to-buy-25-lt-rice-on-g2g-basis-from-india/article66292249.ece

"India provided about $4 billion in rapid assistance between January and July, including credit lines, a currency swap arrangement and deferred import payments, and sent a warship carrying essential drugs for the island's 22 million people"

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Indian generic medicines emerge as a life-saver in COVID-hit China​

Chinese turn to black market for generic Indian Covid-19 drugs

Limited supply and steep price of the two approved antivirals are driving many Chinese to opt for cheaper but illegal imports from India.

www.scmp.com

Are you suggesting that Bangladesh gets things for free from India? Or others do?

That - my friend, is impossible to do. Nothing Indian govt. does is without selfish reason.

Squeezing juice from a rock is easier than squeezing generosity out of Kanjoos Indian Govt.

This is a standard word used when Bangladeshis visit India, "Shalara cheap!!".

 

[That Guy]

Taking this seriously for a second.

India would come into direct geopolitical competition with both China and the USA, as well as future growing powers that are in the same position as India is today.

The US has the benefit of having friendly neighbors, a strong economy, and powerful alliances across multiple continents.

China has the benefit of having a large population and a strong economy with regional powerful allies.

Even if India grows to be an economic and military super power, it's unlikely to gain regional hegemony as half of the South Asian region do not trust India.

How would Pakistan deal with India? The same as its been doing so far, build up a strong deterence, enough to make India think twice about starting a conflict. As for Pakistan's economy, it just needs to be big enough to deal with whatever India has. Goldman Sach's has said that Pakistan's economy will be $12 trillion by 2075, let's assumes its half that at $7 trillion. I'd say that's good enough to have a strong economy, strong military, and rich enough to deal with any sort of Indian economic and military aggression. With China almost certain to back Pakistan, India wouldn't be able to do much that it isn't already doing.

There's also a good chance that once India comes into direct competition with the US, that the US would remove its support to India. There's a good Chance that the US backs Pakistan to try and keep India in check.

Pakistan would straddle two global powers, it's strategic location would result in fierce competition to gain influence within Pakistan. Even India may try and buy influence within Pakistan with its new found wealth and influence.

 

[walterbibikow]

That one factor is more than 110% effective in convincing people that these gargantuan band of uncivilized idiots can't run their own affairs properly.

Not today, not 50 years ago, not even 800 years ago.

That's why they got invaded and had to be 2nd class for that long.

Talking about the crucible of incompetency and hate in India, the COW-belt Hindutva BIMARU Garbage states. Worst of the worst.

800 years of cajoling, helping and assists and we Muslims failed to make civilized human beings out of these people.

Then the English tried and they failed too after two hundred years.

A hopeless people with hopeless fate.

And people hold out high hopes about them being SUPAPAWA.

Right........

1. Arabs don't consider you as real Muslims
2. Indian subcontinent isn't the birthplace for Islam

Are you suggesting that Bangladesh gets things for free from India? Or others do?

That - my friend, is impossible to do. Nothing Indian govt. does is without selfish reason.

Squeezing juice from a rock is easier than squeezing generosity out of Kanjoos Indian Govt.

This is a standard word used when Bangladeshis visit India, "Shalara cheap!!".

Amader gaali diye kono laab nei dada. Agey nijeder ghor sambhlan tarpor amader dikey আঙুল tulben. Obosso apnake boley kono laab nei. Apni toh dibbi america te mauj korchen.
Nijer Mātr̥bhūmi ke toh kobei tyag kore diyechen tahole ajke ekhane dariye eto drama keno korchen

Please stop copy pasting Godi Media propaganda here. We know the sources and who sponsors them.

Hmm so UNDP is now under the influence of Godi Media
Part II, Page No 23: India: 415 million people exit poverty in 15 years, Multidimensional Poverty Index value and incidence of poverty more than halved

Global Multidimensional Poverty Index 2022

www.undp.org