What if Imran and TUQ belonged to Sindh or Baluchistan?

[HRK]

Today this is one practice and tomorrow it will become norm.

Writ of the state is gone and you imagining things will prevail if Imran Khan will come in power?

Agreed "Writ of the State" has gone but is it because of the current political gathering in Islamabad or it has gone much before when the first time Government compromised the right of its citizens ..... ??

or at the time when Government compromised the law and order situation to facilitate someone elites .... ??

or at the time when Government compromised the economic wellbeing of the nation to facilitates some business and political bigshots ..... ???

PPP can gather even more people to conquer the capital, MQM has more jiyalas then PPP. this "Practice" will alow all parties to take their criminals out of the lockup, and further degrade the institution...

secondly as you have rightly pointed out that many other political parties could gather more or less of their workers and supporters in Islamabad for their political movements ..... so does this seize the right to protest for others ????

Or if you are implying that they could use their political power to make the government act according to the wishes of the people of this country than whats wrong in it ...... ???? after all its "The Democracy"

why do you and others who believe this argument want to minimize the role of people in the democratic system ???

Why do you and others want to seize the right of the people to question their government .... ???

Why do you and others want to make politics a matter of some dynasties .... ???

Why do you and others want to deny the right of active politics of a common Pakistani..... ???

My dear it is Democracy and democracy teach us "Government of the People by the People for the People"
so if a government does not represent the people & their will then every political party should use its right to protest and question the government.

You will not understand, but let time pass you will know for sure what shit Imran Khan has brought ....

I hate to act as oracle and make predictions about future as you have made in your post, my dear its my understanding of the Pakistani politics & others will understand with the passage of time that future of Pakistani politics will be divided among two blocks Pro-Imran or Anti-Imran vote bank .....

 

[Fracker]

Agreed "Writ of the State" has gone but is it because of the current political gathering in Islamabad or it has gone much before when the first time Government compromised the right of its citizens ..... ??

or at the time when Government compromised the law and order situation to facilitate someone elites .... ??

or at the time when Government compromised the economic wellbeing of the nation to facilitates some business and political bigshots ..... ???

Seriously, when before this beating the shit out of Law Enforcer were the heros? When Parliament attack, and PTV attack were normal things? When people were feeling proud of not paying tax, bills etc? Sorry dear, may be it was weak before, but now trashed completely.

And this is the "Writ of the State" not the examples you gave.

secondly as you have rightly pointed out that many other political parties could gather more or less of their workers and supporters in Islamabad for their political movements ..... so does this seize the right to protest for others ????

Or if you are implying that they could use their political power to make the government act according to the wishes of the people of this country than whats wrong in it ...... ???? after all its "The Democracy"

why do you and others who believe this argument want to minimize the role of people in the democratic system ???

Why do you and others want to seize the right of the people to question their government .... ???

Why do you and others want to make politics a matter of some dynasties .... ???

Why do you and others want to deny the right of active politics of a common Pakistani..... ???

My dear it is Democracy and democracy teach us "Government of the People by the People for the People"
so if a government does not represent the people & their will then every political party should use its right to protest and question the government.

I didn't get it, who stopped anyone to protests. But does protest include degrading whole nation? whole state? all state institutions? Can you use fawl language? can you threat your prime minister on daily basis and call it part of Democracy? Ohh please, you are degrading not on personality but his identity.. who is the Chief Executive of Pakistan.

Agree there is no democracy, but why it is not? since this whole game of power struggle rather then systematically handover of the government? PTI is protesting to bring down government rather to do any reforms or audit of lost elections.

The beauty of democracy is mistakes get fix on the end of the tenor, a better system comes up, better personality comes up, better policies comes up.. (I am not a fan of democracy but), almost all the system if survive identify the issues and fixes it.. And "Moves on"..

Say in Pakistan, 1947-57 power struggle among berucrecy, 1958-70 Marshal Law, 1971 separation (again due to power struggle), 1972-79 some political era ended by a power struggle, 1979-88 Marshal Law, 1988-99 musical chair between two stooges, 1999-2007 again marshal law, 2008 NRO handed over the system to most corrupt person on the planet.

Now again same thing.. same power struggle.. and you are expecting thing will prosper if this struggle continue?

We have examples of China, India, Singapore who were corrupt to it's core, but they are grew eventually due to political stability.

& Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, or even Turkey which aren't doing very well due to instability.

Today PTI is making an practice, where any other party will do same to bring down other party.. more power struggle..

I hate to act as oracle and make predictions about future but as you have made but my dear its my understanding of the Pakistani politics & others will understand with the passage of time that future of Pakistani politics will be divided among two blocks Pro-Imran or Anti-Imran vote bank .....

until some xyz establishment fade up from Imran and a new guy come in town to bring down Imran Khan..

 

[HRK]

Will you cut all this BS please.

I hope during the discussion we will remain respectful to each other, not just because that I respect others & their perspectives, but I respect myself as well.

I am ignoring this as the first sign of anger and hope that you will not let the situation go in any other direction, then the respect and understanding which we are sharing during our stay at this forum ..... at least in my understanding & I hope you will not prove it wrong.

Those guys were armed with dandas and gas masks days before the parliament attack. Because they knew the whole plan from day one. They came to Islamabad to create trouble. They were not protesters. They were anarchists and miscreants. The whole incident is reported on the media. We have seen these so called protesters using a truck to destroy the parliament's outer boundary. They also had a crane with them. We have seen them beating policemen in front of everyone. Peaceful protesters. Yeah right.

My dear who is responsible to let the situation go in that direction ????

Who is the one who denied the simple & basic right of the people to launch the FIR .... ???

My dear if you have forgotten; then let me remind you, In past government has not register the FIR of Hmid Mir incident with the argument that its the right of HM to launch the FIR against the whosoever the person he holds responsible, but the same right was denied for the others, may I ask Why ????

Investigation of HM incident was initiated even before the launch of FIR, but may I ask the status of the investigation of Model Town incident .... ???

BTW has it initiated or not ..... ???

& now You are terming them as Anarchist & Miscreant .... really ....???

BTW that anarchists & Miscreants let the media report their anarchy from their gathering ..... such a thoughtful anarchist they are .....

My dear you say Parliment was by attacked the people who took refuge there, I believe that Parliment was attacked by those who fired hundreds of rounds of Tear Gas & Bullets at the building of Parliment.

And much before that Parliment was attacked by those who violated the Constitution & rigged the elections.

Parliment was attacked by those who speak lie and only the lie at floor of Parliment

Parliment was attacked by those who abuse other state institution at the floor of the Parliament.

Parliment was attacked by those who attacked the apex court as well during their previous tenure

Parliment was attacked by those who were facilitated by Condoleezza Rice as Guarantor of Charter of Democracy signed in London

Parliment was attacked by those who are playing their part in the spread of sectarianism in this country

Parliment was attacked by those who propagate the idea of Rouge Army

Parliment was attacked by those who can't even face Karzai

Parliment was attacked by those who play the politics of ethnicity

If you think parliament has failed to provide people its due rights then ask your leader Imran Khan to play his role inside the parliament to force parliament to provide these rights. He would have done more for the country and for the people if he would have struggled inside the parliament instead of this drama outside the parliament.

its not just about IK but its about the people of Pakistan who need to play their role not just inside the Parliament but outside as well, as of now sanity and legitimacy of the Parliament is questioned.

secondly you and I can only comment or show our agreement or disagreement with the political strategy of PTI, you choosed to disagree with it, I choose to agree with it. its our choice I respect yours choice, but as a voter of PTI will vote again for PTI.

First go and make KPK a naya KPK before making naya Pakistan. Sikhs are leaving KPK for India and here this clown is fooling whole nation into the false dream of naya Pakistan. Protesters have right to ask for their constitutional rights. Not the anarchists of your PAT and PTI.

KPK is suffering because of FATA & FATA is the responsibility of Federal Government may I now what good Federal government has done for FATA from last 65+ years .... ??

My dear if some circle are so ignorant and till now has failed to understand and feel the change of NAYA Pakistan than plz allow me explain that a guy from Karachi is speaking for the rights of FATA & KPK, people from Punjab are standing for the rights of KPK is this not a change

May i ask you and all other who fail to understand the change of the concept of NAYA Pakistan

Can Nawaz Sharif claim to be a symbol of Federation ?

Zardari, Altaf Hussain, Asfand Yar Wali, Mehmood Khan Achek Zai, Aftab Sherpao, Moulana Fazal Ur Rehman or any other politician can they claim to represent whole of Pakistan or the Federation of Pakistan .....????

Can they ....????

But currently IK is the only leader who is gathering support from all provinces ...... can you deny this fact .....????

This is NAYA Pakistan ......

It doesn't matter why PTV headquarter was not protected. Question is why your leaders let their followers ransack the building. Why were they inciting them towards violence which led to this attack.

My dear my question was very much valid and but u are ignoring it, its your choice I will not press you further on this

secondly as I ask earlier who is responsible to let the situation gone to this level ....???

its the common people of Pakistan who is on the street of Islamabad no one can control them or influence them after the certain level its an issue & will remain so .....

Yes civil disobedience. It was an act against the state of Pakistan. IK is should be trialed under treason just because of this one only act if we ignore all the other nonsense by him.

I hope that you have read the constitutional clause related to treason, if not then would request you read it .....

The leader of naya Pakistan is asking oversea Pakistanis to send money through hundi. Really this is your naya Pakistan? You guys are doing more damage to Pakistan than TTP and then call yourself as patriot. If some leader from Sindh or Baluchistan would have said the same thing he would have been called a traitor by now and would have been arrested to try under treason act.

My dear read my previous post again I have ask you about the example of "Legality vs. Legitimacy" ...... but you have conveniently ignore it ...... your choice

If you can't differentiate b/w an organization which launch rockets, explode bombs, attacks arm forces, seek help from foreign forces, commit suicide bombing & responsible for killing of 60+ thousand civilians and other Pakistanis, on the other hand a political party who is seeking constitutional rights for the people of Pakistan, then my dear its may be your choice but plz allow to say there is something very wrong in your choice.

yes IK has asked people to go violent. There are several speeches in which that idiot has asked his followers to give phainti to policemen if they stop them. If giving phainti to police walas is not incitement to violence then what is?

& who many police wala has received that phainti till now .... ???

if you find it convenient to answer then I would like to ask you How many Police officers of ' 92 Karachi Operation" are still alive .... ???

& You insisting to call IK and PTI terrorist .....

Well the way things are going. PTI got some vote in the last elections from Karachi. This time they would lose even the NA-250 that they won in 2013 elections. Karachi is better without a guy like Imran Khan.

As I said earlier I will vote again so as the others voters, you know why, because we have no other choice I cant vote for MQM or Jamat-e-Islami

Even if those arrests were illegal then your leader did something equally illegal in return. State terrorism vs Imran terrorism. Your leader who is supposed to make naya Pakistan should have followed the legal path to release his followers.

My dear I don't know which incident your quoting & I don't want to assume something just by myself, plz narrate the incident & I will surely condemn the terrorism of IK "IF" he has done something what you are saying

 

[HRK]

Seriously, when before this beating the shit out of Law Enforcer were the heros? When Parliament attack, and PTV attack were normal things? When people were feeling proud of not paying tax, bills etc? Sorry dear, may be it was weak before, but now trashed completely.

And this is the "Writ of the State" not the examples you gave.


I didn't get it, who stopped anyone to protests. But does protest include degrading whole nation? whole state? all state institutions? Can you use fawl language? can you threat your prime minister on daily basis and call it part of Democracy? Ohh please, you are degrading not on personality but his identity.. who is the Chief Executive of Pakistan.

Agree there is no democracy, but why it is not? since this whole game of power struggle rather then systematically handover of the government? PTI is protesting to bring down government rather to do any reforms or audit of lost elections.

The beauty of democracy is mistakes get fix on the end of the tenor, a better system comes up, better personality comes up, better policies comes up.. (I am not a fan of democracy but), almost all the system if survive identify the issues and fixes it.. And "Moves on"..

Say in Pakistan, 1947-57 power struggle among berucrecy, 1958-70 Marshal Law, 1971 separation (again due to power struggle), 1972-79 some political era ended by a power struggle, 1979-88 Marshal Law, 1988-99 musical chair between two stooges, 1999-2007 again marshal law, 2008 NRO handed over the system to most corrupt person on the planet.

Now again same thing.. same power struggle.. and you are expecting thing will prosper if this struggle continue?

We have examples of China, India, Singapore who were corrupt to it's core, but they are grew eventually due to political stability.

& Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, or even Turkey which aren't doing very well due to instability.

Today PTI is making an practice, where any other party will do same to bring down other party.. more power struggle..


until some xyz establishment fade up from Imran and a new guy come in town to bring down Imran Khan..

Sorry to say only things in post worth responding, other arguments are the same as we here on daily basis & I don't wanna circle around the same corner; you are free to have your opinion ..... so as I .....

1- Who is stoping to protest : those who arrest protester in their way coming to D-Chwak and their way back, those who has set containers to hinder the free movement of common Pakistani.

2- Systematically handover of the government : that could only be possible if and only if current government could prove their legitimacy.

 

[Areesh]

I hope during the discussion we will remain respectful to each other, not just because that I respect others & their perspectives, but I respect myself as well.

I am ignoring this as the first sign of anger and hope that you will not let the situation go in any other direction, then the respect and understanding which we are sharing during our stay at this forum ..... at least in my understanding & I hope you will not prove it wrong.

It wasn't meant to disrespect for you but to call PAT and PTI workers as peaceful is BS. You can take it as disrespect but those gas masks wearing anarchists were not peaceful. They have no right to be called as protesters even. So again it is BS to call them peaceful.

Peaceful protesters. Right?

Investigation of HM incident was initiated even before the launch of FIR, but may I ask the status of the investigation of Model Town incident .... ???

Well even though you guys try to make Model Town incident as the biggest tragedy in this country. Even bigger than the fall of Dhaka. But now a FIR has been registered against every ABC of PML(N) including the PM at the behest of a Canadian citizen.

So let the law work in this case. Instead of using it again and again for political purposes.

BTW has it initiated or not ..... ???

FIR has been launched. The first demand of that Canadian moron.

& now You are terming them as Anarchist & Miscreant .... really ....??

That's what they are...

BTW that anarchists & Miscreants let the media report their anarchy from their gathering ..... such a thoughtful anarchist they are ....

Well in today's ear they can't force the media to stop broadcasting their "peaceful protest". It is because of media we were able to see peaceful protesters beating policemen and attacking the parliament and the PTV headquarters after being provoked by their leaders like IK.

My dear you say Parliment was by attacked the people who took refuge there, I believe that Parliment was attacked by those who fired hundreds of rounds of Tear Gas & Bullets at the building of Parliment.

Tear gas and bullets were fired when these anarchists moved towards PM house from D chowk. When IK and TuQ decided to move towards PM house so that they can get some dead bodies to do politics on. Unfortunately for them despite all the ruckus they didn't get enough dead bodies of their supporters. Only 4 people were killed. Certainly not a very satisying figure for IK and TuQ.

And much before that Parliment was attacked by those who violated the Constitution & rigged the elections

PTI has also rigged elections. Stop being saint all the time.

Parliment was attacked by those who speak lie and only the lie at floor of Parlimen

IK speaks lies in every speech at 9 pm daily.

its not just about IK but its about the people of Pakistan who need to play their role not just inside the Parliament but outside as well, as of now sanity and legitimacy of the Parliament is questioned

Agreed with it. They have every right to play their peacefully and shouldn't be fooled by thugs like IK and TuQ. They have every right to stand for their rights.

secondly you and I can only comment or show our agreement or disagreement with the political strategy of PTI, you choosed to disagree with it, I choose to agree with it. its our choice I respect yours choice, but as a voter of PTI will vote again for PTI.

You can vote for anyone. It doesn't matter.

KPK is suffering because of FATA & FATA is the responsibility of Federal Government may I now what good Federal government has done for FATA from last 65+ years .... ??

I like it when PTI fanboys try to hide their failure in KPK behind FATA. So you can't make naya KPK because of FATA. Your leader wants to open the governor house punjab for public but hasn't open CM house KPK for public. Is it also because of FATA? Pervez Khatak's whole family has been awarded different positions in the assembly and in the govt. Is it also because of FATA? PTI failed to fulfill its promise of holding local bodies elections. Is it also because of FATA? PTI supported TTP. Is it also because of FATA? IK wanted to hold talks with terrorists and murderers again and again despite whatever they do in return but doesn't want to talk to govt of Pakistan. Is it also because of FATA? PTI failed to deliver on many other of its promises. Is it also because of FATA?

My dear if some circle are so ignorant and till now has failed to understand and feel the change of NAYA Pakistan than plz allow me explain that a guy from Karachi is speaking for the rights of FATA & KPK, people from Punjab are standing for the rights of KPK is this not a change

We always raised our voice for people of FATA and Baluchistan. IK has nothing to do with it. In fact IK wanted to continue the reign of terror of TTP. It was us who opposed it and asked PA and GoP to take decisive action against TTP.

May i ask you and all other who fail to understand the change of the concept of NAYA Pakistan

Can Nawaz Sharif claim to be a symbol of Federation ?

Zardari, Altaf Hussain, Asfand Yar Wali, Mehmood Khan Achek Zai, Aftab Sherpao, Moulana Fazal Ur Rehman or any other politician can they claim to represent whole of Pakistan or the Federation of Pakistan .....????

Can they ....????

Neither can IK claim to represent the whole federation.

But currently IK is the only leader who is gathering support from all provinces ...... can you deny this fact .....????

Rubbish. IK has no or very little support in Baluchistan and interior Sindh. Even in Karachi it can never win on most of the seats.

My dear my question was very much valid and but u are ignoring it, its your choice I will not press you further on this
secondly as I ask earlier who is responsible to let the situation gone to this level ....???

IK and Canadian TuQ are the one who aggravated the situation to that level. They were the ones who provoked their followers towards such violence. Their speeches before this incident were a clear proof for that.

its the common people of Pakistan who is on the street of Islamabad no one can control them or influence them after the certain level its an issue & will remain so .....

It is just the murideen of a Canadian Mullah and fanboys of a former Cricketer who are on the streets of Islamabad creating all the trouble. Not the whole of Pakistan. Stop calling yourself as the whole of Pakistan. You are not the whole of Pakistan.

I hope that you have read the constitutional clause related to treason, if not then would request you read it .....

I believe their acts equal to treason. If Baloch leaders can be put to trial for writing a single slogan on a currency note against one unit then the actions of IK and TuQ are far worst.

My dear read my previous post again I have ask you about the example of "Legality vs. Legitimacy" ...... but you have conveniently ignore it ...... your choice

I don't think we need any legitimacy or legality to attack state institutions. So it is better to ignore it.

If you can't differentiate b/w an organization which launch rockets, explode bombs, attacks arm forces, seek help from foreign forces, commit suicide bombing & responsible for killing of 60+ thousand civilians and other Pakistanis, on the other hand a political party who is seeking constitutional rights for the people of Pakistan, then my dear its may be your choice but plz allow to say there is something very wrong in your choice.

It is not only me who equal PTI to TTP. Many people believe that PTI is a political wing of TTP. At first even I didn't agree with those guys. But looking at the way PTI has gone bonkers after the start of Operation Zarb e Azab. Nah I don't think they were much wrong. Only difference is that Hakim Ullah Mehsud in dead and Imran Khan Mehsud is alive.

& who many police wala has received that phainti till now .... ???

Check the pic above. "peaceful protesters" peacefully beating a policemen who is definitely enjoying the beating.

if you find it convenient to answer then I would like to ask you How many Police officers of ' 92 Karachi Operation" are still alive .... ???

Then go and file a petition against MQM. At least go and file a petition for the murder of your leader Zara Hussain whose murder your leader IK blamed on MQM without any proof.

& You insisting to call IK and PTI terrorist .....

The way PTI has done more protest at the arrest of DJ Butt then at the attacks of TTP, I don't know what else to call them.

As I said earlier I will vote again so as the others voters, you know why, because we have no other choice I cant vote for MQM or Jamat-e-Islami

Again your choice.

My dear I don't know which incident your quoting & I don't want to assume something just by myself, plz narrate the incident & I will surely condemn the terrorism of IK "IF" he has done something what you are saying

I am talking about that incident where your brave leader released his workers from the custody of police. What legal path he followed to release his workers? It looked like Adnan Rasheed type of jail break to release your comrades.

freeing innocent people is terrorist so may be every one in PTI will be terrorist. why would he wait and let the poor guys pay heavy amount for bail? u need warrant to arrest people. If police stop behaving like PMLN pet everyone would obey law.

So since he couldn't wait so he decided to go ahead and break rules and norms to release his followers, Very good.

I would have supported Imran Khan with same spirit had he been from Karachi or Makran, or any god forsaken town, simply because he speaks for Pakistanis.

He is speaking for himself so that he can become PM and do a doosri shadi.

 

[Fracker]

Sorry to say only things in post worth responding, other arguments are the same as we here on daily basis & I don't wanna circle around the same corner; you are free to have your opinion ..... so as I .....

1- Who is stoping to protest : those who arrest protester in their way coming to D-Chwak and their way back, those who has set containers to hinder the free movement of common Pakistani.

2- Systematically handover of the government : that could only be possible if and only if current government could prove their legitimacy.

Way back to D-Chowk, after breaking the gates of parliament, disgracing the Supreme court, penetrating the PTV build? Ohh please there was wording from Supreme Court to arrest them, if you missed something..

second, You need to allow government to prove it's legitimacy rather then put resignation gun and start saying we will drag up from your shirt bla bla... That demand was even accepted way before rally started? These are now useless, baseless things anymore. Audit, election reforms were offered before this rally, this is one truth which is hard for you guys to digest

My post were having realistic picture what happened in past and how it will be same in future due to this power struggle and federation degradation will continue because of these morons on the road.

 

[Leader]

He is speaking for himself so that he can become PM and do a doosri shadi.

hahahahahahahahaa.....

 

[HRK]

Before to reply to your post I would like to quote the signature of our fellow member of the forum @Fracker
"Problem is not the knowledge, but it's preconceived Ideas"
such a great message fracker is spreading for all of us .....

It wasn't meant to disrespect for you but to call PAT and PTI workers as peaceful is BS. You can take it as disrespect but those gas masks wearing anarchists were not peaceful. They have no right to be called as protesters even. So again it is BS to call them peaceful.

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Peaceful protesters. Right?

Now I am having a feeling that you are not reading any of my post carefully, in my previous post I asked a simple question repeatedly which you are ignoring till now .....

Who is responsible to let the situation to go this worse ..... ???

now just give few minutes to these questions as well ...

Who is responsible to create a situation of confrontation b/w the forces of state and citizens of the state ...???

Who used violence first in the current Political unrest .... ???

Who is responsible to convert a Political unrest in to a mild mobocracy or nihilism ....???

Who shot the first bullet .... ???

After all of this you are expecting them; not to react, not to respond .... lot of people are showing their concern regarding the sticks those protesters have in their hands, but there is no concern about the increase crime rate, murder rate, extortion rate, rapes, Kidnapping .... why .. ???

Just compare the crime rate of Pakistani Punjab and Indian Punjab you would be surprised and these "two Shareef characters" are ruling this province from last 7 years consecutively, people should not react, people should not stand, people should not respond.

My dear action and reaction are in the nature of Human beings, it is the rule of The Nature. I can't imagine in which world these special breed of elites and their sympathizers lives who are expecting common people not to react ,not to respond, is there no law and no rule applicable in their world not even the Rules of Nature ..... ???

Well even though you guys try to make Model Town incident as the biggest tragedy in this country. Even bigger than the fall of Dhaka. But now a FIR has been registered against every ABC of PML(N) including the PM at the behest of a Canadian citizen.

That might not be the biggest tragedy in this country, but just because of this reason one should not stand , should not protest, should not ask for justice, should not try to make it the "LAST INCIDENT" , or do you want them to become the practical example of this ????

Hadsey se bara SANIHA ye hua
k loog thehrey nahi hadsa dekh kar

& should wait for another Fall of "....." ????

Let me remind you that the said FIR also have a 7 ATA clause of Anti terrorism act in it and according to the Anti Terrorism Act sec 21-B clause-1, a JIT has to be formed to investigate the matter, I am sure; you must be aware that till now no JIT has been ordered, as CM Punjab is the one who has the authority to form the JIT.

Qadri may have the citizenship of Canada, but those who were murdered that day was the citizen of Pakistan ..... can you deny Justice to them just because a Canadian citizen is raising his voice for them ..... ???

I am not quit sure and correct me if I am wrong, according to citizenship law of Pakistan Canada falls under the category of the countries allowed for Pakistanis to have DUAL NATIONALITY ....

Has Qadri denounce his Pakistani Nationality can you confirm this ....???

& 'If' he still hold Pakistani Nationality how can anyone deny his right to participate in local politics ???

Is there any Law, which can bar or deny the basic right of Qadri ???

Right to seek Justice, Right of assembly .....????

So let the law work in this case. Instead of using it again and again for political purposes.

How the Law will work my dear ... How ???

its almost 3 months have passed and the investigation has not been initiated till now .... IS THIS THE SYSTEM OF JUSTICE you want to prevail ....???

CM is the Head of the provincial Police & Police higher-ups who are still on duty are the part of accused persons list under that FIR and you are saying "let the law work" .

Is the hierarchy or the machinery of law is working .... ???

FIR has been launched. The first demand of that Canadian moron.

An achievement indeed ....

But really it is or its the practical example of incompetency of our system and subjugation of our whole nation that after almost two and half months, coming from Lahore to Islamabad and at cost of around 8 more deaths and the unknown number of arrest Qadri got the FIR registered .....

Is it really an achievement .... ???

Or it is something to be ashamed off ..... ????

Your call .....

That's what they are...

its your understanding .... you call them miscreants .... you call them anarchist

But I consider them as someone who stands for my rights, for your rights, and for their right of Justice.

Well in today's ear they can't force the media to stop broadcasting their "peaceful protest". It is because of media we were able to see peaceful protesters beating policemen and attacking the parliament and the PTV headquarters after being provoked by their leaders like IK.

Ya they can't force the media, but someone actully tried to force the media whom you are forgetting ... "GEO KA NAM LO GEO KA" ....???

Taking cameraman out of the van and giving him the treatment of the Hospitality of Punjab Police.

Try to understand that currently Islamabad is facing mobocracy a "Mild Mobocracy", one can only influence a mob to a certain extent not beyond that, before it goes out of hand its Government responsibility to defuse the situation but no ..... Main Tu Istifa nahi don ga , Main tu Bandey Maron ga ..... because I am the PM got elected in a rigged election. who care if my legitimacy is dubious.

Now as far as PTV is concern I have said earlier It was a condemn-able act, but who did it can you point toward those without any doubts .....???

I ask you previously Why the PTV building was not protected as any other Building of Red zone .... ???

If you remember Radio Pakistan office in the red zone was shifted to Rawalpindi in the very first few days of Dharna, but no proper measures were there to protect the PTV, why ....???

Why the "Angry Mob" not entered in Pakistan Secretariat Building just opposite to PTV ....???

Angry Mob attacked the PTV, but PTV restarted its transmission in less than half an hour or some say with in twenty minutes .... such a controlled attack ..... No Major Damage ... just job done ????

Tear gas and bullets were fired when these anarchists moved towards PM house from D Chowk. When IK and TuQ decided to move towards PM house so that they can get some dead bodies to do politics on. Unfortunately for them despite all the ruckus they didn't get enough dead bodies of their supporters. Only 4 people were killed. Certainly not a very satisfying figure for IK and TuQ.

Is there any Law which bar any Citizen of Pakistan to protest Infront of PM house .....???

Is PM above the all of the Nation ....???

Why four more killing ... ????

PTI has also rigged elections. Stop being saint all the time.

Easy solution accepts the demand of Election audit, close the chapter .... hang every single person who was involved in the rigging .....

It does not matter if they belong to PTI

Why government is still hesitant to accept this demand .... ?????

IK speaks lies in every speech at 9 pm daily.

Hang him .... is IK more important for the Government or the people of Pakistan ...???

Give to people; what they want, isolate the IK 'if' he is a liar; what is stopping the government they have all the power to do whatever they wnat as per their wishes ....???

IF GOVERNMENT & THERE SUPPORTER STILL THINKS THAT IK IS THE PROBLEM NOT THE GENERAL PUBLIC OUT THERE IN ISLAMABAD THEN THERE IS NO ONE WHO CAN SAVE THEM TO GO DOWN IN HISTORY WITH DISGRACE

Agreed with it. They have every right to play their peacefully and shouldn't be fooled by thugs like IK and TuQ. They have every right to stand for their rights.

Yes every other person is a fool but not the NS and their supporters.....

I like it when PTI fanboys try to hide their failure in KPK behind FATA. So you can't make naya KPK because of FATA. Your leader wants to open the governor house punjab for public but hasn't open CM house KPK for public. Is it also because of FATA? Pervez Khatak's whole family has been awarded different positions in the assembly and in the govt. Is it also because of FATA? PTI failed to fulfill its promise of holding local bodies elections. Is it also because of FATA? PTI supported TTP. Is it also because of FATA? IK wanted to hold talks with terrorists and murderers again and again despite whatever they do in return but doesn't want to talk to govt of Pakistan. Is it also because of FATA? PTI failed to deliver on many other of its promises. Is it also because of FATA?

- If Pervaiz Khatak's family is getting undue benefits than Why the nooras and diesel are still tolerating them they should throw PK's family out, present your case to the public & convince them rule the KPK what the big deal ???

- has every other provincial government conducted local government elections ....??? , PPP and PML-N is in government from last 7 consecutive years ....

KPK government is working on the system of local government

- On the one hand some people say PTI and IK are the Taliban supporters but also termed the rallies of PTI and their political gathering as Dance parties and musical functions they should make up their mind.

- As far as dialogue with Taliban is concerned, plz name me any party who oppose the Dialogues with them not even PML-N, JUI-F, PPP, MQM or ANP ....

- If PTI has failed to perform in KPK, then this should not worry the NS & their supporters PTI will be history soon .....

We always raised our voice for people of FATA and Baluchistan. IK has nothing to do with it. In fact IK wanted to continue the reign of terror of TTP. It was us who opposed it and asked PA and GoP to take decisive action against TTP.

yes it was the collective wisdom of the Nation of Pakistan which supported the army, but not a single political party was representing that wisdom at that time ...

Neither can IK claim to represent the whole federation.

popular votes of the last elections tell a a different story .....

Rubbish. IK has no or very little support in Baluchistan and interior Sindh. Even in Karachi it can never win on most of the seats.

Never under estimate your opponent .... PTI is the second biggest party of Karachi by popular votes and manages to get the 2nd highest votes even in Layari and in 90 area ....

IK and Canadian TuQ are the one who aggravated the situation to that level. They were the ones who provoked their followers towards such violence. Their speeches before this incident were a clear proof for that.

It was IK and TUQ who killed 14 people in Lahore ??

It was IK and TUQ who rigged elections ????

It was IK and TUQ who denied the registration of FIR ????

It was IK and TUQ who is hesitant till today for election audit ...???

It was IK and TUQ who killed 4 more in Islamabad ???

It was IK and TUQ who blocked the roads of Lahore and Islamabad ??

It was IK and TUQ who besieged the Model Town Lahore for 10 days ???

It was IK and TUQ who used 35 punchers .... ???

It is just the murideen of a Canadian Mullah and fanboys of a former Cricketer who are on the streets of Islamabad creating all the trouble. Not the whole of Pakistan. Stop calling yourself as the whole of Pakistan. You are not the whole of Pakistan.

Fanboys of IK oh come on dear don't be so naive IK played cricket in 70s & 80s get retired in 92 world cup since then 2 generation of cricketers has passed and third is playing now. IK is gathering support from teens and young people of less than the 30 years and you are saying his fanboys are supporting him ....

Do you remember any single match of IK, hack even I remember only one ball of World Cup in which he got the wicket & that too because of the PTV and all other channel who repeated it so many times. IK is around 62 years old guy, a member of the old generation and you are saying that Young generation is supporting IK because he won World cup when most of his supporters and voters were not even born or were in their childhood .... ????

Oh bhai not even the attire of IK is of this era ..... and you think people follow him because of Charisma or Glamour ????

In Mulatn , In Azad Kashmir, In Sialkot all those people who were chanting "GO NAWAZ GO" were the fanboys of IK or the Murideen of TUQ ...???

BTW if we do not have the right to call us whole of the Pakistan than no one hold that right .....

I believe their acts equal to treason. If Baloch leaders can be put to trial for writing a single slogan on a currency note against one unit then the actions of IK and TuQ are far worst.

So you are still stuck up in the era of Ayub Khan Martial Law, hack even the constitution and laws were different at that time .... BOLTA PAKISTAN zada maat deka karooo .......

I don't think we need any legitimacy or legality to attack state institutions. So it is better to ignore it.

again your opinion and you are free to have your opinion .... but the crux of the this debate is simple

"How a Parliment , Government , Prime Minister, and the whole of the system which came in existence in the results of an election who's moral and legal authority is dubious can remain functional ?????

It is not only me who equal PTI to TTP. Many people believe that PTI is a political wing of TTP. At first even I didn't agree with those guys. But looking at the way PTI has gone bonkers after the start of Operation Zarb e Azab. Nah I don't think they were much wrong. Only difference is that Hakim Ullah Mehsud in dead and Imran Khan Mehsud is alive.

have already replied this part above in this post .....

additionally I want to Know

Military is supporting Imran Khan Mehsud & writing a script for him ...... such a nice jock don't you think ???

Check the pic above. "peaceful protesters" peacefully beating a policemen who is definitely enjoying the beating.

already replied earlier in this post ...

Then go and file a petition against MQM. At least go and file a petition for the murder of your leader Zara Hussain whose murder your leader IK blamed on MQM without any proof.

file a petition .... Oh come on you are also a Karachiit can you deny this fact ???

BTW I would advice you again to check, just for the sack of knowledge who many Police officer of 92 operation are alive today ... ???

The way PTI has done more protest at the arrest of DJ Butt then at the attacks of TTP, I don't know what else to call them.

was only DJ butt arrested that day Dear 3,165 is the official figure of the arrestees; send to jail on judicial remand ....

Again your choice.

its not just my choice its my conclusion .....

I am talking about that incident where your brave leader released his workers from the custody of police. What legal path he followed to release his workers? It looked like Adnan Rasheed type of jail break to release your comrades.

- Was there any FIR against those workers ???

- Was there any Judicial Order against those workers ??

- Was there any Warrant of arrest against those workers ???

- What laws those worker have violated ???

- Why Police officer was saying "Shaib Majoobroi Hai" ... ??

I am sure you must have listen this in the video, and if you have watched that video carefully you must have noticed that after the release of innocent and common Pakistani from Police their belonging were in possession of the Police officers/ personals

Do you even know under Pakistan Penal Code clause number 359, 362,365, 365A & 368 Police were committing the crime of Kidnapping and the punishment for Kidnapping is 7 years of Jail and fine ...????

& you believe that IK committed an unlawful act ....

So since he couldn't wait so he decided to go ahead and break rules and norms to release his followers, Very good.

Responded above .....

He is speaking for himself so that he can become PM and do a doosri shadi.

Bahi Mare Doosri Shadi kay liya PM ban na Zaroori nahi hai ......

Dear are we here to debate for the sake of debate or to analysis the situation?

If we are here just to debate than really non of my so many questions which I have raised during our conversation are really that important, as you are here to tell your side of the story, belives and preconceive ideas and I am for my side of the story, but if that is not the case then try respond every single question not to me but to yourself. That's how I reached to this conclusion, with which you may agree or disagree.

As of now, for you and for so many others; IK and TUQ is so much important that all of their debate and arguments are based on these two personalities not on their demands, even if IK is a liar and TUQ is a joker people are with them out there , why the government is not trying to win the hearts of people and defeat both of these PERSONALITIES ??? Why ???

What those people are demanding Justice, Social Equality & Election Audit are these unlawful or unconstitutional demands.... ???

Way back to D-Chowk, after breaking the gates of parliament, disgracing the Supreme court, penetrating the PTV build? Ohh please there was wording from Supreme Court to arrest them, if you missed something..

second, You need to allow government to prove it's legitimacy rather then put resignation gun and start saying we will drag up from your shirt bla bla... That demand was even accepted way before rally started? These are now useless, baseless things anymore. Audit, election reforms were offered before this rally, this is one truth which is hard for you guys to digest

My post were having realistic picture what happened in past and how it will be same in future due to this power struggle and federation degradation will continue because of these morons on the road.

You have your truth and your side of the story and I have my truth my story, neither you could convince me with your arguments, nor I prefer to convince you.

I can live with it.

 

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[Jaanbaz]

They both would have been dead by now or being forced out of Pakistan and labelled as traitors.

 

[Areesh]

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Oh you bloody racist. How can you say that IK and TuQ are getting VIP treatment despite all the nonsense by them. A VIP treatment that leaders of Sindh and Baluchistan cannot even think of.

 

[HRK]

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Just to straight some facts & History,

- In 1993 it was PPP Government in Sindh

- Syed Abdullah Shah was the Chief Minister of Sindh.

- Dr. Shoaib Sudel is considered as a close Associate of Mr. Asif Ali Zardari (in 'certain matters'), further it is advice to check the posting Mr. Sudel received during the last tenure of PPP government (2008-2013)
http://pk.linkedin.com/pub/dr-muhammad-shoaib-suddle/28/a85/642

- KARACHI: Six associates of Murtaza Bhutto acquitted in `encounter` case
5 Dec 2009 (During the Last Government of PPP)
According to the prosecution, on Sept 20, 1996 Murtaza Bhutto and his supporters were coming back after attending a public meeting in Surjani Town when the police intercepted them near his Clifton residence to check the vehicles and arrest some workers wanted in a criminal case.

The prosecution claimed that on the directives of Murtaza Bhutto his workers allegedly fired at the police, wounding ASP Shahid Hayat and the SHO of the Clifton police station, Inspector Haq Nawaz Sial, and killing a taxi driver, Muhammad Bachal.

A case (FIR 386/1996) was registered against the accused under Sections 147 (punishment for rioting), 148 (rioting, armed with deadly weapon), 149 (every member of unlawful assembly guilty of offence committed in prosecution of common object), 186 (obstructing public servant in discharge of public functions), 353 (assault or criminal force to deter a public servant from discharge of his duty), 427 (mischief causing damage to the amount of fifty rupees), 302 (premeditated murder) and 324 (attempt to commit qatl-i-amd) and 34 (common intention) of the Pakistan Penal Code at the Clifton police station on the complaint of Inspector Haq Nawaz Sial, who later committed suicide under highly mysterious circumstances.

The then SSP Wajid Ali Durrani, SP Shakeeb Ahmed Qureshi, ASP Shahid Hayat, Inspector Agha Muhammad Jamil, Sub-Inspector Khurrum Waris and other policemen were the prosecution witnesses in the case.

Would request to all readers just to read the Names of All Police officials and decided Is any one of them by any mean consider anti PPP officers or they are enjoying a status of Jiyala of PPP

Shoaib Suddle, Wajid Durrani, Masood Sharif, Shahid Hayat, Rai Mohammed Tahir, Shabbir Ahmed Qaimkhani, Agha Mohammed Jameel and other policemen are nominated in the case.

President Asif Ali Zardari was also one of the accused in the case, but the court had acquitted him for want of evidence.

- Zardari involved in my father’s death: Fatima Bhutto

“The streetlights were switched off, and the roads leading to 70, Clifton were blocked by the police. They (police) were scattered all over the area- on trees and buildings and on the roads. As soon as my father was identified, a signal was given to shoot. He was shot at several times. The autopsy clearly showed that he had been shot at point blank range from behind.”

Benazir was the Prime Minister of Pakistan at the time of Murtaza’s killing. After her government was dismissed in 1996, Asif Ali Zardari (now Pakistan President) was detained for allegedly being involved in the ghastly act. Fatima and her stepmother Ghinwa Bhutto have often hinted that they believe Benazir or her widower Zardari were responsible for Murtaza’s death. Zardari was acquitted due to lack of evidence as the scene of Murtaza`s assassination was wiped clean before investigators could arrive.

- An Excerpt from the Book " Murtaza Bhutto"

• NO COMMENTS FROM BENAZIR & NUSRAT ON MURTAZA S' DEATH

KARACHI, Sept. 21, 1996: Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her mother Nusrat, who Saturday returned to Pakistan from London to attend her son's funeral, have so far made no comments on Murtaza Bhutto's death. Benazir went to the airport to receive her mother when she arrived but it was kept strictly a family affair and nobody else was allowed to accompany them. Sources in the Bhutto family said the ailing mother was not informed of her
son's death until she reached Karachi.

• Just before his death Mir Murtaza Bhutto, 42 had slammed the government, warning it not to arrest him without warrant. There would be trouble if the Police try to arrest me without a warrant he had declared.

- Fatima Bhutto the Daughter or Ghanva Bhutto the wife of Murtaza Bhutto never accused Punjab, Military or establishment for Murtaza Bhutto Murder as Mr. HM is trying to portray in the last lines of his column.

Is this an honest article every reader should decide by his/her your own ...... ????

 

[Patriots]

When mama qadeer was marching from Balochistan to Islamabad on foot, he was tortured one way or another by the hidden hands. All he asked was to properly prosecute the missing baloch youth. But he was not only given a cold shoulder but also was forced to go back empty handed. He never attacked the parliament, nor he charged on the PM house or PTV. But his demands were simple against the "National Interest".
This needs to end now. We can't live anymore with double standards.

Mama Kadeer is a BLA garbage ..........

 

[SBD-3]

Mama Kadeer is a BLA garbage ..........

Thank you for the BS contribution to the thread

 

[Patriots]

Thank you for the BS contribution to the thread

You wouldn't accept as a supporter of an Indian stooge