What if China and US went on a Full scale war ?

[antonius123]

On my end, I said, RAND DID NOT SAY THAT IN THE REPORT SUPPLIED BY LOGAN NYE. The quote above is the proof, and nowhere did the report even mention ASAT in the capacity Logan Nye put in. And The report suggested that China will STILL LOSE A WAR WITH US IN 2025. I had prove my point, it's time for you to prove yours.

You said according to RAND: China still lose a war with US in 2025?

It is you who is twisting RAND statement. Please read again the RAND conclusion below:

Conclusion

Although advances in targeting enable conventional counter force warfare and reduce U.S. war fighting dominance, they do not point to Chinese dominance or victory. War between the two countries could begin with devastating strikes; be hard to control; last months, if not years; have no winner; and inflict huge losses on both sides’ military forces.
The longer such a war would rage, the greater the importance of economic, domestic political, and international effects.
While such nonmilitary effects would fall hardest on China, they could also greatly harm the U.S. economy and the United States’ ability to meet challenges worldwide. The United States should make sensible preparations to wage a long and fierce war with China. But it should also develop plans to limit the scope, intensity, and duration of a war; tighten up its system of civilian control; and expand communications with China in times of peace, crisis, and war.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html


So the war will end up with NO WINNER

 

[rashid.sarwar]

Nuclear side is not discussed, what if one chooses nuclear weapon to attack/defend itself...

 

[jhungary]

You said according to RAND: China still lose a war with US in 2025?

It is you who is twisting RAND statement. Please read again the RAND conclusion below:

Conclusion

Although advances in targeting enable conventional counter force warfare and reduce U.S. war fighting dominance, they do not point to Chinese dominance or victory. War between the two countries could begin with devastating strikes; be hard to control; last months, if not years; have no winner; and inflict huge losses on both sides’ military forces.
The longer such a war would rage, the greater the importance of economic, domestic political, and international effects.
While such nonmilitary effects would fall hardest on China, they could also greatly harm the U.S. economy and the United States’ ability to meet challenges worldwide. The United States should make sensible preparations to wage a long and fierce war with China. But it should also develop plans to limit the scope, intensity, and duration of a war; tighten up its system of civilian control; and expand communications with China in times of peace, crisis, and war.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html


So the war will end up with NO WINNER

Did you read the full report? And where is the full paragraph?

It saids in full

But, by 2025, that gap could be much smaller. Even then, however, China could not be confident of gaining military advantage, which suggests the possibility of a prolonged and destructive, yet inconclusive, war. In that event, nonmilitary factors — economic costs, internal political effects, and international reactions — could become more important.

Although a war would harm both economies, damage to China's would be far worse.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html


I have proved mine with this: http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/rand-report-war-with-china-us-loses-2025

Your prove / citation doesnt deny my citation.

If you can't find the similar statement from official RAND site, please visit this and find it, it is in pdf:

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html

Your point is

This is what RAND said:

"Both belligerents have anti-satellite weapons (ASAT) that are nearly invulnerable to attack, meaning that both countries will be able to destroy a substantial portion of each other’s satellites. The destruction of the American satellite constellation would be especially problematic for the rest of the world since nearly all GPS units connect to American satellites."
http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/rand-report-war-with-china-us-loses-2025

Please show me where exactly in RAND webstie said that?

You keep showing Logan Nye Blog which is not referring to anything RAND actaully said. I want to know where exactly did RAND said what you claim above. Show me where in RAND webpage said that. Not where in Wearethemighty.com That is Not RAND website and have no affliation to RAND.