What friends say about Pakistan in private -Wikileaks

[Aafiya]

Its so funny....they ally themselves with the biggest kufr nation in the planet and call them brothers.....while at the same time calling foul on everyone else. Hypocrisy at its zenith.

 

[Aafiya]

Yup it was not our choice that our neighbours are Indians, but it is our burden to bear.. so true..

rest of your post is just a "parrot talk" which apparently every Indian is doing.. I think its better for you to wake up and smell the coffee.. Tide is changing if you haven't noticed yet..

which tide are we talking about here?! Last time i checked Pakistan was going down the same fate as Afghanistan and India rising. If you're talking about video games or day dreams...... I Would like to remind you that we are discussing reality here....

 

[Guest01]

Yup it was not our choice that our neighbours are Indians, but it is our burden to bear.. so true..

rest of your post is just a "parrot talk" which apparently every Indian is doing.. I think its better for you to wake up and smell the coffee.. Tide is changing if you haven't noticed yet..

Thanks for the words. I empathize with you. I will not comment on how we are neighbours and different religions. That is irrelevant today. We are here and that is the truth that matters.

The point is where to go from here. I can understand that you may find me repetitive but for once to move beyond that to concentrate on the message that i am trying to convey. It is important that you at least give a moment to understand as to why pakistan is where it is. You have to do that thinking. You have to care for the citizens, your countrymen who are dying in these bomb blasts. Ans then maybe you will ask gen. Kiyani that what is the honor and gairat for a mother who loses her son and a family which lose a generation.

how can this strategic depth and dichotomy against terrorism help that father of two who may have died on the street today at the hands od these assets?

 

[redrj]

@Guest...Yeah i meant pakistani administration (especially army circle), not the common man who's paying the price with his life...

And frankly, pakistan has to revamp it's democratic system to build a strong and stable civilian government(with a backbone) if they ever want respect and friendship with world countries...Hope that the youth of pakistan will realize and continue their efforts to change the chaos happening there...Be sure, a country where military has key decision making power over it's civilian government will never surge to prosperity.....

 

[toxic_pus]

I am waiting for the ruling mate.. Until then, slow down tiger.. hanoz dehli door ast

Headley is USG witness testifying against Rana for his (Rana's) involvement in Mumbai massacre and attempted Denmark killings. The trial is not trying to establish that they were involved in these two incidents. The Court is proceeding considering these as established matter of fact. The trial is about finding if Rana was involved in it voluntarily and knowingly helped Headley. Defense, i.e. Rana's lawyers, is trying to establish that Rana was duped into all those.

May be you should follow this trial more closely before trying to be clever by half.

 

[redrj]

Yup it was not our choice that our neighbours are Indians, but it is our burden to bear.. so true..

rest of your post is just a "parrot talk" which apparently every Indian is doing.. I think its better for you to wake up and smell the coffee.. Tide is changing if you haven't noticed yet..

Dont' think that if you close your eyes everyone will be in dark, it's only you who couldn't see.....

Every man with average knowledge abt international affairs could know that who's burden for whom.....

 

[Zeluvaa]

Muslims from India making recommendations? Please prepare an answer for the day of judgement that you sided with the idol worshippers against fellow muslims.

Did the Muslim fellowship go out the window when terrorist, harboured and in some cases trained by Pakistan, killed innocent Muslims alongside innocent Hindus in their attacks in India?

Where was your ummah and brotherhood then?

I sure hope you have an answered prepared for judgement day too, God judges based on what is right and what is wrong, not some delusional brotherhood theory.

 

[Guest01]

I am waiting for the ruling mate.. Until then, slow down tiger.. hanoz dehli door ast

Forget delhi my friend. These terrorists that your army patronizes are killing your definition of muslims in a neighbourhood near you.

You should worry about that my friend. Delhi ka jo hoga wo hoga. think about your pakistan first.

 

[toxic_pus]

What is absolutely nauseating is that, in one breath they would swear by Ummah and then in the very next breath they would be disparaging Muslims of India, just because they are Indian.

thekedar of Islam. By azz.

 

[Guest01]

What is absolutely nauseating is that, in one breath they would swear by Ummah and then in the very next breath they would be disparaging Muslims of India, just because they are Indian.

thekedar of Islam. By azz.

Classic case of trying to fool all the people for all the time!

 

[Rafael]

I did not want to write on this forum before but the above comment prompts me to. "fellow Muslims"? Where was the fellowship when you send your rag tag bunch of terrorists into Mumbai? Where was this "fellowship" when your country killed our men? Allah swt stands with the righteous not the terrorists! I am not surprised when people go fidayee against you.

You have no claim on Indian Muslims.

As if you are one holy and superior race that everybody would like to claim. You over estimate your importance too much

 

[Rafael]

Its so funny....they ally themselves with the biggest kufr nation in the planet and call them brothers.....while at the same time calling foul on everyone else. Hypocrisy at its zenith.

Ignorance is bliss

 

[third eye]

Ejaz-Muslim Indian, you seem continue bashing Pakistan through Wikileaks, you believe them?

Wikileaks BS, strange CIA didn't destroy this network in exposing US secret or fiction!

Why are we shooting the messenger ?

Lets discuss the issue raised. Personally I am not in complete agreement with all what is written but a fair amount is correct. Further, based on what I have read here posted by Pakistanis post OBL most seem to agree.

 

[EjazR]

Instead of discussing the article, some people are indulging in name calling and personal attacks which is regrettable.

It is laughable that being an Indian muslims is even being bandied about as some sort of a negative when they despite having the 2nd largest population of muslims are well known to not be involved in international terrorism. So much so that even the US with all its intelligence capabilities has claimed as such in one of the wikileaked cables. http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...s-indian-muslims-reject-extremist-creeds.html

Indian muslims will continue to server the cause of Islam by spreading the true teachings of Islam and practicing it in their own lives and trying to remove the bad image that has been given to it by actions of some. And if you follow what is happening then you would relise how much this is true. But lets leave the "muslimness" factor aside.
Infact, I don't think I would be in the minority view when I saythat extremist groups like Taliban, LeT, JuD based in or supported by Pakistan has done much much more to damage Islam than anything else globally.

The problem is that posters here don't see the hypocrisy of the army/ISI in Pakistan and have been brainwashed. But the TTP/AQ see the hypocrisy and attack them with clarity. Their logic if someone is willing to understand it is quite clear. They consider the PA/ISI as a stooge of the US.

The PA/ISI leadership is hands in glove with the US and stroke anti-Americanism on on ehand and take money/benefits from the US on the other. The average Pakistani ofcourse doesn't see this until something like the OBL raid happens. Or wikileaks reveal that the the Army chief was ok with and wanted more drone coverage. The the double policies suddenly come out in the open.

The propaganda makes "some" Pakistanis think that PA/ISI is protecting the "muslim world". Or like Zaid Hamid style, the PA/ISI will be first to be called for help if a "muslim country" is in need for help.

The wikileaks shows what even Saudis and the UAE think which were probably the closest of the Arab states to Pakistan. And if you go back to the 90s, many forget that Iran, the Central Asian states and Turkey all of who were muslim majority states supported the Northern Alliance as well.

Its time to end the hypocrisy by the Pakistani leadership and the people of Pakistan to demand this. If not, its ofcourse your land. The only problem is that Islam gets associated with actions there and affects other muslims unfortuantely. I try explain that Pakistani actions don't have anything to do with Islam and are just power politics but I do get tired saying the same thing again and again.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The PA/ISI leadership is hands in glove with the US and stroke anti-Americanism on on ehand and take money/benefits from the US on the other. The average Pakistani ofcourse doesn't see this until something like the OBL raid happens. Or wikileaks reveal that the the Army chief was ok with and wanted more drone coverage. The the double policies suddenly come out in the open.

Well said. This I've said years ago to one of the moderators here too when we were having a discussion on drone strikes - why does your army think you are unworthy of the truth and not even tell U?

They are being taken for a ride, and their analyses - you are an indian muslim and hence any links posted by you from pakistan sources are invalid.

Pretty intellectual, eh! Not really, but pretty standard here.