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Iran's defense industry can produce all types of weapons. Iran produces armor, helicopters, drones, air defenses, artillery, ballistic and cruise missiles, trainer aircrafts, ships.

Over the next 2-5 years Iranian defense industry might unveil new equipment: Kowsar-88 trainer, Besat submarine, Khalij fars destroyer, Shahed-216 heavy attack helicopter, Ghaem SLV, maybe some new APC or IFV.

Over the next 5 years, Iranian defense industry will mature and will be able to produce any type of military equipment.

However, there is one thing Iran will not be able to produce for many years- truly advanced fighter aircraft.

If you look at Qaher-313 it looks like a hybrid of ground effect vehicle and a light fighter. It can't match 4th generation fighters in speed or other parameters.

In my opinion it is designed to be a stealth platform that flies low over the Persian Gulf at subsonic speed (like a ground effect vehicle) and launches anti-ship missiles at oil tankers in the Gulf or US navy vessels. At the same time it can fight American helicopters and drones with air-to-air missiles.

In my opinion, designing a weapon that can threaten oil traffic in the Persian Gulf and US navy, at the same time a weapon that can protect Iranian speedboats from US Navy helicopters in the Straight of Hormuz is more important that trying to design a fighter that will not be able to compete with American F-22 or Saudi F-15.

At the same time designing Qaher will help to develop Iranian aerospace industry and provide experience for Iranian engineers.

But Qaher-313, when it will fly, will not be comparable to Israeli or Turkish F-35s or American F-22s. Qaher has weak engine, radar, avionics- it is probably designed for a role in the waters of the Persian Gulf.

It is a long way for Qaher-313 to become a truly 5th generation fighter.

Iran has engineers experienced in radars, airframe, avionics. So over time Iran has a base for developing a truly advanced fighter with advanced radar, avionics, stealth airframe, but it will take time-decades.

After Qaher-313 as a subsonic light fighter-ground effect vehicle will fly. It might take 15 years for industry preparation, research and development and in 2035 Iran might unveil its first 5th generation fighter- 15 years from now- enough time to turn F-313 into a truly 5th generation fighter. Then it will take additional 5 years for testing.

(It took a decade for the Russians to design T-50 and it took many years to test. Making a fighter takes a decade or longer.)

So 15 years for developing and 5 years for testing= 20 years from now. Somewhere in 2040 Iranian 5th generation fighter, (comparable to Chinese J-31) will be ready for mass production.

BUT

Since it will take a long time for Iran to develop its own 5th generation fighter, the question is what aircraft IRIAF will have before 2040?

While Kowsar (improved F-5) can serve as a good trainer (like how Americans use T-38) it can't be a basic fighter for IRIAF, because Israel and Turkey will purchase over 100 F-35s.

What aircraft should Iran buy, after sanctions banning purchase of weapons will be lifted in 2020? Iran can't fly F-4 and F-5 until 2040.

Mig-29, Mig-35, Su-27, even Su-30 can not be an option for IRIAF, since these 4th generation fighters will become obsolete in 5-10 years as F-35 enters mass production and regional countries like Israel and Turkey buy F-35s.

4th generation fighters have no future and if Iran buys aircraft they will have to be in service until 2050.

So there are few options for Iran: Su-35 or T-50 or J-31.

I think Iran needs to buy 50 Su-35 in the period 2020-2025 and 100 J-31 in the period 2025-2032.

Your comments and opinions....What is the future of IRIAF? Since today F-4 and F-5 are aircrafts for museums....what aircraft Iran should buy and in what quantity?
 
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Qaher 313 is a good attempt to create a fighter. The most important aspect of this project is that under this project Iranian defense industry develops aerospace infrastructure and trains engineers. But experience from Russia and US shows that to turn F-313 into a truly 5th generation will take decade or longer. Also designing advanced turbofans engine is difficult so future Iranian 5th generation will have to use Chinese or Russian engine.
 
Iran's defense industry can produce all types of weapons. Iran produces armor, helicopters, drones, air defenses, artillery, ballistic and cruise missiles, trainer aircrafts, ships.

Over the next 2-5 years Iranian defense industry might unveil new equipment: Kowsar-88 trainer, Besat submarine, Khalij fars destroyer, Shahed-216 heavy attack helicopter, Ghaem SLV, maybe some new APC or IFV.

Over the next 5 years, Iranian defense industry will mature and will be able to produce any type of military equipment.

However, there is one thing Iran will not be able to produce for many years- truly advanced fighter aircraft.

If you look at Qaher-313 it looks like a hybrid of ground effect vehicle and a light fighter. It can't match 4th generation fighters in speed or other parameters.

In my opinion it is designed to be a stealth platform that flies low over the Persian Gulf at subsonic speed (like a ground effect vehicle) and launches anti-ship missiles at oil tankers in the Gulf or US navy vessels. At the same time it can fight American helicopters and drones with air-to-air missiles.

In my opinion, designing a weapon that can threaten oil traffic in the Persian Gulf and US navy, at the same time a weapon that can protect Iranian speedboats from US Navy helicopters in the Straight of Hormuz is more important that trying to design a fighter that will not be able to compete with American F-22 or Saudi F-15.

At the same time designing Qaher will help to develop Iranian aerospace industry and provide experience for Iranian engineers.

But Qaher-313, when it will fly, will not be comparable to Israeli or Turkish F-35s or American F-22s. Qaher has weak engine, radar, avionics- it is probably designed for a role in the waters of the Persian Gulf.

It is a long way for Qaher-313 to become a truly 5th generation fighter.

Iran has engineers experienced in radars, airframe, avionics. So over time Iran has a base for developing a truly advanced fighter with advanced radar, avionics, stealth airframe, but it will take time-decades.

After Qaher-313 as a subsonic light fighter-ground effect vehicle will fly. It might take 15 years for industry preparation, research and development and in 2035 Iran might unveil its first 5th generation fighter- 15 years from now- enough time to turn F-313 into a truly 5th generation fighter. Then it will take additional 5 years for testing.

(It took a decade for the Russians to design T-50 and it took many years to test. Making a fighter takes a decade or longer.)

So 15 years for developing and 5 years for testing= 20 years from now. Somewhere in 2040 Iranian 5th generation fighter, (comparable to Chinese J-31) will be ready for mass production.

BUT

Since it will take a long time for Iran to develop its own 5th generation fighter, the question is what aircraft IRIAF will have before 2040?

While Kowsar (improved F-5) can serve as a good trainer (like how Americans use T-38) it can't be a basic fighter for IRIAF, because Israel and Turkey will purchase over 100 F-35s.

What aircraft should Iran buy, after sanctions banning purchase of weapons will be lifted in 2020? Iran can't fly F-4 and F-5 until 2040.

Mig-29, Mig-35, Su-27, even Su-30 can not be an option for IRIAF, since these 4th generation fighters will become obsolete in 5-10 years as F-35 enters mass production and regional countries like Israel and Turkey buy F-35s.

4th generation fighters have no future and if Iran buys aircraft they will have to be in service until 2050.

So there are few options for Iran: Su-35 or T-50 or J-31.

I think Iran needs to buy 50 Su-35 in the period 2020-2025 and 100 J-31 in the period 2025-2032.

Your comments and opinions....What is the future of IRIAF? Since today F-4 and F-5 are aircrafts for museums....what aircraft Iran should buy and in what quantity?


well, European fighters may also be good options, along with Russia and China, I expect a combination of all three manufacturers for Iran in next two decades .
 
The idea that Qaher might be a subsonic stealthy platform designed to fly low over the Persian Gulf and attack ships and helicopters came to me when I saw these sensors...

and also the wings look like a ground effect vehicle
 

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Iran's defense industry can produce all types of weapons. Iran produces armor, helicopters, drones, air defenses, artillery, ballistic and cruise missiles, trainer aircrafts, ships.

Over the next 2-5 years Iranian defense industry might unveil new equipment: Kowsar-88 trainer, Besat submarine, Khalij fars destroyer, Shahed-216 heavy attack helicopter, Ghaem SLV, maybe some new APC or IFV.

Over the next 5 years, Iranian defense industry will mature and will be able to produce any type of military equipment.

However, there is one thing Iran will not be able to produce for many years- truly advanced fighter aircraft.

If you look at Qaher-313 it looks like a hybrid of ground effect vehicle and a light fighter. It can't match 4th generation fighters in speed or other parameters.

In my opinion it is designed to be a stealth platform that flies low over the Persian Gulf at subsonic speed (like a ground effect vehicle) and launches anti-ship missiles at oil tankers in the Gulf or US navy vessels. At the same time it can fight American helicopters and drones with air-to-air missiles.

In my opinion, designing a weapon that can threaten oil traffic in the Persian Gulf and US navy, at the same time a weapon that can protect Iranian speedboats from US Navy helicopters in the Straight of Hormuz is more important that trying to design a fighter that will not be able to compete with American F-22 or Saudi F-15.

At the same time designing Qaher will help to develop Iranian aerospace industry and provide experience for Iranian engineers.

But Qaher-313, when it will fly, will not be comparable to Israeli or Turkish F-35s or American F-22s. Qaher has weak engine, radar, avionics- it is probably designed for a role in the waters of the Persian Gulf.

It is a long way for Qaher-313 to become a truly 5th generation fighter.

Iran has engineers experienced in radars, airframe, avionics. So over time Iran has a base for developing a truly advanced fighter with advanced radar, avionics, stealth airframe, but it will take time-decades.

After Qaher-313 as a subsonic light fighter-ground effect vehicle will fly. It might take 15 years for industry preparation, research and development and in 2035 Iran might unveil its first 5th generation fighter- 15 years from now- enough time to turn F-313 into a truly 5th generation fighter. Then it will take additional 5 years for testing.

(It took a decade for the Russians to design T-50 and it took many years to test. Making a fighter takes a decade or longer.)

So 15 years for developing and 5 years for testing= 20 years from now. Somewhere in 2040 Iranian 5th generation fighter, (comparable to Chinese J-31) will be ready for mass production.

BUT

Since it will take a long time for Iran to develop its own 5th generation fighter, the question is what aircraft IRIAF will have before 2040?

While Kowsar (improved F-5) can serve as a good trainer (like how Americans use T-38) it can't be a basic fighter for IRIAF, because Israel and Turkey will purchase over 100 F-35s.

What aircraft should Iran buy, after sanctions banning purchase of weapons will be lifted in 2020? Iran can't fly F-4 and F-5 until 2040.

Mig-29, Mig-35, Su-27, even Su-30 can not be an option for IRIAF, since these 4th generation fighters will become obsolete in 5-10 years as F-35 enters mass production and regional countries like Israel and Turkey buy F-35s.

4th generation fighters have no future and if Iran buys aircraft they will have to be in service until 2050.

So there are few options for Iran: Su-35 or T-50 or J-31.

I think Iran needs to buy 50 Su-35 in the period 2020-2025 and 100 J-31 in the period 2025-2032.

Your comments and opinions....What is the future of IRIAF? Since today F-4 and F-5 are aircrafts for museums....what aircraft Iran should buy and in what quantity?

The upcoming modernised Su-30SM will be a better option than Su-35, an offshoot of India's MKI MLU program. Even Mig-35 is better than Su-35 due to its more modern configuration. Su-35 is not due for modernisation anytime soon.

So Iran should consider buying 2 squadrons of modernised Su-30SM with AESA radar and start license production of Mig-35 in significant numbers, 100+.

As for a next gen aircraft, Iran can consider becoming a partner in the new LMFS from Mig. Iran can then easily transition from a Mig-35 line to an LMFS line.

Chinese aircraft are an option as well, but I don't know if license production will work out. I think Iran is much closer to Russia than China, but the Chinese are looking for customers for its J-10C. A combination of Su-30SM and J-10C can also work out, but you need one of them license produced in significant numbers. Iran can consider becoming a partner in the J-31, along with license production.
 
Iran can consider becoming a partner in the J-31, along with license production.

That is right. Iran should buy J-31 with license production. Or buy J-31 with technology transfer.
Any aircraft Iran will buy should be comparable to F-35 because Israel and Turkey will them 100 of them in near future
 
That is right. Iran should buy J-31 with license production. Or buy J-31 with technology transfer.
Any aircraft Iran will buy should be comparable to F-35 because Israel and Turkey will them 100 of them in near future
Why not Su-57?
 
That is right. Iran should buy J-31 with license production. Or buy J-31 with technology transfer.
Any aircraft Iran will buy should be comparable to F-35 because Israel and Turkey will them 100 of them in near future

You still need to produce a 4th gen jet before that.

The LMFS would be a much better option compared to J-31. You can be sure that the Russians will do their best to make sure the LMFS is competitive with the F-35 since the F-35 is a direct threat to them. The same cannot be said for the J-31 if the Chinese only want it as an export grade aircraft.

The LMFS will likely be built around the PAK FA's engine. So it will also be a single engine aircraft like the F-35, but more dedicated to air superiority. A much better option than the J-31.

Why not Su-57?

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Iran's GDP is $440B.
 
Do you think FC-31 is much cheaper than Su-57?

I've already explained in the same post. The single engine LMFS is a much better option.

Russia i think already abandoned the project of Su-57 and move to the next gen fighters some news article said

No such thing's happened.

Read Russian news for information on PAK FA. Not American or British. They don't know anything.
 
Why not Su-57?
Unlike Chinese, Russians are slow at doing business. Also even Indians are not satisfied with Su-57 claiming it is not very stealthy. Also Russia has lower rate of production for Su-57 meaning the price will be higher and also Russia's industrial capabilities are lower than Chinese.

After 2020 China will produce many J-31s per year so there is economy of scale, higher industrial capacity and lower price per unit.

Also story of S-300 delivery to Iran shows that Russia wants to use weapon delivery to Iran as a bargaining tools with the West. Unlike Russia, China buys Iranian oil and will not use weapon sales to Iran as a bargaining tools with the West and also China as a huge country is immune to pressure from USA

Overall dealing with the Chinese superpower with its huge military spendings and industrial capacity and dependence on Iranian oil is better than to deal with Russia which frustrated the Indians with their Su-57, progress slowly with their aerospace industry and use Iran as a bargaining tool

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Iran's GDP is $440B.

Iran's GDP is 1.7trl PPP and 440bln at exchange rate.
But Israel's GDP is smaller and they buy 100 F-35s
Iran is comparable to Turkey, so if Turkey buys 100-130 F-35s, Iran can buy J-31 once it is offered for export.
 

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