What Does the United States Get from its Relationship with Israel?

[Selous]

There are plenty of states which were created as result of REAL ethnic cleansing . But you dont give a damn about it and cry about fake ethnic cleansing.


Yep. You lied about decades of ethnic cleansing.


Again you are lying. On contrary, even some Arabs admit that their false propaganda and calls of eviction caused refugees:

Ironically they did it again recently. During 2006 war Nasrallah called Arabs to evacuate Haifa exactly as their leaders did in 1948:

Nasrallah Urges Arabs to Leave Haifa

But this time contrary to 1948 Arabs did not listen him:

Haifa's Arabs: We won't leave city - Israel News, Ynetnews


Arabs left as result of war they started. Arabs started a war and it caused refugees from both sides. What happened is VERY similar to events in during partition of India in 1947.


Neither Israel eject anyone. Jews offered Arabs to live as equals. But they started a war and fled. There were Arabs who did not start war and no one touched them. For example Druze officially declared neutrality and not a single Druze became a refugee. If Arabs were not starting a war there would not be any refugees, not Jewish mot Arab.


The only racist here is you, who lives on stolen land and has a nerve to preach me morals.

Plus you dont care about all other countries who made REAL ethnic cleansing, but only whine about Israel.


LOL. You are complaining and whining like a girl here all the time.

A video does not change history nor do the incompetencies of the Arabs in the 20th century justify what the Israelis are doing today.

 

[Kaniska]

The reason for Muslims being vocal on this issue has more to do with Western bias and them allowing Israel to get away with actions (or in most cases facilitate them) that if anyone else did would be at least condemned. Which we definitely can’t say the same about Tibet where most of its support comes from the West and your logic seems to be if you don’t know or criticize everyone who’s being oppressed (even if you aren't aware of this oppression) then you have no right to criticize Israel which is a rather unrealistic/odd stance to have.

Now you are trying to eat your own words....How does it matter whether West Support or not...If you are for the oppressor people in this world, then you do not need to validate your reason with the prism of the West....Why do not you say like this?...You are worried about Palestine because they are Muslims...And you really donot give a damn about others....Then i can understand...But do not make yourself, as a holy person supporting the oppressed people irrepective of religion...I am very open in my thought...I will stand for them who stand for me...Religion is not issue for me...But my nation is more imp for me..I do not really give a damn about who is oppressed or not...

 

[Kyoto]

Now you are trying to eat your own words....How does it matter whether West Support or not...If you are for the oppressor people in this world, then you do not need to validate your reason with the prism of the West....Why do not you say like this?...You are worried about Palestine because they are Muslims...And you really donot give a damn about others....Then i can understand...But do not make yourself, as a holy person supporting the oppressed people irrepective of religion...I am very open in my thought...I will stand for them who stand for me...Religion is not issue for me...But my nation is more imp for me..I do not really give a damn about who is oppressed or not...

I agree a lot of Muslims are pro-Palestine because they see Muslims dying. I personally am disgusted with Israel, Pakistan, Burma, China etc for their racism but Israel especially because a lot of people in developed countries think they are doing the right thing in self-defence.

 

[jammersat]

Jews Are Returning To Germany

Are the U.S. and Israel Headed for a Split?


Michael Cohen published an article in Foreign Policy a couple of days ago in which he argues that the future of the U.S.-Israel relationship will be marked by “less cooperation, more disagreements, and greater tension.” The piece is headlined “The Democrats Are Finally Turning Away From Israel” with the inflammatory subhead “And it’s high time they did,” but this does not reflect Cohen’s core arguments, and I am 100% confident that he had nothing to do with the title in any way (having been published in FP on numerous occasions, I can say from personal experience that the editors choose the title on their own and the first time the writer even knows about it is when it goes live on the website).

What Cohen argues is that the relationship is being strained and slowly pulled apart by bad personal relationships between President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu, Israel actively trying to prevent a deal between the U.S. and Iran by working Congressional channels, differing strategic priorities in the region, and a widening gap between the two countries’ worldviews.

In Cohen’s analysis, all of these factors mean that support for Israel in the U.S. will wane as the U.S. government finds it increasingly difficult to justify or explain bad Israeli behavior – particularly on the Palestinian front – and that the U.S. will no longer rush to defend Israel from pressure coming from Europe. Furthermore, Cohen foresees the politics of Israel changing in the U.S. as support for Israeli behavior among American Jews wanes and as Israel identifies more and more with Republicans, making support for Israel less politically important for Democrats.



The Democrats Are Finally Turning Away from Israel |


Support for Israel was once one of the few issues on which both Democrats and Republicans could agree.

 

[hussain0216]

Jews Are Returning To Germany

Are the U.S. and Israel Headed for a Split?


Michael Cohen published an article in Foreign Policy a couple of days ago in which he argues that the future of the U.S.-Israel relationship will be marked by “less cooperation, more disagreements, and greater tension.” The piece is headlined “The Democrats Are Finally Turning Away From Israel” with the inflammatory subhead “And it’s high time they did,” but this does not reflect Cohen’s core arguments, and I am 100% confident that he had nothing to do with the title in any way (having been published in FP on numerous occasions, I can say from personal experience that the editors choose the title on their own and the first time the writer even knows about it is when it goes live on the website).

What Cohen argues is that the relationship is being strained and slowly pulled apart by bad personal relationships between President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu, Israel actively trying to prevent a deal between the U.S. and Iran by working Congressional channels, differing strategic priorities in the region, and a widening gap between the two countries’ worldviews.

In Cohen’s analysis, all of these factors mean that support for Israel in the U.S. will wane as the U.S. government finds it increasingly difficult to justify or explain bad Israeli behavior – particularly on the Palestinian front – and that the U.S. will no longer rush to defend Israel from pressure coming from Europe. Furthermore, Cohen foresees the politics of Israel changing in the U.S. as support for Israeli behavior among American Jews wanes and as Israel identifies more and more with Republicans, making support for Israel less politically important for Democrats.



The Democrats Are Finally Turning Away from Israel |


Support for Israel was once one of the few issues on which both Democrats and Republicans could agree.

Israel is becoming a tough place to live

i think over a million Israelis don't even live in israel

 

[jammersat]

Israel is becoming a tough place to live

i think over a million Israelis don't even live in israel

A tough place to live in? that's jewish propaganda !

jews live and unfortunately reproduce both in and out of israel , there are at least 13 million jews in israel and 42 million worldwide

Not to mention they recruit from neglected communities such as indians , american indians , chinese and vietnamese

 

[hussain0216]

A tough place to live in? that's jewish propaganda !

jews live and unfortunately reproduce both in and out of israel , there are at least 13 million jews in israel and 42 million worldwide

Not to mention they recruit from neglected communities such as indians , american indians , chinese and vietnamese

the jew population around the world is about 14 million

israels population Is approximately 8 million of which 6 million are jews of which around 1 million do not live in israel

between Gaza, west bank and Israel muslims/ arabs are close to forming the majority a situation that will only increase


israels often revel in bravado but take a look and they face a number of major political financial problems

 

[jammersat]

the jew population around the world is about 14 million

israels population Is approximately 8 million of which 6 million are jews of which around 1 million do not live in israel

between Gaza, west bank and Israel muslims/ arabs are close to forming the majority a situation that will only increase


israels often revel in bravado but take a look and they face a number of major political financial problems

well you are entiteled to your own opinion , but i don't believe those figures , just like the holocaust is overrated , the jewish population is underreported , only it's not as controversial so jews manage to keep it a secret

wikipedia says iran has 3,978 jews , iran has 40,000 + jews infact , there are more jews in iran than zoroastrians!

What is the REAL Jewish World Population? - henrymakow.com

Most sources put Jewish world population at around 13 million but researcher
Edgar Portisch, who is part-Jewish, puts the number at closer to 120 million. - See more at: What is the REAL Jewish World Population? - henrymakow.com

 

[Developereo]

There are plenty of states which were created as result of REAL ethnic cleansing . But you dont give a damn about it and cry about fake ethnic cleansing.

The issue is not what others did. The issue here is the racist Jews who colonized Palestine and ejected people because they were the "wrong" ethnicity/religion.

Your continued attempts to divert attention from the racist Jewish colonization aren't fooling anybody.

Yep. You lied about decades of ethnic cleansing.

Sure.

Me, Israeli intelligence officers, Iaraeli historians are all "lying" to malign the poor innocent Jewish racists.

The only racist here is you, who lives on stolen land and has a nerve to preach me morals.

Spare me the anti-Semitism defence. It has outlived its usefulness in deflecting Israeli atrocities.

LOL. You are complaining and whining like a girl here all the time.

I am not whining.

I am pointing out how the Jewish victimhood song is getting old and is not going to save you guys any longer from the truth.

For a moment let us buy out your theory....If your support is for oppressed people, what is your stand about Tibet? China even done much more to Tiber people than Isreal. In Palestine issue, there is a huge uplroar over settling non muslims in Palestine zone...But in Tibet, China just changed demography of Tibet by continiously bringing Han population to Tibet...It is a forced occupation by China....Where do you stand in this regard?

Irrelevant red herring.

By your logic, if one doesn't work against hunger in every single part of the world, then one must not work against hunger in any part of the world.

If you don't act against rape in Johannesburg, then you must not act against rape in New Delhi.

The fact remains that the Palestinians cause is a humanitarian cause, but the Jewish colonialists have created a defence shield by wrapping the issue in religious terms so people will be reluctant to criticize Jews..

 

[500]

The issue is not what others did.

Everything is relative. When you whine all the time about Palestinians and ignore real ethnic cleansing that makes u double faced hypocrite. There were refugees during the war 1947-1948 started by the Arabs. Same as it happened during the partition of India.

The issue here is the racist Jews who colonized Palestine and ejected people because they were the "wrong" ethnicity/religion.

That never happened. 1.6 million Arabs live in Israel and over 5 million Arabs live in Palestine.

Sure.

Me, Israeli intelligence officers, Iaraeli historians are all "lying" to malign the poor innocent Jewish racists.

You keep lying. No sane historian says there were decades of ethnic cleansing.

Spare me the anti-Semitism defence. It has outlived its usefulness in deflecting Israeli atrocities.

You are living on stolen land.
I live on legally bought land.

What anti-Semitism has to do with these facts?

I am not whining.

Of course u come to each thread and start whining. Why u racist awww awww. Why u colonize. Awww aww

 

[AgentOrange]

they recruit from neglected communities such as indians , american indians , chinese and vietnamese

What do you mean by that? Recruit as in convert to their religion or recruit as in propagandize politically?

 

[Special Delivery]

Much of the support for Israel is a consequence of Cold War politics. Had so many Arab nations not been aligned with the Soviet Union, things might have turned out a little different.

 

[jammersat]

What do you mean by that? Recruit as in convert to their religion or recruit as in propagandize politically?

Both , the latter being much more reinforced rather than the former

 

[AgentOrange]

Both , the latter being much more reinforced rather than the former

IMO, most East Asians I've met tended to be pretty neutral with regards to Israeli/Palestinian issues. Idk if it's different in the States though. You're right about some Indians blindly supporting Israel however. We see that here on PDF. I remember reading some years back, an article by some Indian fellow claiming how modern Western societies were built upon Judeo-Christian-Hindu Values.

 

[atatwolf]

Jews Are Returning To Germany

Are the U.S. and Israel Headed for a Split?


Michael Cohen published an article in Foreign Policy a couple of days ago in which he argues that the future of the U.S.-Israel relationship will be marked by “less cooperation, more disagreements, and greater tension.” The piece is headlined “The Democrats Are Finally Turning Away From Israel” with the inflammatory subhead “And it’s high time they did,” but this does not reflect Cohen’s core arguments, and I am 100% confident that he had nothing to do with the title in any way (having been published in FP on numerous occasions, I can say from personal experience that the editors choose the title on their own and the first time the writer even knows about it is when it goes live on the website).

What Cohen argues is that the relationship is being strained and slowly pulled apart by bad personal relationships between President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu, Israel actively trying to prevent a deal between the U.S. and Iran by working Congressional channels, differing strategic priorities in the region, and a widening gap between the two countries’ worldviews.

In Cohen’s analysis, all of these factors mean that support for Israel in the U.S. will wane as the U.S. government finds it increasingly difficult to justify or explain bad Israeli behavior – particularly on the Palestinian front – and that the U.S. will no longer rush to defend Israel from pressure coming from Europe. Furthermore, Cohen foresees the politics of Israel changing in the U.S. as support for Israeli behavior among American Jews wanes and as Israel identifies more and more with Republicans, making support for Israel less politically important for Democrats.



The Democrats Are Finally Turning Away from Israel |


Support for Israel was once one of the few issues on which both Democrats and Republicans could agree.

Food prices are very high in Israel. A lot of Jews are struggling to make a living. I know Jews returning to Germany but also the Netherlands.