What do Indians think about it?

[indian_foxhound]

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feel it... feeling is awesome.....

 

[Dillinger]

Only because it detracts from the famous words put there originally & because it is clear from what follows.

Liberty to practice you faith and belief is religious tolerance.

Secularism is the absence and separation from religion in the matter at hand. Quick example:- The US instituted a law that clamped down on stem cell research (specifically human embryo research) because of bible thumpers- perfectly in line with the exact semantic definition of tolerance not so much with secularism OR the anti-abortion laws thanks to the Catholics (Ireland)- you can sue the working place for serving pork chops but you can't get an abortion even if it kills you- as one unfortunate Indian origin lady found out. Bhai hum kafi dheet log hain, at least we Biharis are, best to keep things simple and spelled out exactly. Semantics are important for us people man.

 

[Anubis]

Btw, the phrase "We the People" is a phrase common to the U.S. & Indian constitutions alone and it is "We" who gift the Constitution to ourselves unlike most other references in different Constitutions.

We, the people of Bangladesh, having proclaimed our Independence on the 26th day of March,
1971 and through a historic war for national independence, established the independent, sovereign
People's Republic of Bangladesh;
Pledging that the high ideals of absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah, nationalism, democracy and socialism meaning economic and social justice, which inspired our heroic people to dedicate themselves to, and our brave martyrs to sacrifice their lives in the war for national independence, shall be fundamental principles of the Constitution;
Further pledging that it shall be a fundamental aim of the State to realise through the democratic
process to socialist society, free from exploitation-a society in which the rule of law, fundamental
human rights and freedom, equality and justice, political, economic and social, will be secured for
all citizens;
Affirming that it is our sacred duty to safeguard, protect and defend this Constitution and to maintain itssupremacy asthe embodiment of the will of the people of Bangladesh so that we may prosper in freedom and may make our full contribution towards international peace and co-operation in
keeping with the progressive aspirations of mankind;
In our Constituent Assembly, this eighteenth day of Kartick, 1379 B.S corresponding to the fourth
day of November, 1972 A.D., do hereby adopt, enact and give to ourselves this Constitution.

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

Mere words on paper..not in practice.

 

[Bang Galore]

Liberty to practice you faith and belief is religious tolerance.

Are you suggesting that India was not secular till Indira Gandhi came along..? There is plenty in the constitution to make the secularism part amply clear, the preamble by its very definition can only accommodate so much. In any case, that is my opinion & I'm not really too bothered by that word being there. If it makes you happy so be it, who am I to grudge you that.

 

[kurup]

Every India should be made to study this from 5th class. So that they'll remember this like alphabets and numbers.

It is already a part of the curriculum . I remember studying it ......

 

[Bang Galore]

@RiasatKhan

Thanks. I stand corrected.

 

[Dillinger]

Are you suggesting that India was not secular till Indira Gandhi came along..? There is plenty in the constitution to make the secularism part amply clear, the preamble by its very definition can only accommodate so much. In any case, that is my opinion & I'm not really too bothered by that word being there. If it makes you happy so be it, who am I to grudge you that.

Making things clear by implying them without the EXACT word is not what legal documents do. Legal documents are exact, semantically accurate and not even an apostrophe can be misplaced. Try writing up a companies incorporation sometime- you'll find out and that's some low stuff to give to the ROC. THIS is the constitution. And no, India is secular only in its nature and policies- not in its governing parties and people (largely)- our policies are secular because our constitution despite the absence of said term during our founding years was still tight enough to keep foolish policies out. Mad respect for the nation and its struggle but I don't put our founding fathers on a pedestal exactly, in case we've forgotten Gandhi wasn't on for secularism he was just deep into tolerance. That gap got filled by Indira Gandhi, one out of the only four good things she did in her life.

 

[notsuperstitious]

We, the people of Bangladesh, having proclaimed our Independence on the 26th day of March,
1971 and through a historic war for national independence, established the independent, sovereign
People's Republic of Bangladesh;
Pledging that the high ideals of absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah, nationalism, democracy and socialism meaning economic and social justice, which inspired our heroic people to dedicate themselves to, and our brave martyrs to sacrifice their lives in the war for national independence, shall be fundamental principles of the Constitution;
Further pledging that it shall be a fundamental aim of the State to realise through the democratic
process to socialist society, free from exploitation-a society in which the rule of law, fundamental
human rights and freedom, equality and justice, political, economic and social, will be secured for
all citizens;
Affirming that it is our sacred duty to safeguard, protect and defend this Constitution and to maintain itssupremacy asthe embodiment of the will of the people of Bangladesh so that we may prosper in freedom and may make our full contribution towards international peace and co-operation in
keeping with the progressive aspirations of mankind;
In our Constituent Assembly, this eighteenth day of Kartick, 1379 B.S corresponding to the fourth
day of November, 1972 A.D., do hereby adopt, enact and give to ourselves this Constitution.

You also know some pencil pusher in delhi just copied that from Indian constitution

Joking.

 

[Anubis]

You also know some pencil pusher in delhi just copied that from Indian constitution

Joking.

LOL.....it is actually a translation....the original one is in Bangla and can be translated in different ways!

 

[notsuperstitious]

LOL.....it is actually a translation....the original one is in Bangla and can be translated in different ways!

Then obviously the translation is wrong and you only did it because you live in the US but love India

 

[Anubis]

Then obviously the translation is wrong and you only did it because you live in the US but love India

HAHAHA.....I am trying to attract Indian Bengalis to form unified Bangladesh!You Bengali??

 

[notsuperstitious]

HAHAHA.....I am trying to attract Indian Bengalis to form unified Bangladesh!You Bengali??

Nope. But you can take Mamata Didi and zoliwale naxal apologists. We are keeping the beautiful eyed dusky girls.

 

[Bang Galore]

Making things clear by implying them without the EXACT word is not what legal documents do. Legal documents are exact, semantically accurate and not even an apostrophe can be misplaced. Try writing up a companies incorporation sometime- you'll find out and that's some low stuff to give to the ROC. THIS is the constitution. And no, India is secular only in its nature and policies- not in its governing parties and people (largely)- our policies are secular because our constitution despite the absence of said term during our founding years was still tight enough to keep foolish policies out. Mad respect for the nation and its struggle but I don't put our founding fathers on a pedestal exactly, in case we've forgotten Gandhi wasn't on for secularism he was just deep into tolerance. That gap got filled by Indira Gandhi, one out of the only four good things she did in her life.

Not really, she added "socialistic" and that's pretty much rubbish. Nothing much gets written in the preamble except the very basic, that is why there is the constitution. The Constitution is not just the preamble That addition was meaningless & can easily be edited out by another 2/3rd majority. What cannot be removed is the secularism inherent in the Constitution itself which is now protected by the Supreme Courts "Basic structure doctrine" which makes the secular structure of the constitution unalterable.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

HAHAHA.....I am trying to attract Indian Bengalis to form unified Bangladesh!You Bengali??

But be careful then! You'll get treated to never ending "Rabindra Sangeet". How will your compatriots like that?