What do Indians celebrate on 15th August?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We did played a small role in independence of BD...

A little bandage for a large hurt ego.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You are historically incorrect... India was divided into two parts... India and Pakistan (east and west)

Factually incorrect. British Indian Empire was divided into two dominions of Pakistan and India.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

The only one to grow is Bangladesh. The losers since 1947 are -

India ~ was given Kashmir but lost 1/3 of it to Pakistan 'raiders' and after sven decades still has not got it back.
Pakistan ~ lost East Bengal to Bangladesh.

I normally agree with you but that is not true. Kashmir was independent in 1947 under the Dogra Raj until Pakistan invaded. It was not until it had captured modern day AJK and GB that the Maharaj acceded to India, and India was able to capture Srinagar. The UN then allocated Kashmir the way it is. India actually captured parts of Pakistani Baltistan in 71 as part of the Shimla agreement.

India also wanted Gilgit and entire of Kashmir region , We india , Pak both suffered loss as well as we failed to get few cities.
No doubt western countries used this partition for their own benefit.
Anyway this is achievement that we got seperate country. India got freedom from British too but with sacrifice of partitions.

Yes but you also wanted the entirety of JK state, as well as some Muslim majority regions within India. We all lost something at partition, that is how compromise works, especially when your fate is determined by a third party. The real question is who is better off today, and I think I have already articulated my opinion on that question.

 

[Peshwa]

The only one to grow is Bangladesh. The losers since 1947 are -

India ~ was given Kashmir but lost 1/3 of it to Pakistan 'raiders' and after sven decades still has not got it back.
Pakistan ~ lost East Bengal to Bangladesh.

Are you sure India lost BD?
Coz I remember you very clearly stating that (modern day) India and Pak came out of British colonies.
And Kashmir was an independent state for which the fight still continues.

But India added Sikkim, AP, siachen, Goa, Hyderabad states to its Territory since ‘47, while Pakistan got broken into two with approx 30% of its land and nearly half of Its people separated into a new land.

Hell let me take it one step further, Muslim majority states (and also the richest of the states) of Punjab and Bengal which should have gone entirely to Pakistan based on the partition plan were actually partitioned with India taking a huge chunk and important cities like Calcutta all to itself.

If that’s not gain, I dunno what is.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Muslim leaders fought a long time for Muslim rights and eventually Pakistan. You are minimizing their effort.

Minimizing and lessening the role of Muslims seems like a common tactic in India today, but your historical revisionism has no place outside your country.

You took Kashmir from Kashmiris, and it will return to us. Your stay is temporary and you know it.

More Hindus over a wider area, of course you got a a larger piece of land. Pakistan, however, is way more strategic and important throughout world history than Hindustan ever was.

Quaid e Azam got a nation which included all the Muslim majority provinces, excluding Kashmir which was stolen. We still managed to rout Indians from half of Kashmir.

The arrogance on display in your post is phenomenal. How do you have room in your skull for so much hot air?







So you became Muslim just for this post.

More word games to make yourselves feel better about your losses. Sorry sunshine, we are here in Kashmir to stay. If you try to take Kashmir by force, it will be the same outcome as 47 when you failed to capture the independent state of Kashmir. And how is Pakistan more strategic than India? Paksitan at best has ONE trade route running through it connecting China with the Middle East. Historically, most trade occurred through the sea, and we control even today some of the world's most strategic waterways.

Maybe that's why we have far more trade than you.

Are you sure India lost BD?
Coz I remember you very clearly stating that (modern day) India and Pak came out of British colonies.
And Kashmir was an independent state for which the fight still continues.

But India added Sikkim, AP, siachen, Goa, Hyderabad states to its Territory since ‘47, while Pakistan got broken into two with approx 30% of its land and nearly half of Its people separated into a new land.

Hell let me take it one step further, Muslim majority states (and also the richest of the states) of Punjab and Bengal which should have gone entirely to Pakistan based on the partition plan were actually partitioned with India taking a huge chunk and important cities like Calcutta all to itself.

If that’s not gain, I dunno what is.

The partition of Bengal and Punjab made Jinnah especially heartbroken because all that territory was supposed to go to Pakistan. In the case of Bengal, we got Kolkata, the historical economic and cultural capital a=of Bengal, leaving Pak/Bd only with the historical backwater called Dhaka. some BDeshis still lament that loss to this day(No offence to Bangladesh people)

 

[Peshwa]

More word games to make yourselves feel better about your losses. Sorry sunshine, we are here in Kashmir to stay. If you try to take Kashmir by force, it will be the same outcome as 47 when you failed to capture the independent state of Kashmir. And how is Pakistan more strategic than India? Paksitan at best has ONE trade route running through it connecting China with the Middle East. Historically, most trade occurred through the sea, and we control even today some of the world's most strategic waterways.

Maybe that's why we have far more trade than you.

Are you seriously trying to teach strategic thinking to a bunch of people that are trigger happy and driven purely by emotion?!
I mean Kashmir was theirs to take and yet they lost it. Do you think they’re going to understand what you’re saying?
You might as well speak gibberish and they will come out understanding the same as you putting out a thoughtful response.
Don’t bother.

More word games to make yourselves feel better about your losses. Sorry sunshine, we are here in Kashmir to stay. If you try to take Kashmir by force, it will be the same outcome as 47 when you failed to capture the independent state of Kashmir. And how is Pakistan more strategic than India? Paksitan at best has ONE trade route running through it connecting China with the Middle East. Historically, most trade occurred through the sea, and we control even today some of the world's most strategic waterways.

Maybe that's why we have far more trade than you.


The partition of Bengal and Punjab made Jinnah especially heartbroken because all that territory was supposed to go to Pakistan. In the case of Bengal, we got Kolkata, the historical economic and cultural capital a=of Bengal, leaving Pak/Bd only with the historical backwater called Dhaka. some BDeshis still lament that loss to this day(No offence to Bangladesh people)

Jinnah did not want Partition. He used partition as a bargaining tool, but lost control of the situation as it picked momentum.
It was like holding a tigers tail, once you catch it, you can’t let go or the tiger will eat you alive.
That’s what the demand for partition was, the tigers tail.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And I want Pakistani's and Indian's to please look at the two flow charts below which sum up the events of 1947. Tell me which one is correct - No 1 or No 2?

 

[Peshwa]

And I want Pakistani's and Indian's to please look at the two flow charts below which sum up the events of 1947. Tell me which one is correct - No 1 or No 2?

Obviously Nos1.
Just add a third branch out of Pakistan called BD and it’s accurate. No branches for india

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Are you seriously trying to teach strategic thinking to a bunch of people that are trigger happy and driven purely by emotion?!
I mean Kashmir was theirs to take and yet they lost it. Do you think they’re going to understand what you’re saying?
You might as well speak gibberish and they will come out understanding the same as you putting out a thoughtful response.
Don’t bother.



Jinnah did not want Partition. He used partition as a bargaining tool, but lost control of the situation as it picked momentum.
It was like holding a tigers tail, once you catch it, you can’t let go or the tiger will eat you alive.
That’s what the demand for partition was, the tigers tail.

The fact is Jinnah did not want Pakistan to be only in the northwest. That was Rehmat ALi's idea. Jinnah wanted all Muslim majority regions in India to be under one flag. Which is why he insisted Bengal would be part of Pakistan, and why he wanted a "bridge" of muslim majority districts in Up and Bihar to connect the two. He also wanted Hyderabad to be part of Pakistan, similar to how Kalingrad is part of Russia. Unfortunately he lost all that, and even lost parts of Punjab and Bengal, which was not supposed to initially happen. Which is why he described what woud become Pakistan as "moth eaten"

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Jinnah did not want Partition. He used partition as a bargaining tool, but lost control of the situation as it picked momentum.
It was like holding a tigers tail, once you catch it, you can’t let go or the tiger will eat you alive.
That’s what the demand for partition was, the tigers tail.

Fantastic summation of the events. Jinnah did not want Pakistan. He wanted a constitutional architecture that would protect minority Muslims areas by leveraging the majority Muslim areas. Instead Nehru blew it. And Jinnah died a broken man. Non of this is of much import beyond the way Pakistan and India were made. British India itself was made by a English trading company - EIC. Greed and profit made British India. Which itself was broken by the zest of minority Muslims to create equilibrium. They failed. Most are still sat in India today being lynched. And few ran away to Karachi where they still feel a minority in a Muslim majority.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

The fact is Jinnah did not want Pakistan to be only in the northwest. That was Rehmat ALi's idea. Jinnah wanted all Muslim majority regions in India to be under one flag. Which is why he insisted Bengal would be part of Pakistan, and why he wanted a "bridge" of muslim majority districts in Up and Bihar to connect the two. He also wanted Hyderabad to be part of Pakistan, similar to how Kalingrad is part of Russia. Unfortunately he lost all that, and even lost parts of Punjab and Bengal, which was not supposed to initially happen. Which is why he described what woud become Pakistan as "moth eaten"

Number one is closest, but not completely accurate. There were several countries other than India and Pakistan that were independent as of August 15th. Hyderabad, Junagadh, Sikkim, Manipur, and Nagaland are the most prominent examples. Kashmir was split between India and Pakistan, but the rest were swallowed by India.

 

[Peshwa]

The fact is Jinnah did not want Pakistan to be only in the northwest. That was Rehmat ALi's idea. Jinnah wanted all Muslim majority regions in India to be under one flag. Which is why he insisted Bengal would be part of Pakistan, and why he wanted a "bridge" of muslim majority districts in Up and Bihar to connect the two. He also wanted Hyderabad to be part of Pakistan, similar to how Kalingrad is part of Russia. Unfortunately he lost all that, and even lost parts of Punjab and Bengal, which was not supposed to initially happen. Which is why he described what woud become Pakistan as "moth eaten"

Also supports my assertion of “lacking strategic thought” as a state.
They just have never had the leadership to guide them to their potential. Not to mention Islam has basically become their crack cocaine, a perfect recipe for a people to be exploited and ruled by the wrong ideologies.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Number one is closest

Well, I would have been at it for the night if I had included, Aden, Dubai, Sharjah, Abu Dhabi, Burma/Myanmar, Junagadh, etc etc, etc, etc, etc. This was a simplified flow chart and not a definitive flow chart. So do excuse me.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Well, I would have been at it for the night if I had included, Aden, Dubai, Sharjah, Abu Dhabi, Burma/Myanmar, Junagadh, etc etc, etc, etc, etc. This was a simplified flow chart and not a definitive flow chart. So do excuse me.

Understood. BtW what do you use to make those diagrams? they are pretty good.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Understood. BtW what do you use to make those diagrams? they are pretty good.

These are 'borrowed'. I am not the orginal owner but I have permission to 'scalp' them.