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What Can Trigger an Indo-Pak War? Will it remain LimitedWar?

Keeping Pakistan Down so that not another Muslims Rule occur in the Subcontinent that could become a power on its own and an Independent Actor.
Cannot overstate this point. It should be emphasised repeatedly. Colonial Britain's deep state, her allies and the emerging world-builder nexus (freemasons etc) had decided the future of the planet earth was in their hands. They could not permit another ottoman style empire to challenge their hegemony. Pakistanis should remember this.
 
Cannot overstate this point. It should be emphasised repeatedly. Colonial Britain's deep state, her allies and the emerging world-builder nexus (freemasons etc) had decided the future of the planet earth was in their hands. They could not permit another ottoman style empire to challenge their hegemony. Pakistanis should remember this.


Keeping Pakistan Down
.... the process is still on( with internal assets i.e. CriminalEnterprise and EconomicTerrorists) ...and shall keep on going unless we find Statesman and Strengthen Our Statecraft!

Our Elders had this clarity about Pakistan. See below:

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@Ace of Spades

As it was feared..so it has happened...Hybridwar on Pakistan continues... we lost our boys today.... Rent-a-Terrorist operation ... and the killers ran to Iran....

Fencing offer only so much solution...

CentralAsians can now have access to our ports..Gawadar and Karachi... via China ... utilising CPEC.

We need to understand who gets to benefit from this Rent-a-Terrorist kinda attacks... not just one player here...

As The Resistence Front of PakKashmiris gains more experience and snatches more weapons from the IndianTerrorists in IoJK... Behind the CeaseFireLine there will be more misery for PakKashmiris as collective punishment and Rape as Weapon of War will be deployed by the good Indians!

UAE on Watchlist. KSA in a slump/negative growth... China coming out of pandemic. America entering it...

Things are going to accelerate in Kabulistan as well... we need to be vigilent even more... Quetta has been easy target as always...

Pakistan cann't afford ClockworkWarfare and this TrenchWarfare on CeaseFireLine needs to end somehow... unless, our Strategist have some innovative ideas/methods up their sleeves to counter IndianAttack with DisruptiveWarfighting... loss will be immense.

We need Statesmanship and very cunning/daft diplomacy...not the SMQ types...

Early days these....

Mangus
 
@Ace of Spades

As it was feared..so it has happened...Hybridwar on Pakistan continues... we lost our boys today.... Rent-a-Terrorist operation ... and the killers ran to Iran....

Fencing offer only so much solution...

CentralAsians can now have access to our ports..Gawadar and Karachi... via China ... utilising CPEC.

We need to understand who gets to benefit from this Rent-a-Terrorist kinda attacks... not just one player here...

As The Resistence Front of PakKashmiris gains more experience and snatches more weapons from the IndianTerrorists in IoJK... Behind the CeaseFireLine there will be more misery for PakKashmiris as collective punishment and Rape as Weapon of War will be deployed by the good Indians!

UAE on Watchlist. KSA in a slump/negative growth... China coming out of pandemic. America entering it...

Things are going to accelerate in Kabulistan as well... we need to be vigilent even more... Quetta has been easy target as always...

Pakistan cann't afford ClockworkWarfare and this TrenchWarfare on CeaseFireLine needs to end somehow... unless, our Strategist have some innovative ideas/methods up their sleeves to counter IndianAttack with DisruptiveWarfighting... loss will be immense.

We need Statesmanship and very cunning/daft diplomacy...not the SMQ types...

Early days these....

Mangus

Pakistan has to up the game; there can't be a better opportunity for Pakistan for what's going inside India. So far, it hasn't been exploited except for some tweets. This is very pathetically lazy to say the least.

Now you have rightly mentioned how they conducted terrorist attack killing 5 of our boys; just look at the audacity. Now we wait and see what's Pakistan's response. Lots is coming to the neighborhood, Pakistan needs her own objectives; with will to obtain them by any means necessary. Pakistan's one objective since inception is take back our land, Kashmir. If you wanna look how it went in bigger circles in Pakistan regarding that objective, look at pre modi era, Kashmir was vanished form foreign office, media, international diplomacy. And Pakistanis were taking dead bodies of their children home everyday due to Indian sponsored terrorism. This is the reality of our higher circles. They accepted status co then; were too compliant for anything US and good Indians asked and that actually became the new norm. Now if they let go of this God given opportunity, they will be compliant in the indian terrorism in Kashmir and on our western borders.
 
@Mangus Ortus Novem

The great game is afoot.

Gwadar is more important in the game than just a major transit hub for BRI.

India and USA will both try to destabilise Balochistan to counteract Pakistani interests. USA remains very hesitant in its withdrawal from this theatre because the American deep state places higher value on the economic implications of Gwadar's success to China than Trump does himself. If Hilary was president, there is no way USA would be leaving Afg.

Food for thought.



Lord Masterchief,

If you recall the BloodBorders.... and those fancy maps... and then you map the War of Terror imposted on Pakistan and EconomicTerrorism in Pakistan by the CriminalEnterprise with assets in the CombinedWest... you could, perhpas, have more feed for the ThinkingMachine!

KhooniVirus-CheapOil.QEs by FED and ECB...BoE and BoJ.... the Chinese gearing for $600Bln investments in 'New Infrastructure' ...bascially Artificial Intelligence and 5G enbaled Services/Management/Goverannce... preparing for Industry 3.0.

There was an inteview of Persian Amb. to MaqboozaDelhi .... he was highlighting that there is too much terrorism in Balochistan and Persia/ChaBahar is too safe.... somewhere here on PDF...

You can also recall the attack by the BLA terrorists on PC in Gawadar...they came in by the Sea...from where?

Too many waivers for the good Indians whence it came to ChaBahar and purchasing Persian Oil under the market value in Indian rupee... was to facilitate a route for India to gain foothold in CentralAsia and thus creating an opposite Corridor to CPEC....

But Kabulistan went the other way.... so all those great plans of TAPI pipeline dreams are still dreams... piplelines went to China...

China being the biggest investor in Kabulistan...for extraction of mineral resources...the good Indians were planning to do the same and wanted to use ChaBahar for exit....even all the way to Kazakistan...

However, as you saw... which I have hightlighted a few times already... that CentralAsian EconomicCorridor is natural trubitary for the CPEC.

All Infrastructure is there...and more is being built... and its much safer than the warlord ridden Kabulistan....

So, now the official Sovereign welcome to CentralAsians to utilise CPEC ... it gets to a more strategic gaming level.

Imagine...if the GoP/PakState offer the EU/US/JP/SK dedicated EEZs
... as well... that would make them stakeholders to Pak's Socio-economic stability too....

It would require some very daft diplomacy...which is beyond SMQ's dramabazi....

Taftan.
Gawadar.
Quetta.
Chaman.
The Golden Square
... it needs to be managed through proper planning and execution of projects...then interlinking to all spread out areas of Balochistan...

The dream of OilCity in Gawadar is not a daydream...but it would require security... mega secutiry too... from obvious Vectors.

Persian-Indian enterprise of ChaBahar had a silent blessing of the US to curtail the Chinese enterance to the AfroAsianOcean through CPEC... and trying creating a division in SCO/EurasianEconomicBlock by intersting India-Persia into it...as alternative route.

We need to understand that CPEC has far more Russian support than ChaBaharCorridor ...because of Sino-Russian Strategic Understanding of 'things'..../agreements.

As I have continuously said CPEC is not just a road or some powerplants or SEZs... it is a StrategicFramewok.

I do expect more terrorism in Balochistan and former FATA... we need to protect OurBoys better...and intensify the fall of Kabulis in Kabulistan...so that a united Afghanistan can emerge.

I tried to highlight certain Vectors in the Game of Chicken thread and the ThirdActor ....

Fencing first and the fortification and automated monitoring of the entire Western border... it will stop the smuggling as well...

For more than a year now I have tried to draw attention of the Pak to:

The Greatest Game is in Twon and Pakistan is the Heartland

Our naval assets need to be here today...but it is all in the future sadly...

Perhaps, it is valuable to see EastAfrica/ME Gawadar and China+CentralAsia as a SingleSphere/Theatre...

If we can see that UnifiedSphere then we can understand why the good Indians are so excited about GB/AJK...and who might be nudgging them along... to attack and cut of CPEC... not just Yanks..obviously.

The Greatest Game!



Mangus

@Blacklight @Ace of Spades @Verve
 
@Mentee @IceCold @MastanKhan @Blacklight @masterchief_mirza @Ace of Spades @DESERT FIGHTER @Verve @BHarwana and my dearest PaaJee @SIPRA

War. The Ugliest of HumanCondition. Darkest.

80k PakLives gone. APS.

That is 80k PakFamilies...and OurBoys from PakArmedForces and Police ... their orphans and widows to be taken care of.

The Gangetic Enemy
used Kabulistan for this War of Terror on us.... and extracted a very heavy pound of flesh from the Body of PakNation.

PakKashmiris are still paying it
... as @BHarwana posted... a PakKashmir just shot dead in cold blood...by the brave occupation Gangetic troops...

We need to take the threats from the Gangetic state very, very seriously
... the recent meeting of the Chinese Amb. with COAS... was more than Coroan discussion... Corona must be discussed with PM.

CPEC Command is alive and running....

The US Senate is in the process of passing a Bill to put sanctions on China for HongKong and XinJiang ...things... but NOT a single Bill ever passed for PakKashmiris...neither should we expect one...

The Gangetic media and the 'retired' spies/armymen are not talking out of their head...but its a Statespeak .... to prepare the local audience....mental conditioning is perhaps a better word for this process.

Whereas our own MarasiMedia is still busy with its daily fassad ....

PakNation is not prepared by the PakState in the manner that the Gangetic state is conditioning its population...with Hindutva to add more energy to already highly condition population.

After spending $Blns in Kabulistan it would be foolish to expect that the Gangetic state would just pack its bags and leave....

With its proxies of terrorists...it can attack in AJK/GB on side while it launches massive missile attack from the other...


We cann't laugh it off as daydreaming and remain asleep to these very clear signs...

Tension in the Sikkim were caused by the Gangetic troops and made to masla in their media... scrambling fighter jets for the Chinese helis...while they were still in their own territory... what does it tell us?

With the US now in full frontal attack Hybridwar mode against China to retard its march to economic/technological dominance
.... the Gangetic state will try to leverage this in OurLand ...the dream of cutting of CPEC link is not just the Gangetic but the US would also like that China doesn't get an exit / way out if/when SouthChinaSea is facing high tensions/blockade...

So the attack, just like Balakot, does seem to have the blessing of the CombinedWest....

We cann't afford a ClockworkWarfighting .... because it will result in another CeaseFire.... Standstill... StatusQuo.

If Gangetic state declares unilterally the LAC with China as permanent border the CombinedWest will support it as another Vector of Hybridwar ...pressure point... where does it leave Pakistan and PakKashmiris?

Persia is another Actor that is thus far not neutral towards Pakistan....

Kabulistan is full of Bazari Kabulis who are ready for the highest bidder....

A weakend, entangled China will have adverse effect on us as well....

All these factors/vectors need to be keenly kept under watch...

Gangetics are NOT daydreaming... they are preparing for attack...why else will they station Brahmos in IoJK?

One hopes that OurStrategists are factoring in all Vectors and updating their Models accordingly.... one also hopes that OurBoys have also made themselves students of DisruptiveWarfighting as well...

Can we do a pre-emptive strike?

Do we first have to wait till the Gangetics attack then response...to earn the brownie points from the 'international community'?

With Gangetic economy in deep red and money printing on the swing.... unemployment to rise and so will inflation...

Same goes for us... but they have bigger warchest and blessing of the CombinedWest... CPEC is the Target!

By just tweeting about FalseFlags ... looses its meaning/effect after a couple of times...

World is not run by Morality or Ethics or Law.... it is run by Power!

GoP is in such paralysis...crisis after crisis.... and then there is the CriminalEnterprise with its assets in the CombinedWest ...ever ready to create more fassad....

If we go for 27thFeb route again...then we shall come to regret it...

We must do everything to avoid the War
...but when it become inevitable we must go for DisruptiveWarfighting...

This time they won't come with IAF... but by CMs/BM attacks....

More calculations means victory!

Mangus
 
@Mentee @IceCold @MastanKhan @Blacklight @masterchief_mirza @Ace of Spades @DESERT FIGHTER @Verve @BHarwana and my dearest PaaJee @SIPRA

War. The Ugliest of HumanCondition. Darkest.

80k PakLives gone. APS.

That is 80k PakFamilies...and OurBoys from PakArmedForces and Police ... their orphans and widows to be taken care of.

The Gangetic Enemy
used Kabulistan for this War of Terror on us.... and extracted a very heavy pound of flesh from the Body of PakNation.

PakKashmiris are still paying it
... as @BHarwana posted... a PakKashmir just shot dead in cold blood...by the brave occupation Gangetic troops...

We need to take the threats from the Gangetic state very, very seriously
... the recent meeting of the Chinese Amb. with COAS... was more than Coroan discussion... Corona must be discussed with PM.

CPEC Command is alive and running....

The US Senate is in the process of passing a Bill to put sanctions on China for HongKong and XinJiang ...things... but NOT a single Bill ever passed for PakKashmiris...neither should we expect one...

The Gangetic media and the 'retired' spies/armymen are not talking out of their head...but its a Statespeak .... to prepare the local audience....mental conditioning is perhaps a better word for this process.

Whereas our own MarasiMedia is still busy with its daily fassad ....

PakNation is not prepared by the PakState in the manner that the Gangetic state is conditioning its population...with Hindutva to add more energy to already highly condition population.

After spending $Blns in Kabulistan it would be foolish to expect that the Gangetic state would just pack its bags and leave....

With its proxies of terrorists...it can attack in AJK/GB on side while it launches massive missile attack from the other...


We cann't laugh it off as daydreaming and remain asleep to these very clear signs...

Tension in the Sikkim were caused by the Gangetic troops and made to masla in their media... scrambling fighter jets for the Chinese helis...while they were still in their own territory... what does it tell us?

With the US now in full frontal attack Hybridwar mode against China to retard its march to economic/technological dominance
.... the Gangetic state will try to leverage this in OurLand ...the dream of cutting of CPEC link is not just the Gangetic but the US would also like that China doesn't get an exit / way out if/when SouthChinaSea is facing high tensions/blockade...

So the attack, just like Balakot, does seem to have the blessing of the CombinedWest....

We cann't afford a ClockworkWarfighting .... because it will result in another CeaseFire.... Standstill... StatusQuo.

If Gangetic state declares unilterally the LAC with China as permanent border the CombinedWest will support it as another Vector of Hybridwar ...pressure point... where does it leave Pakistan and PakKashmiris?

Persia is another Actor that is thus far not neutral towards Pakistan....

Kabulistan is full of Bazari Kabulis who are ready for the highest bidder....

A weakend, entangled China will have adverse effect on us as well....

All these factors/vectors need to be keenly kept under watch...

Gangetics are NOT daydreaming... they are preparing for attack...why else will they station Brahmos in IoJK?

One hopes that OurStrategists are factoring in all Vectors and updating their Models accordingly.... one also hopes that OurBoys have also made themselves students of DisruptiveWarfighting as well...

Can we do a pre-emptive strike?

Do we first have to wait till the Gangetics attack then response...to earn the brownie points from the 'international community'?

With Gangetic economy in deep red and money printing on the swing.... unemployment to rise and so will inflation...

Same goes for us... but they have bigger warchest and blessing of the CombinedWest... CPEC is the Target!

By just tweeting about FalseFlags ... looses its meaning/effect after a couple of times...

World is not run by Morality or Ethics or Law.... it is run by Power!

GoP is in such paralysis...crisis after crisis.... and then there is the CriminalEnterprise with its assets in the CombinedWest ...ever ready to create more fassad....

If we go for 27thFeb route again...then we shall come to regret it...

We must do everything to avoid the War
...but when it become inevitable we must go for DisruptiveWarfighting...

This time they won't come with IAF... but by CMs/BM attacks....

More calculations means victory!

Mangus
There are heavy protest going in India at this very moment in Kashmir. West Bengal is burning in communal violence. India Govt is looking for urgent diversion.
 
@Mentee @IceCold @MastanKhan @Blacklight @masterchief_mirza @Ace of Spades @DESERT FIGHTER @Verve @BHarwana and my dearest PaaJee @SIPRA

War. The Ugliest of HumanCondition. Darkest.

80k PakLives gone. APS.

That is 80k PakFamilies...and OurBoys from PakArmedForces and Police ... their orphans and widows to be taken care of.

The Gangetic Enemy
used Kabulistan for this War of Terror on us.... and extracted a very heavy pound of flesh from the Body of PakNation.

PakKashmiris are still paying it
... as @BHarwana posted... a PakKashmir just shot dead in cold blood...by the brave occupation Gangetic troops...

We need to take the threats from the Gangetic state very, very seriously
... the recent meeting of the Chinese Amb. with COAS... was more than Coroan discussion... Corona must be discussed with PM.

CPEC Command is alive and running....

The US Senate is in the process of passing a Bill to put sanctions on China for HongKong and XinJiang ...things... but NOT a single Bill ever passed for PakKashmiris...neither should we expect one...

The Gangetic media and the 'retired' spies/armymen are not talking out of their head...but its a Statespeak .... to prepare the local audience....mental conditioning is perhaps a better word for this process.

Whereas our own MarasiMedia is still busy with its daily fassad ....

PakNation is not prepared by the PakState in the manner that the Gangetic state is conditioning its population...with Hindutva to add more energy to already highly condition population.

After spending $Blns in Kabulistan it would be foolish to expect that the Gangetic state would just pack its bags and leave....

With its proxies of terrorists...it can attack in AJK/GB on side while it launches massive missile attack from the other...


We cann't laugh it off as daydreaming and remain asleep to these very clear signs...

Tension in the Sikkim were caused by the Gangetic troops and made to masla in their media... scrambling fighter jets for the Chinese helis...while they were still in their own territory... what does it tell us?

With the US now in full frontal attack Hybridwar mode against China to retard its march to economic/technological dominance
.... the Gangetic state will try to leverage this in OurLand ...the dream of cutting of CPEC link is not just the Gangetic but the US would also like that China doesn't get an exit / way out if/when SouthChinaSea is facing high tensions/blockade...

So the attack, just like Balakot, does seem to have the blessing of the CombinedWest....

We cann't afford a ClockworkWarfighting .... because it will result in another CeaseFire.... Standstill... StatusQuo.

If Gangetic state declares unilterally the LAC with China as permanent border the CombinedWest will support it as another Vector of Hybridwar ...pressure point... where does it leave Pakistan and PakKashmiris?

Persia is another Actor that is thus far not neutral towards Pakistan....

Kabulistan is full of Bazari Kabulis who are ready for the highest bidder....

A weakend, entangled China will have adverse effect on us as well....

All these factors/vectors need to be keenly kept under watch...

Gangetics are NOT daydreaming... they are preparing for attack...why else will they station Brahmos in IoJK?

One hopes that OurStrategists are factoring in all Vectors and updating their Models accordingly.... one also hopes that OurBoys have also made themselves students of DisruptiveWarfighting as well...

Can we do a pre-emptive strike?

Do we first have to wait till the Gangetics attack then response...to earn the brownie points from the 'international community'?

With Gangetic economy in deep red and money printing on the swing.... unemployment to rise and so will inflation...

Same goes for us... but they have bigger warchest and blessing of the CombinedWest... CPEC is the Target!

By just tweeting about FalseFlags ... looses its meaning/effect after a couple of times...

World is not run by Morality or Ethics or Law.... it is run by Power!

GoP is in such paralysis...crisis after crisis.... and then there is the CriminalEnterprise with its assets in the CombinedWest ...ever ready to create more fassad....

If we go for 27thFeb route again...then we shall come to regret it...

We must do everything to avoid the War
...but when it become inevitable we must go for DisruptiveWarfighting...

This time they won't come with IAF... but by CMs/BM attacks....

More calculations means victory!

Mangus

Hi,

Indeed it is an extremely critical time in our history---. All the world busy in its own misery---no certainty of what is going to happen---and no direction---a recipe for a bigger disaster in the making---.
 
War. The Ugliest of HumanCondition. Darkest.

80k PakLives gone. APS.

That is 80k PakFamilies...and OurBoys from PakArmedForces and Police ... their orphans and widows to be taken care of.

The Gangetic Enemy
used Kabulistan for this War of Terror on us.... and extracted a very heavy pound of flesh from the Body of PakNation.

PakKashmiris are still paying it
... as @BHarwana posted... a PakKashmir just shot dead in cold blood...by the brave occupation Gangetic troops...

We need to take the threats from the Gangetic state very, very seriously
... the recent meeting of the Chinese Amb. with COAS... was more than Coroan discussion... Corona must be discussed with PM.

CPEC Command is alive and running....

The US Senate is in the process of passing a Bill to put sanctions on China for HongKong and XinJiang ...things... but NOT a single Bill ever passed for PakKashmiris...neither should we expect one...

The Gangetic media and the 'retired' spies/armymen are not talking out of their head...but its a Statespeak .... to prepare the local audience....mental conditioning is perhaps a better word for this process.

Whereas our own MarasiMedia is still busy with its daily fassad ....

PakNation is not prepared by the PakState in the manner that the Gangetic state is conditioning its population...with Hindutva to add more energy to already highly condition population.

After spending $Blns in Kabulistan it would be foolish to expect that the Gangetic state would just pack its bags and leave....

With its proxies of terrorists...it can attack in AJK/GB on side while it launches massive missile attack from the other...


We cann't laugh it off as daydreaming and remain asleep to these very clear signs...

Tension in the Sikkim were caused by the Gangetic troops and made to masla in their media... scrambling fighter jets for the Chinese helis...while they were still in their own territory... what does it tell us?

With the US now in full frontal attack Hybridwar mode against China to retard its march to economic/technological dominance
.... the Gangetic state will try to leverage this in OurLand ...the dream of cutting of CPEC link is not just the Gangetic but the US would also like that China doesn't get an exit / way out if/when SouthChinaSea is facing high tensions/blockade...

So the attack, just like Balakot, does seem to have the blessing of the CombinedWest....

We cann't afford a ClockworkWarfighting .... because it will result in another CeaseFire.... Standstill... StatusQuo.

If Gangetic state declares unilterally the LAC with China as permanent border the CombinedWest will support it as another Vector of Hybridwar ...pressure point... where does it leave Pakistan and PakKashmiris?

Persia is another Actor that is thus far not neutral towards Pakistan....

Kabulistan is full of Bazari Kabulis who are ready for the highest bidder....

A weakend, entangled China will have adverse effect on us as well....

All these factors/vectors need to be keenly kept under watch...

Gangetics are NOT daydreaming... they are preparing for attack...why else will they station Brahmos in IoJK?

One hopes that OurStrategists are factoring in all Vectors and updating their Models accordingly.... one also hopes that OurBoys have also made themselves students of DisruptiveWarfighting as well...

Can we do a pre-emptive strike?

Do we first have to wait till the Gangetics attack then response...to earn the brownie points from the 'international community'?

With Gangetic economy in deep red and money printing on the swing.... unemployment to rise and so will inflation...

Same goes for us... but they have bigger warchest and blessing of the CombinedWest... CPEC is the Target!

By just tweeting about FalseFlags ... looses its meaning/effect after a couple of times...

World is not run by Morality or Ethics or Law.... it is run by Power!

GoP is in such paralysis...crisis after crisis.... and then there is the CriminalEnterprise with its assets in the CombinedWest ...ever ready to create more fassad....

If we go for 27thFeb route again...then we shall come to regret it...

We must do everything to avoid the War
...but when it become inevitable we must go for DisruptiveWarfighting...

This time they won't come with IAF... but by CMs/BM attacks....

More calculations means victory!

Mangus
You have sumed it up very nicely my dear friend. Indeed Pakistan is in a paradox. We have inner enemies starting from the criminal enterprise to the corrupt presstitutes available to the highest bidder, we have whore courts giving bails to terrorists like PTM while ordinary person spends years after years in jail just to prove his/her innocence. We have the corrupt bearucracy who is creating hurdle upon hurdle in PTI government's promise of good governance. Than we have the external threats, India, Iran and Afghanistan but mostly it's from India. US is creating a whole new scene to entangle China and here is where India sees an opportunity. With China fighting its own battles Pakistan can be subdued. We have to be careful and pick our decisions wisely. We cannot remain oblivious to our ground realities which is that we will be fighting this war alone and Kashmir isn't going to get freedom on PM Khan's tweets. World does not care. They have a stake in India which is what India is trying to cash in. If India is able to sell this idea to the world that CPEC can be stopped by snatching Kashmir and GB from Pakistan , than we should be prepared for fighting a two front war against India and US. Their interest converge in halting CPEC.
PM Khan will have to get out of passive anti war mindset and needs to start preparing the nation for war. Nothing brings Pakistani nation more together than the threat to our beloved Land and we be damned if we allow anyone to snatch an inch of our sacred land. Wars are fought by the nation. It will be a long war, it may involve other countries but history will a witness that we were on the right side of it.
Allah SWT hum sub ka Hami-o-Nasir ho. Ameen!
 
@Mentee @IceCold @MastanKhan @Blacklight @masterchief_mirza @Ace of Spades @DESERT FIGHTER @Verve @BHarwana and my dearest PaaJee @SIPRA

War. The Ugliest of HumanCondition. Darkest.

80k PakLives gone. APS.

That is 80k PakFamilies...and OurBoys from PakArmedForces and Police ... their orphans and widows to be taken care of.

The Gangetic Enemy
used Kabulistan for this War of Terror on us.... and extracted a very heavy pound of flesh from the Body of PakNation.

PakKashmiris are still paying it
... as @BHarwana posted... a PakKashmir just shot dead in cold blood...by the brave occupation Gangetic troops...

We need to take the threats from the Gangetic state very, very seriously
... the recent meeting of the Chinese Amb. with COAS... was more than Coroan discussion... Corona must be discussed with PM.

CPEC Command is alive and running....

The US Senate is in the process of passing a Bill to put sanctions on China for HongKong and XinJiang ...things... but NOT a single Bill ever passed for PakKashmiris...neither should we expect one...

The Gangetic media and the 'retired' spies/armymen are not talking out of their head...but its a Statespeak .... to prepare the local audience....mental conditioning is perhaps a better word for this process.

Whereas our own MarasiMedia is still busy with its daily fassad ....

PakNation is not prepared by the PakState in the manner that the Gangetic state is conditioning its population...with Hindutva to add more energy to already highly condition population.

After spending $Blns in Kabulistan it would be foolish to expect that the Gangetic state would just pack its bags and leave....

With its proxies of terrorists...it can attack in AJK/GB on side while it launches massive missile attack from the other...


We cann't laugh it off as daydreaming and remain asleep to these very clear signs...

Tension in the Sikkim were caused by the Gangetic troops and made to masla in their media... scrambling fighter jets for the Chinese helis...while they were still in their own territory... what does it tell us?

With the US now in full frontal attack Hybridwar mode against China to retard its march to economic/technological dominance
.... the Gangetic state will try to leverage this in OurLand ...the dream of cutting of CPEC link is not just the Gangetic but the US would also like that China doesn't get an exit / way out if/when SouthChinaSea is facing high tensions/blockade...

So the attack, just like Balakot, does seem to have the blessing of the CombinedWest....

We cann't afford a ClockworkWarfighting .... because it will result in another CeaseFire.... Standstill... StatusQuo.

If Gangetic state declares unilterally the LAC with China as permanent border the CombinedWest will support it as another Vector of Hybridwar ...pressure point... where does it leave Pakistan and PakKashmiris?

Persia is another Actor that is thus far not neutral towards Pakistan....

Kabulistan is full of Bazari Kabulis who are ready for the highest bidder....

A weakend, entangled China will have adverse effect on us as well....

All these factors/vectors need to be keenly kept under watch...

Gangetics are NOT daydreaming... they are preparing for attack...why else will they station Brahmos in IoJK?

One hopes that OurStrategists are factoring in all Vectors and updating their Models accordingly.... one also hopes that OurBoys have also made themselves students of DisruptiveWarfighting as well...

Can we do a pre-emptive strike?

Do we first have to wait till the Gangetics attack then response...to earn the brownie points from the 'international community'?

With Gangetic economy in deep red and money printing on the swing.... unemployment to rise and so will inflation...

Same goes for us... but they have bigger warchest and blessing of the CombinedWest... CPEC is the Target!

By just tweeting about FalseFlags ... looses its meaning/effect after a couple of times...

World is not run by Morality or Ethics or Law.... it is run by Power!

GoP is in such paralysis...crisis after crisis.... and then there is the CriminalEnterprise with its assets in the CombinedWest ...ever ready to create more fassad....

If we go for 27thFeb route again...then we shall come to regret it...

We must do everything to avoid the War
...but when it become inevitable we must go for DisruptiveWarfighting...

This time they won't come with IAF... but by CMs/BM attacks....

More calculations means victory!

Mangus

The questions to ask is what is Pakistan gonna do about that. Is it gonna be a post 9-11 situation, in which either you are with us or against us, or Pakistan is gonna have independent foreign policy. If so, is Pakistan ready for the consequences. Stick and carrot of IMF bails, debt reconditioning, FATF, Baradars liquidity in Pakistan's central banks, deferred oil payments, GSP+. You see it's a system, Pakistan so far is relevant in terms of Kabulistan situation but a bigger situation is arising. And Pakistan will eventually have to chose sides. Does Pakistan has options to stay non-aligned when it's major part of BRI, CPEC. And then of course India...

The solution to Indian aggression in Azad Kashmir and GB is not through preemptive strike; I don't think Pakistan has the option to do that with current situation. However, the solution to this problem is a military alliance; which probably Pakistan already has; but formal alliance with obligations is the way forward with China; Pakistan is putting quite much at risk for a China centered positioning; and will suffer more when will be asked to abandon China.

Let's see what comes out of it; but as soon as Pakistan goes in some-sort of formal arrangements; it will be enough to deter India's posturing. And have contingency plan for economic stability, i heard an interview of former Chinese ambassador and he mentioned that Pakistan doesn't produce enough of the products that Chinese market demands. We have the biggest consumer market next door; with which we have very good relations. I just can't comprehend that why Pakistan hasn't tapped this huge potential. Australia earns billions by just exporting beef to china; Pakistan next door can do wonders and this is just one example. There is so much wrong with the governance and policy making of this country that wherever you look it's gross criminal negligence due to corruption, nepotism and incompetency.
 
The questions to ask is what is Pakistan gonna do about that. Is it gonna be a post 9-11 situation, in which either you are with us or against us, or Pakistan is gonna have independent foreign policy. If so, is Pakistan ready for the consequences. Stick and carrot of IMF bails, debt reconditioning, FATF, Baradars liquidity in Pakistan's central banks, deferred oil payments, GSP+. You see it's a system, Pakistan so far is relevant in terms of Kabulistan situation but a bigger situation is arising. And Pakistan will eventually have to chose sides. Does Pakistan has options to stay non-aligned when it's major part of BRI, CPEC. And then of course India...

The solution to Indian aggression in Azad Kashmir and GB is not through preemptive strike; I don't think Pakistan has the option to do that with current situation. However, the solution to this problem is a military alliance; which probably Pakistan already has; but formal alliance with obligations is the way forward with China; Pakistan is putting quite much at risk for a China centered positioning; and will suffer more when will be asked to abandon China.

Let's see what comes out of it; but as soon as Pakistan goes in some-sort of formal arrangements; it will be enough to deter India's posturing. And have contingency plan for economic stability, i heard an interview of former Chinese ambassador and he mentioned that Pakistan doesn't produce enough of the products that Chinese market demands. We have the biggest consumer market next door; with which we have very good relations. I just can't comprehend that why Pakistan hasn't tapped this huge potential. Australia earns billions by just exporting beef to china; Pakistan next door can do wonders and this is just one example. There is so much wrong with the governance and policy making of this country that wherever you look it's gross criminal negligence due to corruption, nepotism and incompetency.


YoungPakBrother mine,


We are in War for past two decades now... and my mentioning of APS is a constant remineder how cruely we have be attacked....

We are still in State of War .... on every turn the Gangetic state is trying to cripple us to create a collapse and disorder that ensues after it.... FATF ...bizzare conditionalities of IMF .... Godfathers of CriminalEnterprise roaming freely .... with active contacts with the foreign establishments... constant targeting of PakCivilians ...murder that is... on CeaseFireLine... Crimes Against Humanity in IoJK...

Supporting terrorists like BLA and sleeper cells in Karachi... Gangetic state is in constant attack mode... Multiple Vectored Attack...only thing missing is the ShootingWar....

It would be foolish to assume that Hybridwar on Pakistan is receding... it will actually expand/accelerate....


Now that the US has NO Choice but to double down on ContainingChina ... simply, because if China is allowed 5+yrs of Growth and Technology Leap Frogging... then the TechnoFeudalHierachy of the CombinedWest won't be a monopoly that its so far... which essentially means loosing Power on the Global Affairs....

Should China be allowed peace...then the 200+yrs of Total Dominance of the CombinedWest is goodbye.

Nobody gives up power out of generosity.... Power is always taken....

It is this context that brings us into a bind....

It is now impossible for Pakistan to remain neutral... but we cann't also go overboard either... it will take some Statesmanship to Position Pakistan as BridgeState...

And you are right ... we have 1.4Bln middle income market with deep strategic relations but we export jack to this market... this has to do with so many things... but primarily because of our 'Industrialists' are nothing more than rentniers... frankly, we don't have Industrial Base in Pakistan.... and also, Babucracy is, in essense, always has been geared toward the CombinedWest...for getting nationalities for their kids/wives.... hence, we don't have any policy about anything....

But these are subjects in PakEconomy and PakPolicy threads...which we shall develop in due time...

The way I see it ..due to Existential Pressure the CombinedWest is willing to go to any length to keep its Total Power Architecture intact and let no non-Western centre emerge... makes sense.. This is how Power works...

However, China is not USSR... China is Chinese.. 1.4Bln highly disciplined citizens ...capable of sacrifices that the CombinedWest's populations are not willing to imagine... so the it is not going to be repeat of ColdWar 1.0.

It is going to be...almost is... an all out Hybridwar 3.0 .... winner will determine the Global Financial, Economic and Technological Architecture... for decades to come.

Hence, it has deep effects on states like ours....

Just look at the map... China+Pakistan form a 90 degree angled containment of Gangetic state... keeping it boxed within the Gangetic plains... it can never become a 'great power' if it remains contained... so its compulsions are different.

CPEC needs to be protected at all costs...and herein Joint CPEC Command comes into play...

As I have said before Pakistan is short of 12 capital ships and 8 subs...and 50+Blk3 at least...

All these things require that OurStrategist do everything possible to avoid War...and should it become unavoidable then they must have wargamed 100 times the DisruptiveWarfighting ... becuase should there be a war it has to be conclusive one...

For now we cann't go into any official alliance of mutual defence with China... until we know what the US is going to do in the Phase 2 of the Hybridwar on China... in Phase 1 we have already seen far more intenstity than I thought would be..

Today or yesterday an USN recon plane flew close to the Chinese Island where there is the Chinese submarine base... this is highly agressive posturing... Gangetic navy has also the same planes now...and in good numbers..

Should China feel that its in its National Interests then China can produce destroyers and submarines for Pakistan for FREE and much more too... because it would be cheapest form of Balance of Power!

And just to throw a curveball... What would happen if the Chinese leadership concludes that confrontation with the CombinedWest is not doable and just accepts the StatusQuo? Where would we stand then?


Pakistan needs ten years of total peace to have a solid foundation to build a solid economy and society....
 
What would happen if the Chinese leadership concludes that confrontation with the CombinedWest is not doable and just accepts the StatusQuo? Where would we stand then?


Pakistan needs ten years of total peace to have a solid foundation to build a solid economy and society....

Yes! another scenario. But how are we gonna achieve that? I don't see any robust long term economic plan (from Pakistan's perspective and Pakistan centerd). CPEC is gonna materialize in a while and it's objectives are not completely Pakistan centered unless Pakistan does something with SEZ and before that Pakistan has to overcome a lot. But that's for another thread.

Yes you are right; it's too early to ask china for outright posturing in terms of military alliance, but i hope at-least it's on table. Having brahmos in IOK... lots is cooking and i hope Pakistan is prepared for what's coming in region and economically as well. Because it will rather be economic downfall that will hit Pakistan the most.
 
Yes! another scenario. But how are we gonna achieve that? I don't see any robust long term economic plan (from Pakistan's perspective and Pakistan centerd). CPEC is gonna materialize in a while and it's objectives are not completely Pakistan centered unless Pakistan does something with SEZ and before that Pakistan has to overcome a lot. But that's for another thread.

Yes you are right; it's too early to ask china for outright posturing in terms of military alliance, but i hope at-least it's on table. Having brahmos in IOK... lots is cooking and i hope Pakistan is prepared for what's coming in region and economically as well. Because it will rather be economic downfall that will hit Pakistan the most.


YoungPakBrother mine,


Unless, we understand the MetaLevel of things... we get entangled into confusing/contradicting details...without governing Context ....

As I informed earlier... the US Senate is all hot...for India promotion as ally and cornerstone of Containment of China Strategy ....

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brea...-point-plan-to-hold-china-accountable.666593/

If you recall the 'Opening Up' of China by Nixon was to Contain the USSR ...by breaking the communists into two camps...although there was already bad blood between the Soviets and the Chinese... but it helped.

That was where the foundation was laid for next steps..i.e. China opening up to western capital/factories... on fishing village....before that the Chinese had studied Pakistan's Development Model of 60s and Singapore /Hong Kong /Taiwan very thoroughly.... from a fishing village to giant SEZs...

Essetentially, a deep economic alliance between the US and China...defacto...but fact remains... jobs could be outsourced... the US could do the Deregulation for the Financial 'Industry' and a Consumer Economy of the CombinedWest was born...because Debt became the growth driver of Consumptions... Financialisation of Everything... that is Globalisation.

Now when China is at the very near end of reaching Parity with TechnoFeudalHierachy of the CombinedWest and wishes to be an Independent Actor ... Sovereign that is... this creates Massive Upset to the established World Order of Financialisation of Everything...

So we are witnessing the replay of what the US did with Soviets....together with China... now China is to be done the same with incorporation of India.

HowdyModi was a corporate event sponsored by the US and Indian Financial/Capital class...

The idea is to reach $500Bln of annual trade between the US and India...for that Modi has to deliver some goods...such as allowing Corporate farming, clipping the unions, investor protection laws and general cutting to minimum the Babu-red-tape... privatisation of massive SOEs and opening the financial sector to the US banks..

Modi hasn't been able to do any of the above... because the GeoConstruct called India is basically structured as socialist state... and very deep and painful reforms are needed.

KhooniVirus and CheapOil.

If we recall the Evil Empire from Regan... Trump is playing the same Script in Trumponian vein... Dutch was a great actor!

Also, it is imperative to understand that for TianamenSquare arms embargo is still in place...and there is so much pain and anguish for HumanRights for HongKong and XinJiang ...

But far more gross violations have occured in IoJK or recently in MaqboozaDelhi Pogrom ...or in UP by that Monk CM...but Not A Single Word ...offically from any corner of the CombinedWest ...and a Senate Bill we can forget....

Yes, of course, all these HumanRights pangs are PolicyInstruements than actual empathy by these states... general Western public excluded!


With annoucement of Basha Dam construction by the Sino-Pak companies and the GeoConstruct issuing warnings to China and Pakistan...

Can it become an 'issue' for the CombinedWest who has forgottern Crimes Against Humanity in IoJK?

Of late GB/AJK is in GangeticMedia non-stop and how they are ready to capture it by force...and the Plan is ready... and whatnotz

Taliban have apparently told India that it has always supported traitors in Afghanistan... and The Hindu suggesting that the GeoConstruct aka India must have dialouge with Taliban...

The Crime Against Humanity attack in Kabul on maternity hospital.... and new 'power sharing formula' of Kabuli regime.....

The Chinese helicpoters fly in their own territory but the good Gangetics scramble fighter jets ..... @LKJ86

And their media potraying it as agressive Chinese action.... just recently Sikkim scuffle.... Indian Victory according to their media...

The Resistence Front in IoJK is too small and utterly unequipped to pose a meaningful threat to occupational Gangetic troops .... apart from hit and run... and snatching weapons from the occupiers... nothing that could create meaningful movement ...and constant blaming/framing of Pakistan after every incedence....

FATF still hanging around like a divorced spouse..never happy with the settlement....and IMF wouldn't care if every Pak dies.... China provided emergency support again when recently IMF was dragging its feet.

WeaponisedFinance in an badly affected country by EconomicTerrorism and War of Terror ....APS!!!

Debt relief /write off must have been the key to US-Taliban deal...but we failed.... SMQ is no diplomat...

Although I partially agree with @dbc that the GeoConstruct aka India cancelled the tender due to CoronaEffect i.e. shrinkage in economy...but it is a bit more than that...

So far from Kabulistan to NuclearDeal to IT Outsourcing to recieving biggest chunk of Aid .... India has not truly delivered anything /tangible benefits to the US led CombinedWest...despite the 2 decade plus long courtship...starting with Clinton....

I doubt everyone in Washington is as cereberally inate as US talking head politcoz.... there must be some good professionals there to be able to do cost-benefit-analysis and produce predictive outcomes...for the PolicyInstruements... I mean if A.I. can do it!..........

Regardless, litmus test for us is whether the US releases our dues i.e CSF or not.

If not then we must conclude with certainty that the relationship is now semi-hostile from now on...and will be favoring the GeoConstruct.

A chaotic or in civil war Kabulistan will suit this GeoConstruct much more than anyone else.. @H. Dawary

For Pakistan a stable, peaceful and non-anti-Pakistan Afghanistan will be force multiplier..on economic and security fronts.


Now....
If China chooses to Advance by retreating...it won't be getting any leverage...

And if it continues to stand up to the US it must be ready for enormus pressure...from Pentagon to WallStreet....and everything inbetween...

And this pressure or Hybridwar on China will have negative effects on us...favouring the GeoConstruct with more leverage on the US...


I don't think that the US or the CombinedWest are that foolish to be taken for a ride all the time
...and keep offering FreeLunch to the GeoConstruct... so there might be a sooner than later call : With us or Against us to Modi as well...

In this backdrop we need to understand whether the soical-unrest, economic shrinkage and increasing Islamophobia in the GeoConstruct might force it to unleash both War of Terror on Pakistan and an overt military one as well....

Its target remains North! = CPEC



Mangus



@Mentee @Blacklight @StormBreaker @masterchief_mirza @MastanKhan @graphican @IceCold @Hakikat ve Hikmet @BHarwana @HRK @PakSword @Champion_Usmani @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @tower9 @viva_zhao @Verve

And dearest PaaJee
@SIPRA
 
YoungPakBrother mine,


Unless, we understand the MetaLevel of things... we get entangled into confusing/contradicting details...without governing Context ....

As I informed earlier... the US Senate is all hot...for India promotion as ally and cornerstone of Containment of China Strategy ....

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brea...-point-plan-to-hold-china-accountable.666593/

If you recall the 'Opening Up' of China by Nixon was to Contain the USSR ...by breaking the communists into two camps...although there was already bad blood between the Soviets and the Chinese... but it helped.

That was where the foundation was laid for next steps..i.e. China opening up to western capital/factories... on fishing village....before that the Chinese had studied Pakistan's Development Model of 60s and Singapore /Hong Kong /Taiwan very thoroughly.... from a fishing village to giant SEZs...

Essetentially, a deep economic alliance between the US and China...defacto...but fact remains... jobs could be outsourced... the US could do the Deregulation for the Financial 'Industry' and a Consumer Economy of the CombinedWest was born...because Debt became the growth driver of Consumptions... Financialisation of Everything... that is Globalisation.

Now when China is at the very near end of reaching Parity with TechnoFeudalHierachy of the CombinedWest and wishes to be an Independent Actor ... Sovereign that is... this creates Massive Upset to the established World Order of Financialisation of Everything...

So we are witnessing the replay of what the US did with Soviets....together with China... now China is to be done the same with incorporation of India.

HowdyModi was a corporate event sponsored by the US and Indian Financial/Capital class...

The idea is to reach $500Bln of annual trade between the US and India...for that Modi has to deliver some goods...such as allowing Corporate farming, clipping the unions, investor protection laws and general cutting to minimum the Babu-red-tape... privatisation of massive SOEs and opening the financial sector to the US banks..

Modi hasn't been able to do any of the above... because the GeoConstruct called India is basically structured as socialist state... and very deep and painful reforms are needed.

KhooniVirus and CheapOil.

If we recall the Evil Empire from Regan... Trump is playing the same Script in Trumponian vein... Dutch was a great actor!

Also, it is imperative to understand that for TianamenSquare arms embargo is still in place...and there is so much pain and anguish for HumanRights for HongKong and XinJiang ...

But far more gross violations have occured in IoJK or recently in MaqboozaDelhi Pogrom ...or in UP by that Monk CM...but Not A Single Word ...offically from any corner of the CombinedWest ...and a Senate Bill we can forget....

Yes, of course, all these HumanRights pangs are PolicyInstruements than actual empathy by these states... general Western public excluded!


With annoucement of Basha Dam construction by the Sino-Pak companies and the GeoConstruct issuing warnings to China and Pakistan...

Can it become an 'issue' for the CombinedWest who has forgottern Crimes Against Humanity in IoJK?

Of late GB/AJK is in GangeticMedia non-stop and how they are ready to capture it by force...and the Plan is ready... and whatnotz

Taliban have apparently told India that it has always supported traitors in Afghanistan... and The Hindu suggesting that the GeoConstruct aka India must have dialouge with Taliban...

The Crime Against Humanity attack in Kabul on maternity hospital.... and new 'power sharing formula' of Kabuli regime.....

The Chinese helicpoters fly in their own territory but the good Gangetics scramble fighter jets ..... @LKJ86

And their media potraying it as agressive Chinese action.... just recently Sikkim scuffle.... Indian Victory according to their media...

The Resistence Front in IoJK is too small and utterly unequipped to pose a meaningful threat to occupational Gangetic troops .... apart from hit and run... and snatching weapons from the occupiers... nothing that could create meaningful movement ...and constant blaming/framing of Pakistan after every incedence....

FATF still hanging around like a divorced spouse..never happy with the settlement....and IMF wouldn't care if every Pak dies.... China provided emergency support again when recently IMF was dragging its feet.

WeaponisedFinance in an badly affected country by EconomicTerrorism and War of Terror ....APS!!!

Debt relief /write off must have been the key to US-Taliban deal...but we failed.... SMQ is no diplomat...

Although I partially agree with @dbc that the GeoConstruct aka India cancelled the tender due to CoronaEffect i.e. shrinkage in economy...but it is a bit more than that...

So far from Kabulistan to NuclearDeal to IT Outsourcing to recieving biggest chunk of Aid .... India has not truly delivered anything /tangible benefits to the US led CombinedWest...despite the 2 decade plus long courtship...starting with Clinton....

I doubt everyone in Washington is as cereberally inate as US talking head politcoz.... there must be some good professionals there to be able to do cost-benefit-analysis and produce predictive outcomes...for the PolicyInstruements... I mean if A.I. can do it!..........

Regardless, litmus test for us is whether the US releases our dues i.e CSF or not.

If not then we must conclude with certainty that the relationship is now semi-hostile from now on...and will be favoring the GeoConstruct.

A chaotic or in civil war Kabulistan will suit this GeoConstruct much more than anyone else.. @H. Dawary

For Pakistan a stable, peaceful and non-anti-Pakistan Afghanistan will be force multiplier..on economic and security fronts.


Now....
If China chooses to Advance by retreating...it won't be getting any leverage...

And if it continues to stand up to the US it must be ready for enormus pressure...from Pentagon to WallStreet....and everything inbetween...

And this pressure or Hybridwar on China will have negative effects on us...favouring the GeoConstruct with more leverage on the US...


I don't think that the US or the CombinedWest are that foolish to be taken for a ride all the time
...and keep offering FreeLunch to the GeoConstruct... so there might be a sooner than later call : With us or Against us to Modi as well...

In this backdrop we need to understand whether the soical-unrest, economic shrinkage and increasing Islamophobia in the GeoConstruct might force it to unleash both War of Terror on Pakistan and an overt military one as well....

Its target remains North! = CPEC



Mangus



@Mentee @Blacklight @StormBreaker @masterchief_mirza @MastanKhan @graphican @IceCold @Hakikat ve Hikmet @BHarwana @HRK @PakSword @Champion_Usmani @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @tower9 @viva_zhao @Verve

And dearest PaaJee
@SIPRA

Great analysis as always brother, jazak Allahu khairan.
 
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