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What can Pakistan learn from Bangladesh?

Poor excuse. For one Pakistan is sending militants to India since 1989. For India they have it much harder as they need to fund baloch and TTP terrorists through 3rd country Afghanistan or Iran. While we can just send our own through LOC. They also faced insurgencies.


Don't understand your logic and what you are trying to imply. I am saying BD would simply vanish if subjected to the level of asymmetrical warfare that Pakistan faced since 9/11.

India use the shoulders and patronage of a super power to fight its asymmetrical warfare against Pakistan, we don't have such luxury.
 
Don't understand your logic and what you are trying to imply. I am saying BD would simply vanish if subjected to the level of asymmetrical warfare that Pakistan faced since 9/11.

India use the shoulders and patronage of a super power to fight its asymmetrical warfare against Pakistan, we don't have such luxury.

BD faced a full insurgence backed by India in CHT and survived and just got stronger.
 
BD faced a full insurgence backed by India in CHT and survived and just got stronger.


Those were the old days. India on its own is nothing, in this day and age, its the backing of America which immune India from the consequences, which we in Pakistan have find hard to deal with in post 9/11 Afghanistan. India on its own tried to use Afghanistan against us in pre 9/11 Afghanistan and got beaten up badly.
 
Those were the old days. India on its own is nothing, in this day and age, its the backing of America which immune India from the consequences, which we in Pakistan have find hard to deal with in post 9/11 Afghanistan. India on its own tried to use Afghanistan against us in pre 9/11 Afghanistan and got beaten up badly.

BD has faced the following since independence:

1. India sponsored terrorism in CHT
2. Expulsion of more than a million Rohingya into BD by Myanmar
3. Indian attempts to claim millions of BD’shis are living in India.
4. Massive flooding every year and sometimes devastating cyclones.

You just need to deal with the issues as they come.
 
One question though , why do BD cities look so bad? Where does all this 8 % growth goes to?I dont see any improvement in their cities. Our Cities are much better be it Lahore , Islamabad , Karachi. They donot have one decent City/Highway/Airport . Our Metro Train is going to be launched on 23rd March in Lahoee and they still planning Dhaka Metro since 20 years.

Our PPP per capita is still higher which is used to see the correct income levels.

They dont have the same standards as rest of the world (or even the region and their peers) when it comes to inflation filtering (to get real GDP), esp for use of extrapolating (LDC quota +remittance driven) forex sector 1:1 to the Taka claim.

BD members here will write big sermons of nothingness or post you some repeated riffraff article that likewise cherrypicks superficial numbers rather than actually deeply analyses anything.

This is why you see a huge disparity between their PPP amount for their economy and anything that (starts) to account for the implied inflation like constant dollars (by looking at actual realised consumption volumes and prices on the ground).

Heck just look at energy consumption or any base input macro indicator. They are consuming at half, third etc kind of levels as rest of south asia and want to seriously say they have same real output per capita lol. Lo and behold you see the reality again when you go look at the labour productivity numbers at ILO too.

Why this is being done is simply to have a bigger denominator to suck up/launder more external loans to make up for low foreign investment, low-stagnant (and declining) market cap given forex reserves are also stagnant for them a long while now. This is easy route for corrupt govt (look at where they rank compared to region in CPI) that vote rigs to the extent of 95% seat winning (compare to PTI election win).

That said Pakistan must improve its external sector which is doing worse than BDesh's, it has been damaged and stagnated severely.

@ps3linux @Rusty (This answers your query earlier about the "growth" rate not really jiving with plain ground reality too)
 
They dont have the same standards as rest of the world (or even the region and their peers) when it comes to inflation filtering (to get real GDP), esp for use of extrapolating (LDC quota +remittance driven) forex sector 1:1 to the Taka claim.

BD members here will write big sermons of nothingness or post you some repeated riffraff article that likewise cherrypicks superficial numbers rather than actually deeply analyses anything.

This is why you see a huge disparity between their PPP amount for their economy and anything that (starts) to account for the implied inflation like constant dollars (by looking at actual realised consumption volumes and prices on the ground).

Heck just look at energy consumption or any base input macro indicator. They are consuming at half, third etc kind of levels as rest of south asia and want to seriously say they have same real output per capita lol. Lo and behold you see the reality again when you go look at the labour productivity numbers at ILO too.

Why this is being done is simply to have a bigger denominator to suck up/launder more external loans to make up for low foreign investment, low-stagnant (and declining) market cap given forex reserves are also stagnant for them a long while now. This is easy route for corrupt govt (look at where they rank compared to region in CPI) that vote rigs to the extent of 95% seat winning (compare to PTI election win).

That said Pakistan must improve its external sector which is doing worse than BDesh's, it has been damaged and stagnated severely.

@ps3linux @Rusty (This answers your query earlier about the "growth" rate not really jiving with plain ground reality too)


Butt-hurt returns.:lol:

Did I not already explain to you the concept of cumulative wealth many times already? Since BD has only recently surpassed Pakistan in GDP per capita it overall has less wealth(Cumulative Wealth) than Pakistan but earns more now(GDP per capita and GDP).
BD cumulative wealth should surpass Pakistan mid-decade and be comfortably ahead by 2030.

Also the fact that BD has such low debt to GDP ratio (28% compared to 72% for Pakistan) means that it did not borrow as much as Pakistan did to build infrastructure. BD would have had more loans from China and other institutions if it did not hold out for better interest rates. Pakistan usually is prepared to pay much higher interest rates than BD.

Heard that BD FDI last fiscal has hit 4.5 billion US dollars and no less than Damen will be building their first shipyard of S Asia in BD? These people pouring billions into BD every year must be missing something you know?

Recent economic report says that BD will be 25th largest economy in the world in 2034 and Pakistan will be 50th.

Indian economic growth has fallen to below 5% due to Modi's mismanagement(+ multi-ethnic mess that is India) while BD is predicted to be above 7% for this fiscal and next by all major economic organisations.

Butt-hurt is too deep still.:(


PS - Thanks to India becoming the next US billion dollar export market for BD. Exports have hit 1.25 billion US dollars and growing at 30-40% a year. India is fully aware that there will have been devastating sanctions from BD if it did not finally open up it's market to BD exporters.
 
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What can I tell from my experience in Dhaka last time: Islamabad is like 100 times cleaner.

Islamabad is small showcase city of just 2 million people. Better to compare with Karachi although Karachi is still cleaner than Dhaka.

Dhaka is a mess as it is so overcrowded since BD has all garment factories and government buildings there. Other smaller BD cities are cleaner and better looking.
Check out my home city Sylhet(starts from 1 min into the video):


Dhaka is getting some massive infrastructure like metro lines, elevated expressways, ring roads and also slum clearances which should improve things by the end of this decade.
 
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What can I tell from my experience in Dhaka last time: Islamabad is like 100 times cleaner.
Whatever our guys in PDF talk incessantly about GDP, Dhaka remains a city where its streets are full of dead dogs/cats, filths and the throw-away garbage. Many of its streets remain waterlogged for four months off again on again during 1/2 an hour rains where women have to raise their wears above the knees to walk. Even small boats come out to ferry people.

Footpaths broken and occupied by hawkers. There is not even a functional bus transport system. Dhaka's living standard is probably worse below Sub-Saharan Africa, yet the govt is not in a hurry to fix them. Rather, it goes after a few prestige projects. So, the GDP figure remains essentially in papers and in the foreign bank accounts of ruling BAL leaders.

Dhaka people essentially live in an uncivilized South Asian city. It is the same with all other cities and townships. Only the villages look a little better although tens of thousands of kilometers of new roads have to be built there.
 
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