What Africans really think of China !!!!

[luckyyy]

All I see are Indian members who are super-desperate to spread the idea that people around the world are opposed to Chinese investment in their countries.

indians might be more intrested to know on to why those people around the world are opposed to Chinese investment in their countries so that we can have a precoution in future...

 

[samv]

indians might be more intrested to know on to why those people around the world are opposed to Chinese investment in their countries so that we can have a precoution in future...

Come on luckky, you seriously expect everyone else to believe that?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

All I see are Indian members who are super-desperate to spread the idea that people around the world are opposed to Chinese investment in their countries.

Where did you get the idea from?

Same place where the Daily Mirror is allied to political parties?

 

[Roybot]

All I see are Indian members who are super-desperate to spread the idea that people around the world are opposed to Chinese investment in their countries.

Yeah I bet the Indians paid this Srilankan author to write this article.

 

[samv]

Yeah I bet the Indians paid this Srilankan author to write this article.

I don't think so at all.

Read his other articles and you will see what I mean.

But do not for a moment think that what one 'journalist' thinks is representative of what all Sri Lankans think.

 

[samv]

Where did you get the idea from?

Same place where the Daily Mirror is allied to political parties?

You clearly have no idea of Sri Lankan politics or the news industry in the island.

 

[Roybot]

I don't think so at all.

Read his other articles and you will see what I mean.

But do not for a moment think that one 'journalist' thinks is representative of what all Sri Lankans think.

Well shouldn't you be blaming him for this article rather than the Indians?

And apparently if this is an opposition party backed newspaper, so there we have it, the opposition party of wary about the Chinese government, no don't tell me the opposition party is also made up of 1 random person.

 

[luckyyy]

Come on luckky, you seriously expect everyone else to believe that?

why not , india do more then $60bn annual trade with china ....

 

[Brotherhood]

An interesting article regarding south Asia basically told the story behind the so-called "investment or help" myth thats our dear Indian friends so desperately trying to spread:

Trade
Fight For The Neighbourhood

India in mind, China is cozying up to South Asian nations with trade and aid. To wrest back the advantage, India needs to do the same—better. Sebastian PT

The strategic vision and sense of purpose being shown by China in the sub-continent is in stark contrast to the manner in which India is drifting along, in spite of being seen as the region’s custodian. While India has been burning diplomatic bridges with its neighbours with its ‘big brother’ attitude, China has been building them.

The China Way

Several experts want India to take cues from the way China is going about business in the region, complementing trade with generous investments. China is building ports in Pakistan (Gwadar), Bangladesh (Chittagong), Sri Lanka (Hambantota) and Myanmar (Kyauk Phyu), all of which can be used as naval bases, if need be. This is part of, what Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta, calls China’s “string of pearls” strategy—setting up military bases along its energy lines, across the globe.

China is building road and rail corridors in Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Myanmar that will link these countries to it, especially to the ports. This can be the clincher for importers/exporters to divert trade from India to China. For instance, China is extending a railway link (besides highways) to Khasa, in Nepal. India’s railway links to Nepal, in the north-east regions in particular, are substantially weak.

China is investing in the power sector in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal. Although India has helped Nepal to set up hydroelectric projects such as Pokhar, Trishuli, Western Gandak and Devighat, China is making inroads here too. It has given soft loans of $190 million for the Trishuli hydropower project. The surge of the Maoists in Nepal has also led to an increased Chinese influence. That apart, with the trade deficit being hugely in favour of China, in April, it provided duty-free access to 497 Nepalese goods in China. Says Ram Upendra Das of RIS: “The 336 mw Chukha-I hydel project strengthened Indo-Bhutan ties, leading to the second and third phases. India should go in for similar projects with Nepal and Pakistan too.”

Pravakar Sahoo of Institute of Economic Growth, says India can’t ignore the Chinese methods. “People look for ‘visible’ progress such as bridges and roads being built,” says Sahoo. “India will have to earn goodwill by doing just that.” Kumar of ICRIER says the government should go all out to “push, promote and facilitate” greater interactions with our neighbours, especially for the private sector. “The steps taken are not enough,” he adds. Sahoo points to a simple thing as a visa. “Bangladesh businessmen find it difficult to get a visa to India. But they get one to China easily,” he says.

Reasons like these explain why China’s trade with Bangladesh trailed that of India by 10% in 2002, but was 50% greater in 2007. In fact, between 2002 and 2007, China’s exports to individual Saarc nations have grown faster than India’s. India can strike back through the moribund Safta and non-trade measures. But that won’t happen by itself—the new government has to make that happen.
business.outlookindia.com | Fight For The Neighbourhood

 

[luckyyy]

Pravakar Sahoo of Institute of Economic Growth, says India can’t ignore the Chinese methods. “People look for ‘visible’ progress such as bridges and roads being built,” says Sahoo. “India will have to earn goodwill by doing just that.

that's very true

but can anyone care to explane how china will recover investment on building road and rail corridors in Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Myanmar that will link these countries to it, especially to the ports.
isn't it by collecting tool taxes over many many years to came , don't that will create reft in future and demp the goodwill ?

China is investing in the power sector in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal , here again how they will be recovering their investment with profit by selling elecricity at higher rates for yeaRS and will surely create problums in future..

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isn't these port with china building by their investment will be under china for next 40-50 years or may be more and will became a question on natinal sovernity in future....

today china give subsidy to their exporters that can afford to export their products at very low price ,that hamper the local menufecturesrs but then over the years china will increase price and try to recover the past loss like thet did in silk , by suddenly increasing price by over 100% last years in just 4 month time...

 

[PlanetWarrior]

in a thread about what africans think, there isn't a single african.

it would sound more convincing hearing this from africans and not indians.

Okay here goes. I am an African resident and an Indian citizen who has resided in Africa for most of my life. The African drums are starting to beat against China. China has this foreign policy of doing trade with whomsoever is in power in Africa. They don't care about the popularity or legality of the regime which is in power. Their attititude is simply that they are there to trade and the internal problems of the country which they are trading with is none of their concerns. It may have been a wise policy in the early 80's and 90's but the times are a changing in Africa which is starting to embrace democracy fervently. In fact, a popular ANC leader in South Africa recently remarked that "we were better off under the European colonialists. At least they built infrastructure, educated our people, brought us religion and employed the locals in their projects. With the Chinese, they even bring in their labour and food from China and give us nothing in return except to pay us miserably for our natural resources which they ship off straight to China." It is no secret that most African countries are practically virgins at self governance. They are easy to manipulate. The Chinese have learnt this since the late 80's. When a tin pot government like Robert Mugabe's ZANU-PF government is about to be toppled by the popular opposition, the Chinese via North Korea smuggles in weapons into Zimbabwe despite the arms embargo placed on that country by the UN. The Chinese are rewarded with free minerals by the ZANU government for this "favour". Colonialism by the Chinese is not in the form of sending in their troops to take over a country. It is in the form of exploiting the resources of that country for material gain with little material or other form of reward to the country except to prop up some of the illegal rulers and to limitedly build weak and useless infrastructure. The Chinese have this policy of no freebies from us but selfishly run riot with the natural resources of Africa paying a pittance for its resources. Giving African dictators free guns for minerals of that country is worse than the early White colonialists who gave tribal chiefs plastic jewellery and mirrors as payment for their land. The Chinese here generally look down upon the Africans and refuse to respect their culture or to even learn their language. The racism of the Chinese during the 80's when they ran riot assaulting and insulting the African refugees in China is an issue which is still remembered by many Africans. The insistence of Chinese traders and the giving in by the government of that time during the 70's and 80's in apartheid South Africa that they be classified as "Whites" to enable them to participate in the South African apartheid economy is something which South Africa has not forgotten. India had sanctions against the apartheid regime and point blank refused to have any trade with that government, and instead hosted the African National Congress as a South African government in exile in India. India reaped the dividends post apartheid when the ANC allowed her businesses to flourish in SA. Tata and Mithal etc are now leading businesses in SA.

Now before the Indians smirk at the above, India is also following the route of China. During the 90's and as of recently, India was regarded as a fellow brother of Africa whose people settled peacefully in Africa as indentured labourers or small scale traders. Recently however in Central Africa, India has started competing with the Chinese. Whilst India is a respected and loved trading partner in Southern Africa, she should be watching her business investors in Central Africa. They are competing with the Chinese and are starting to duplicate the Chinese way of doing business. Africa is a continent of different states but lose your good reputation in one African country and you are bound to be ostracized in most other African countries. Unlike Asia, there is a stronger bond of brotherhood in Africa. Therefore India, beware.

 

[luckyyy]

Exactly. It is just business.

We pay them, and we get resources. In the same way that we get resources from Brazil, Saudi Arabia, or Australia. That is how the world economy works.

the difference between paying resources to Brazil, Saudi Arabia, or Australia is that china pays them at market price but in case of african countries china just pay them a part of the total revenue aginst their investment for setting up facilities to extrect these resources out of earth and bribing the local admistration help them to get such baised contrect , this is extectly the article called upon..
in india reliance industry extrect gas and pay the govt a part of the gas revenue but the gas is utilized at india only at govt decided price and not allowed to export ..
indian oil companies has invested money in many countries to extrect oil and natural resorces but business modle is different as resourses belong to that country and that country only pay a part of revenue as commision to indian companies , this way that country remian the owner of their resouces and the benifits goes to the countryman..

 

[BigTree.CN]

Too bad Indians can't pay the high price as China is paying to do business with Africans, now they are whining around, what a bunch of losers.

 

[Roybot]

Too bad Indians can't pay the high price as China is paying to do business with Africans, now they are whining around, what a bunch of losers.

There we have it, the wise one has spoken, all other arguments are invalid.

 

[BigTree.CN]

There we have it, the wise one has spoken, all other arguments are invalid.

I am entitled to comment on our own business. Indians, if you are unhappy with Chinese way of doing business, go there and compete with us, beat us down, then talk, before that you are just bringing contempt to yourself.