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What Africans really think of China !!!!

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Buildings erected by the Chinese construction firms have occasionally fallen apart. :whistle:A hospital in Luanda, the capital of Angola, was opened with great fanfare but cracks appeared in the walls within a few months and it soon closed. The Chinese-built road from Lusaka, Zambia’s capital to Chirundu, 130 km (81 miles) to the South east, was quickly swept away by rains.:undecided:

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:undecided: but CWGs village was not built buy Chinese why bridges and ceilings started falling to grounds then?


anyway here in Pakistan Chinese are involved in building our vital infrastructure even in Tribal areas including dams and these dont have any issue
 
Well, China is supporting some draconian and murderous regimes like it did in Sudan and some other African countries (which helped it perpetuate the Darfour genocide).

It may be taken as dealing with what is already there but people at the receiving end won't take it that way. China should be careful in dealing with such regimes.
 
The Chinese in places such as Newcastle, Dundee etc in SA and in Gaborone in Botswana proudly identified themselves as citizens of your country. Since you seek a personal answer I will accomodate you on the basis that it is pertinent to the topic. My family emigrated to Gaborone in the early 80's. After the fall of apartheid in 1993 we moved to SA. Prior to that, Indian citizens were not welcome to SA due to India's standoff with the apartheid regime.

if u were not there before the end of apartheid how the heck those chinese who were there doing business with apartheid regime identified themselves as PRC citizens to u??
china was firmly against SA apartheid regime while taiwan had diplomacy ties with it.
learn some history before twisting facts.:wave:
 
if u were not there before the end of apartheid how the heck those chinese who were there doing business with apartheid regime identified themselves as PRC citizens to u??
china was firmly against SA apartheid regime while taiwan had diplomacy ties with it.
learn some history before twisting facts.:wave:

Umm I lived in Botswana. Lots of South African travellers came to Botswana in those days including Chinese businessmen. I never stated that the PRC had a diplomatic tie with the apartheid regime. Learn to read before becoming defensive. If the facts are sore to you, I cannot twist it to suit your purposes. Again, I am not passing an indictment against China or the Chinese people. I am purely repeating what is being told to me in Africa. Your defensive stance is therefore unnecessary. Take a chill pill and post to me in the morning :wave:
 
:undecided: but CWGs village was not built buy Chinese why bridges and ceilings started falling to grounds then?


anyway here in Pakistan Chinese are involved in building our vital infrastructure even in Tribal areas including dams and these dont have any issue

Most of the Chinese posters here are starting to rush in like red ants trying to defend the nest (China) without reading or comprehending the posts or the thread. There is no insult to China or its government in this thread. There is no insult to Chinese workmanship or quality in this thread. There is purely a reflection of what certain unscrupulous Chinese business interests have been up to in Africa. The fact that roads etc are collapsing indicates that projects were rushed to start obtaining the economic rewards for those projects or that those responsible for the projects saved on costs irrespective of the outcome. Unscrupulous business entities exist everywhere including in China. Trying to deny that just makes a fool of the denier. The issue is simply that the Chinese government needs to step in and take stock of what is happening in Africa under their watch
 
lol``funny indians here talking about Chinese business ethic where they top that list, dont know how many people here know the real 'reputation' of Indians working ethic in the UK, and some North Africa countries`lol
 
Buildings erected by the Chinese construction firms have occasionally fallen apart. :whistle:A hospital in Luanda, the capital of Angola, was opened with great fanfare but cracks appeared in the walls within a few months and it soon closed. The Chinese-built road from Lusaka, Zambia’s capital to Chirundu, 130 km (81 miles) to the South east, was quickly swept away by rains.:undecided:

Chinese expatriates care little about rules and regulations. Local sensitivities are routinely ignored at home, and so abroad. Sinopec, an oil Firm has explored in a Gabonese national park. Another state oil company has created lakes of spilled crude oil in Sudan. To avoid censure regarding poor working conditions, Chinese managers bribe union bosses. Tensions came to a head last year when in mines in Sinazongwe, a town in Southern Zambia, two Chinese managers fired shotguns at protesting workers, injuring at least a dozen. There are three possible reasons for recent hatred towards Chinese in Africa. First is that competition, especially from foreigners including Chinese, is rarely popular. Hundreds of textile factories across Nigeria collapsed in recent years because they could not compete with cheap Chinese garments, resulting in thousands of lost jobs. The second reason could be that the Chinese are bringing bad habits as well as trade and investment. The mainland Chinese economy is riddled with corruption, even by African standards, so when the Chinese go abroad they carry on bribing and undermine good governance in host countries. A third reason is that China is seen as hoarding African resources.

Chinese thought they could fool the Africans as they are poor economically,socially,Scientifically.But they were very very wrong.
 
This is a report from a Sri Lankan Newspaper..which clearly explains what is going in Africa w.r.t Chinese investments..and they are scared it may so happen in Sri Lanka too....
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SL opposition to follow Africa against China ?


China’s stance regarding the UN panel report was revealed through its Foreign Ministry spokesman. The latter said, ‘not to complicate the issue and leave it to Colombo to handle it’. China took two to three weeks to make this statement after Russia’s stance was announced in relation to the panel report. China pursued a silent policy earlier in connection with the panel report. Although China was inclined to back the Sri Lanka (SL) Govt., yet it did not rush to express its stance. Russia however came out into the open against the panel report while China expressed its stance through its Foreign Ministry spokesman under pressure exerted by the SL Govt. It is unknown what made China take this reluctant and reticent attitude in connection with the panel report.

Like how the governmental and non-governmental patriotic organisations are conducting a campaign against America and the Western countries, there is a build up of a campaign against China launched by the UNP within SL. The UNP has begun criticising the Hambantota Port and the Chinese work force in other Chinese projects. This situation is reminiscent of that which prevailed in Africa when China was deploying its resources there long time ago.

Countries in Africa are revolting against the Chinese investments and trade in their continent. People are increasingly getting anxious and restless about Chinese intentions, who are being viewed as the new Colonial powers. China claims that it has done more to end poverty in Africa than any other country. China is Africa’s biggest trading partner and its money has paid for countless new Schools and Hospitals.

In the initial years, investments and trade with China were welcomed with open arms. Chinese investment boosted employment in Africa and made basic goods like shoes and radios more affordable . In 2010, Chinese trade with Africa was more than US $ 120 billion. In the past two years China has given more loans to poor countries, mainly in Africa than the World Bank. Chinese are now expanding beyond just mining activity in Africa. Chinese Companies are signing infrastructure deals worth more than $ 50 billion a year. China is also investing in other areas like finance and industrial, and the Commercial Bank of China has bought 20% of South African Standard Bank, the continent’s biggest Bank.In recent time, attitudes towards China have changed in Africa. Chinese products are increasingly held up as examples of shoddy work. Investments from China have multiplied corruption in the African countries. They are also seen as interfering in the internal politics of the countries and therefore viewed as a colonial power. Africans say they increasingly feel under siege. Tens of thousands of entrepreneurs from China have fanned out across the continent. More Chinese have come to Africa in the past ten years than Europeans in the past 400. First came Chinese from State owned companies, but more and more arrive on their own and most of the contract workers, mainly prison labour are left behind after finishing contract work.

Buildings erected by the Chinese construction firms have occasionally fallen apart. :whistle:A hospital in Luanda, the capital of Angola, was opened with great fanfare but cracks appeared in the walls within a few months and it soon closed. The Chinese-built road from Lusaka, Zambia’s capital to Chirundu, 130 km (81 miles) to the South east, was quickly swept away by rains.:undecided:

Chinese expatriates care little about rules and regulations. Local sensitivities are routinely ignored at home, and so abroad. Sinopec, an oil Firm has explored in a Gabonese national park. Another state oil company has created lakes of spilled crude oil in Sudan. To avoid censure regarding poor working conditions, Chinese managers bribe union bosses. Tensions came to a head last year when in mines in Sinazongwe, a town in Southern Zambia, two Chinese managers fired shotguns at protesting workers, injuring at least a dozen. There are three possible reasons for recent hatred towards Chinese in Africa. First is that competition, especially from foreigners including Chinese, is rarely popular. Hundreds of textile factories across Nigeria collapsed in recent years because they could not compete with cheap Chinese garments, resulting in thousands of lost jobs. The second reason could be that the Chinese are bringing bad habits as well as trade and investment. The mainland Chinese economy is riddled with corruption, even by African standards, so when the Chinese go abroad they carry on bribing and undermine good governance in host countries. A third reason is that China is seen as hoarding African resources.

China has become a rallying point for most opposition leaders in several countries because of their relationship with ruling Africa Dictators. Opposition parties, especially in southern Africa, frequently campaign on anti-China platforms. Even in normally calm places like Nambia, antipathy is stirring. In Zambia, the opposition leader, Michael Sata, has made Sino-skepticism his trademark. It could only be a matter of time before the Africans start to throw out Chinese like they did to other colonial powers.

If the SL opposition succeeds in inciting and instigating the people against the Chinese, the new colonial power, it can prove that the Exim Bank of China can be more lethal than the World Bank.

During the tenure of office of the UNP Govt., the SLFP which was in the opposition at that time frowned upon and identified the World Bank ; America and western countries ; and multinational Companies as ‘extortionists’, sucking the blood of third world countries. They discredited and described them as the new colonial power. Today, if the UNP which is in the opposition hurls the same allegations against China, a situation akin to that in Africa could be spawned in SL.

seriously bro dont go for this indian propoganda.. chinese investment is welcome in africa i am sure of that.

You are a PR manager in Africa.
 
Umm I lived in Botswana. Lots of South African travellers came to Botswana in those days including Chinese businessmen. I never stated that the PRC had a diplomatic tie with the apartheid regime. Learn to read before becoming defensive. If the facts are sore to you, I cannot twist it to suit your purposes. Again, I am not passing an indictment against China or the Chinese people. I am purely repeating what is being told to me in Africa. Your defensive stance is therefore unnecessary. Take a chill pill and post to me in the morning :wave:

it is you who accusing mainland chinese were doing business with SA apartheid regime. i just questioned how u for sure to know those chinese doing business with SA apartheid regime were from mainland china?
if indian were not welcomed due to standoff with apartheid regime, so were mainland chinese--mainland china was firmly against SA apartheid regime too. Is that too hard to understand?
 
China is the largest job creator in Africa.
Most of the quality control issues stem from inefficiency of African labour, theft of building material and corrupt politicians demanding their kick backs eventually drying up funds for the main project.
so far there is no evidence of China taking over any resources by force to equating it with a colonial power is far distant.

End of the day, if Africans were even half smart as Chinese, they would be in extreme poverty today sitting over some of the most mineral and resource rich continents.

Conclusion, article based on dumb founded concerns. Anyone who dealt in Africa knows how ever it is to manipulate this Africans with some rumor and propaganda.
 
The Chinese think they can fool the Africans as they are poor.

And can fool the Indian too..because Indian states are also campaigning to attract chinese investments in infrastructure..how about that mr half-smart?
So India = africa?
 
it is you who accusing mainland chinese were doing business with SA apartheid regime. i just questioned how u for sure to know those chinese doing business with SA apartheid regime were from mainland china?
if indian were not welcomed due to standoff with apartheid regime, so were mainland chinese--mainland china was firmly against SA apartheid regime too. Is that too hard to understand?
I believe I answered your first question in my earlier post. The difference between India and China then was that India openly proclaimed its support for the ANC government as a government in exile. India also supported the ANC with arms and training together with Russia. This clearly aggrieved the apartheid regime. No debate about the PRC also condemning apartheid but the fact of the matter is that Chinese from the PRC and Taiwan were permitted to do business in SA and that sir is an undisputed fact which you may take from a resident of Africa in those days. So let's cut out the banter and move on to logical debate and discussion on the issue. Can I debate with a Chinese resident whether there are Nigerians in China? No sir I cannot, since the Chinese resident lives in China and I live in Africa. I cannot put it more crisply to you.


China is the largest job creator in Africa.
Most of the quality control issues stem from inefficiency of African labour, theft of building material and corrupt politicians demanding their kick backs eventually drying up funds for the main project.
so far there is no evidence of China taking over any resources by force to equating it with a colonial power is far distant.

End of the day, if Africans were even half smart as Chinese, they would be in extreme poverty today sitting over some of the most mineral and resource rich continents.

Conclusion, article based on dumb founded concerns. Anyone who dealt in Africa knows how ever it is to manipulate this Africans with some rumor and propaganda.
The highlighted part is indicative of your ignorance pertaining to African affairs. The remainder of your statement is pure racist banter unworthy of a reply save to state that the Brits seem to have done a great job in conditioning you lot of sub-continent dwellers to believe that anything not white cannot be right.
 
Oh wow, the leaders of africa are corrupt and they are actually making foolish comments about China?
China is honestly doing their best to have a better ties with africa, without China I don't think africa will get anywhere; no infrastrucutre no investments
the only hope they have is China, would they rather have the europeans invading again?
The africans may as well say sayanora to China and hello to poverty.
 
And can fool the Indian too..because Indian states are also campaigning to attract chinese investments in infrastructure..how about that mr half-smart?
So India = africa?

Lol they are fooling one country very badly as at one moment they are saying that they will do anything to defend that country but in reality they are doing nothing.
 

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