"We will treat only Hindus, not Muslims"

[Joe Shearer]

Fair point. I shall be more specific in future; if not by precise statement then at least by implication and context it should be made obvious I am referring to Indians other than your good self. I shall see what can be done under the circumstances.

Have you been a civil servant? I mean no major insult.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Who said I am the representative of Kashmiris? Every Pakistani and Kashmiri is a representative of Kashmiris. We are obliged by our religion and our humanity to speak in favor of the oppressed.

However insults directed at Kashmiris should be unacceptable here. No matter with how many layered words and seasonings.

As a fellow Kashmiri, he has my blessing.

Thanks brother, we are all united for the cause of freedom for Kashmir.

Debating the issue is fine and well, when done with respect, but no one should be allowed to insult or abuse Kashmiris on this forum.

Really, this is the bare minimum, if we wish to have fruitful discussions between Pakistanis and Indians.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Have you been a civil servant? I mean no major insult.

Why would I perceive your question as insulting? Is civil service frowned upon in India?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Untrue. Come with facts. This forum is not for sanghi trolls. There is no religious prosecution against minorities in Pakistan. Random incidents have happened and people have been punished unlike India where Muslim Genocide is underway and the mastermind behind it is the Prime minister.

I grew up with many Christians in my neighborhood, when I spend time in Lahore with relatives. Most of our neighbors were Christian, we used to eat together and wish each other greetings on holidays. Anytime there was any trouble, usually some youth in Christian community involved in drugs and such, we would help them out and pay their bail too.

Even now most of the money I send to Pakistan goes to the Christian families I know, many are underprivileged from when they came from India during partition. I guess to Hindus they would be Dalits.

For us, we don't care about their religion, they are our Pakistani brothers and sisters. We will support them no matter what.

One of my Christian Pakistani friends in Med school was asked by a Hindu Indian what he thinks of Muslims, expecting a certain answer.

The Christian Pakistani said this, "We are no different than Muslims, they never made us feel different. Even though my religion is Christianity, I am Muslim by culture due to being Pakistani."

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I grew up with many Christians in my neighborhood, when I spend time in Lahore with relatives. Most of our neighbors were Christian, we used to eat together and wish each other greetings on holidays. Anytime there was any trouble, usually some youth in Christian community involved in drugs and such, we would help them out and pay their bail too.

Even now most of the money I send to Pakistan goes to the Christian families I know, many are underprivileged from when they came from India during partition. I guess to Hindus they would be Dalits.

For us, we don't care about their religion, they are our Pakistani brothers and sisters. We will support them no matter what.

One of my Christian Pakistani friends in Med school was asked by a Hindu Indian what he thinks of Muslims, expecting a certain answer.

The Christian Pakistani said this, "We are no different than Muslims, they never made us feel different. Even though my religion is Christianity, I am Muslim by culture due to being Pakistani."

I dare say, many Indians who have lived only in India their whole lives would be absolutely and truly gobsmacked if they spoke candidly to non-muslim Pakistanis. It would cause their brains to melt into goo.

 

[vegav]

I grew up with many Christians in my neighborhood, when I spend time in Lahore with relatives. Most of our neighbors were Christian, we used to eat together and wish each other greetings on holidays. Anytime there was any trouble, usually some youth in Christian community involved in drugs and such, we would help them out and pay their bail too.

Even now most of the money I send to Pakistan goes to the Christian families I know, many are underprivileged from when they came from India during partition. I guess to Hindus they would be Dalits.

For us, we don't care about their religion, they are our Pakistani brothers and sisters. We will support them no matter what.

One of my Christian Pakistani friends in Med school was asked by a Hindu Indian what he thinks of Muslims, expecting a certain answer.

The Christian Pakistani said this, "We are no different than Muslims, they never made us feel different. Even though my religion is Christianity, I am Muslim by culture due to being Pakistani."

Why would Valmikis move to Pakistan and become Christian? These are Christian who always lived in west Punjab and Pakistan blocked them from leaving.

I dare say, many Indians who have lived only in India their whole lives would be absolutely and truly gobsmacked if they spoke candidly to non-muslim Pakistanis. It would cause their brains to melt into goo.

I met a Hindu guy from Sindh and he said security is an issue but life is not. He emigrated to Australia though.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I dare say, many Indians who have lived only in India their whole lives would be absolutely and truly gobsmacked if they spoke candidly to non-muslim Pakistanis. It would cause their brains to melt into goo.

Honestly, due to dress and culture, it is hard to tell Muslims from Non-Muslims in Pakistan. Most Christians wear crosses on their necks, but other than that, it is not apparent. Hindus of Thar also look very similar to Sindhis.

You will even find Non-Muslims using words like Alhamdulilah, Ma sha Allah, and In sha Allah, similar to Arab Christians (and Jews of Morroco and Yemen) who do the same.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Yes, I am, and it is not because of the ferocity of your pace attack; it is because of the dressing room that keeps pissing into the lemon juice.

Exactly the point, but unfortunately lots of my countrymen are too nice to look through the people, hence was my point. Again, not directed at you explicitly, but by large Pakistanis are open hearted people, to the point that they put lots at stake for the sake of niceness.

worms in the apple that work unseen until they reveal their ugly selves.

This goes otherwise as well. So called friends of Pakistanis like you, keep on eating the roots until they make it vulnerable. Bhakats bad for you; good indians bad for us. So please don't be surprised when i call the bluff. I am normally not personally attacking you. Rather reminding our friendly Pakistanis to be aware. As what you are doing reminding your bhagats and sanghis to be aware.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why would Valmikis move to Pakistan and become Christian? These are Christian who always lived in west Punjab and Pakistan blocked them from leaving.

They were targeted along with Muslims by roaming Hindu and Sikh militias.

Many of them came to Pakistan with Muslims. Because Muslims were protecting them.

 

[vegav]

They were targeted along with Muslims by roaming Hindu and Sikh militias.

Many of them came to Pakistan with Muslims. Because Muslims were protecting them.

Not believable at all. I have never heard of this anywhere.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This goes otherwise as well. So called friends of Pakistanis like you, keep on eating the roots until they make it vulnerable. Bhakats bad for you; good indians bad for us. So please don't be surprised when i call the bluff. I am normally not personally attacking you. Rather reminding our friendly Pakistanis to be aware. As what you are doing reminding your bhagats and sanghis to be aware.

I second this.

If anyone has any doubt, check Shashi Tharoor on Al Jazeera. You will become aware how much more dangerous these Hindu chauvinists are than Hindutva cadres of RSS.

They present a different face to the West of peace, yoga, nonviolence, Gandhi, etc., while to Pakistanis and Indian Muslims, it is open season to show their fangs.

Congress is much more dangerous, they have kept Kashmir at a standstill for 70+ years and deceived us to let our guard down.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Not believable at all. I have never heard of this anywhere.

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan see? brains turning to goo in front of our very eyes.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I second this.

If anyone has any doubt, check Shashi Tharoor on Al Jazeera. You will become aware how much more dangerous these Hindu chauvinists are than Hindutva cadres of RSS.

They present a different face to the West of peace, yoga, nonviolence, Gandhi, etc., while to Pakistanis and Indian Muslims, it is open season to show their fangs.

Congress is much more dangerous, they have kept Kashmir at a standstill for 70+ years and deceived us to let our guard down.

Exactly but to our loss our so called intellectuals fail to see it. Idk if it's deliberate attempt or just because they are too naive. There is a display of it here on PDF as well quite often, makes you just shake your head in despair.

Hence, modi is a God sent for Pakistan, a true blessing. If it was up to our intellectuals they would let sashi tharoor type people eat up Pakistan from inside out without even realizing that what went wrong. Truly an appalling mentality some of our people have.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Not believable at all. I have never heard of this anywhere.

How can you, you never heard any good Muslims have done.

It is consistent with how Muslims protected Christians and Jews in Europe, Turkey, Arab world, and North Africa.

Muslim role in helping Jews escape the Holocaust is well known.

Even in Rwanda, Muslims protected Tutsis from the Hutus. Many converted to Islam because of it.

Exactly but to our loss our so called intellectuals fail to see it. Idk if it's deliberate attempt or just because they are too naive. There is a display of it here on PDF as well quite often, makes you just shake your head in despair.

Hence, modi is a God sent for Pakistan, a true blessing. If it was up to our intellectuals they would let sashi tharoor type people eat up Pakistan from inside out without even realizing that what went wrong. Truly an appalling mentality some of our people have.

We should not have any doubts as Quaid e Azam has already made it clear to us. He fought the hardest against the liberal Hindu and pseudo-religious politics of Nehru and Gandhi.

They had the greatest influence on the British and the anti-MuslimLeague Muslims leaders, we lost land and people to those two criminals, wolves in sheep clothing.

All while Hindu fascists like Vallabhai Patel and others wanted Muslims to leave India, and were willing to sacrifice land to do it, even Kashmir.

Both are our enemies, but they have fundamentally different mindsets.

 

[vegav]

How can you, you never heard any good Muslims have done.

It is consistent with how Muslims protected Christians and Jews in Europe, Turkey, Arab world, and North Africa.

Muslim role in helping Jews escape the Holocaust is well known.

Even in Rwanda, Muslims protected Tutsis from the Hutus. Many converted to Islam because of it.



We should not have any doubts as Quaid e Azam has already made it clear to us. He fought the hardest against the liberal Hindu and pseudo-religious politics of Nehru and Gandhi.

They had the greatest influence on the British and the anti-MuslimLeague Muslims leaders, we lost land and people to those two criminals, wolves in sheep clothing.

All while Hindu fascists like Patel and others wanted Muslims to leave India, and were willing to sacrifice land to do it, even Kashmir.

Both are our enemies, but they have fundamentally different mindsets.

I am not talking about muslims harming Christians. I am talking about Valmikis following muslims from east punjab into west Punjab. Why would they do so? Dalits did follow Jogendra nath mandal into Bangladesh but haven't heard of them moving to west Punjab.