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“We do not believe Indian naval power can effectively challenge regular US operations in the Indian Ocean, at least until the next century,” a decalcified CIA paper has assumed.

However, the paper noted, “the Indians will be able to monitor US naval movements better with the Bear F aircraft and the nuclear-powered submarine but will not soon develop the capability to shadow US deployments regularly. Despite its support of Mauritius’s claim to Diego Garcia, India has shown no inclination to challenge the US presence there on anything but diplomatic grounds.”

“In our judgment, Indian naval forces are no match for regular US or French Indian Ocean naval deployments and would be hard pressed to challenge the Soviet or Australian task forces frequently present. In an Indo-Pakistani war, we believe the Indians would try to restrict foreign interference through aggressive naval operations close to shore, including a naval blockade of Karachi, to deter and even interdict maritime shows of support or resupply efforts to Pakistan,” the paper observed.

However, “in our judgment”, the paper noted, “the Indian Navy can defend the country’s contiguous waters and safeguard its maritime interests against threats from neighboring states, but it cannot carry out credible power projection operations very far into the Indian Ocean.”

“We believe India lacks sufficient advanced oceangoing warships, adequate support capabilities, and the requisite tactical expertise to conduct sustained, modern naval operations beyond coastal areas. Our assessments of critical naval mission areas reveal specific shortcomings that we believe retard power projection”.


Excerpts;

We believe India considers its security concerns in the Indian Ocean over the long term are as important as those with Pakistan and China. New Delhi traditionally has relied on diplomacy to safeguard its Indian Ocean interests but lately is increasing its involvement in the internal affairs of Indian Ocean states-sometimes by military means. To support their Indian Ocean aspirations, the Indians are pursuing a naval modernization and expansion program to project power more effectively.

New Delhi’s Indian Ocean strategy centers on maritime defense and the assertion of its leadership over other regional states. It also includes supporting the internal stability of these states, protecting the interests of local Indian ethnic groups, and limiting-if not supplanting-foreign presences. New Delhi believes others in the region must not be able to threaten India militarily or be allowed to act in a way that may destabilize the area and invite outside interference in the region. India is most involved in the affairs of Sri Lanka, Maldives, Seychelles, and Mauritius but also is concerned with island states farther to the southwest and the Indian Ocean littoral countries.

As a coastal force, the Indian Navy is strongest in anti-surface, anti-submarine, and mine-countermine warfare missions; it is weakest in anti-air warfare and support missions.


India’s buildup of the Army and Air Force units ::
India would most likely use them for power projection operations and extend its reach beyond that provided by the Navy. The Army’s 54th Infantry Division and 50th Parachute Brigade are its frontline units for these operations, which would be supported by the Air Force’s Jaguar strike aircraft and a growing fleet of transport aircraft. India’s ability to conduct amphibious and airborne warfare missions give it a strong intervention capability against Sri Lanka or the smaller Indian Ocean island states of Maldives, Seychelles, Mauritius, or Comoros. India would lose this military advantage if these island states’ forces were augmented by combat units of outside powers or if it attempted to intervene in islands farther from its shores or in littoral countries it does not border.

India’s power projection capability will grow slowly and its Navy will remain largely a coastal force for the remainder of the century. The recently leased Soviet Charlie I nuclear-powered submarine-to be used more for technical and training purposes than for operational activity-and the newly purchased Bear F long-range antisubmarine warfare-maritime reconnaissance aircraft are the first naval assets India has acquired that are not aimed specifically at improving its naval capabilities over Pakistan. Planned acquisitions will increase the Navy’s combat capabilities in all mission areas, but its ability to conduct sustained operations far from shore will remain weak. India’s military modernization and expansion will remain primarily focused on the more immediate Pakistani threat, and its intervention in Sri Lanka will command much attention and effort at the expense of other activities.

A rapidly expanding force structure, coupled with a dedication to indigenous production, will limit the Navy’s potential. Acquisition of more ships and aircraft is likely to outstrip India’s ability to man, maintain, and control the fleet efficiently. Domestic shipbuilding is beginning to overtake foreign purchases in naval acquisitions and slow the buildup, but it will lessen military purchases from Moscow and increase opportunities for the embryonic Inda-US defense relationship.

Indian naval power will not challenge regular US operations in the Indian Ocean at least until the turn of the century. New Delhi’s efforts to restrict outside involvement in the Indian Ocean will largely remain diplomatic. The Indian Navy not only is no match for regular US or French Indian Ocean naval deployments but also would be hard pressed to challenge Soviet or Australian forces frequently sent to the region. In an India Pakistani war, however, the Indians would mount aggressive naval operations close to shore, including a blockade of Karachi, to deter and even interdict maritime shows of support for or resupply efforts to Pakistan.


http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...ge-US-operations-in-Indian-Ocean-—-CIA-250361
 
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CIA paper from 1990.

A lot has changed since then.

We have no interest in chrcking US Navy aswe are partners now.
Back then in the IOR Australian Navy was second most powerful after USN.
But now it is India.
 
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This was the case in the 1990s now the situation and capabilities of the Indian navy has changed dramatically. Indian can easily project naval power in the entire IOR region.

We now have much better aircraft's than the ageing Bear F ASW aircraft.
 
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As an Indian member put it so eloquently in another thread, "If Westerners hurt India then it's fine, if Chinese do it then it's not fine".

There is no one here in India who is ready to give away our influence or space to super power USA or economic giant china.

India is planning 3 operational aircraft carrier groups by 2030. Total 5 aircraft carriers are planned.
 
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There is no one here in India who is ready to give away our influence or space to super power USA or economic giant china.

You mean like selling your national sovereignty to the US military by signing the LEMOA? :P
 
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“We do not believe Indian naval power can effectively challenge regular US operations in the Indian Ocean, at least until the next century,” a decalcified CIA paper has assumed.

However, the paper noted, “the Indians will be able to monitor US naval movements better with the Bear F aircraft and the nuclear-powered submarine but will not soon develop the capability to shadow US deployments regularly. Despite its support of Mauritius’s claim to Diego Garcia, India has shown no inclination to challenge the US presence there on anything but diplomatic grounds.”

“In our judgment, Indian naval forces are no match for regular US or French Indian Ocean naval deployments and would be hard pressed to challenge the Soviet or Australian task forces frequently present. In an Indo-Pakistani war, we believe the Indians would try to restrict foreign interference through aggressive naval operations close to shore, including a naval blockade of Karachi, to deter and even interdict maritime shows of support or resupply efforts to Pakistan,” the paper observed.

However, “in our judgment”, the paper noted, “the Indian Navy can defend the country’s contiguous waters and safeguard its maritime interests against threats from neighboring states, but it cannot carry out credible power projection operations very far into the Indian Ocean.”

“We believe India lacks sufficient advanced oceangoing warships, adequate support capabilities, and the requisite tactical expertise to conduct sustained, modern naval operations beyond coastal areas. Our assessments of critical naval mission areas reveal specific shortcomings that we believe retard power projection”.


Excerpts;

We believe India considers its security concerns in the Indian Ocean over the long term are as important as those with Pakistan and China. New Delhi traditionally has relied on diplomacy to safeguard its Indian Ocean interests but lately is increasing its involvement in the internal affairs of Indian Ocean states-sometimes by military means. To support their Indian Ocean aspirations, the Indians are pursuing a naval modernization and expansion program to project power more effectively.

New Delhi’s Indian Ocean strategy centers on maritime defense and the assertion of its leadership over other regional states. It also includes supporting the internal stability of these states, protecting the interests of local Indian ethnic groups, and limiting-if not supplanting-foreign presences. New Delhi believes others in the region must not be able to threaten India militarily or be allowed to act in a way that may destabilize the area and invite outside interference in the region. India is most involved in the affairs of Sri Lanka, Maldives, Seychelles, and Mauritius but also is concerned with island states farther to the southwest and the Indian Ocean littoral countries.

As a coastal force, the Indian Navy is strongest in anti-surface, anti-submarine, and mine-countermine warfare missions; it is weakest in anti-air warfare and support missions.


India’s buildup of the Army and Air Force units ::
India would most likely use them for power projection operations and extend its reach beyond that provided by the Navy. The Army’s 54th Infantry Division and 50th Parachute Brigade are its frontline units for these operations, which would be supported by the Air Force’s Jaguar strike aircraft and a growing fleet of transport aircraft. India’s ability to conduct amphibious and airborne warfare missions give it a strong intervention capability against Sri Lanka or the smaller Indian Ocean island states of Maldives, Seychelles, Mauritius, or Comoros. India would lose this military advantage if these island states’ forces were augmented by combat units of outside powers or if it attempted to intervene in islands farther from its shores or in littoral countries it does not border.

India’s power projection capability will grow slowly and its Navy will remain largely a coastal force for the remainder of the century. The recently leased Soviet Charlie I nuclear-powered submarine-to be used more for technical and training purposes than for operational activity-and the newly purchased Bear F long-range antisubmarine warfare-maritime reconnaissance aircraft are the first naval assets India has acquired that are not aimed specifically at improving its naval capabilities over Pakistan. Planned acquisitions will increase the Navy’s combat capabilities in all mission areas, but its ability to conduct sustained operations far from shore will remain weak. India’s military modernization and expansion will remain primarily focused on the more immediate Pakistani threat, and its intervention in Sri Lanka will command much attention and effort at the expense of other activities.

A rapidly expanding force structure, coupled with a dedication to indigenous production, will limit the Navy’s potential. Acquisition of more ships and aircraft is likely to outstrip India’s ability to man, maintain, and control the fleet efficiently. Domestic shipbuilding is beginning to overtake foreign purchases in naval acquisitions and slow the buildup, but it will lessen military purchases from Moscow and increase opportunities for the embryonic Inda-US defense relationship.

Indian naval power will not challenge regular US operations in the Indian Ocean at least until the turn of the century. New Delhi’s efforts to restrict outside involvement in the Indian Ocean will largely remain diplomatic. The Indian Navy not only is no match for regular US or French Indian Ocean naval deployments but also would be hard pressed to challenge Soviet or Australian forces frequently sent to the region. In an India Pakistani war, however, the Indians would mount aggressive naval operations close to shore, including a blockade of Karachi, to deter and even interdict maritime shows of support for or resupply efforts to Pakistan.


http://www.defencenews.in/article/India’s-Naval-Power-Too-old-to-challenge-US-operations-in-Indian-Ocean-—-CIA-250361
its about 1990
but even now
no one can challenge US navy and it is likely to remain so in near future

as for Indian Navy
it is more than well equipped for supremacy over Pakistan Navy
but the fact is that Pakistan Navy would only have to secure western Arabian sea
enabling transportation of oil and goods from Gulf ad suez canal via Red sea
so it should be easy for Pakistan even with present naval power to keep it open
however Ghazi styled attack Pakistan brilliantly executed in 1965 and even in 1971 are just mere wishes for Pakistan now


this scenerio can and will definately change with coming 8 chinese subs by 2025 Pakistan will have enough defensive and offensive force
India will also have sub nuclear subs and Aircraft carriers but the battlefield is so close they will have a minimal effect
 
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As an Indian member put it so eloquently in another thread, "If Westerners hurt India then it's fine, if Chinese do it then it's not fine".

They won't.

This isn't the 80s and we aren't the same.

But it is simply immature of China to continue taking a posturing stance in political matters when the past could be shed aside and India, China and Japan could actually become the bulwark of Asia.

You mean like selling your national sovereignty to the US military by signing the LEMOA? :P

To you USA is the enemy; to us they aren't. How is that selling the sovereignty?

We are not having their bases here and won't be having so anytime soon.
 
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You mean like selling your national sovereignty to the US military by signing the LEMOA? :P

People are getting bored of your repeated invalid arguments related to LEMOA !

Logistics in peace time are different to offering military bases like in Taiwan, Japan, South Korea.
 
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And the Americans were static?
But proportionally Indian navy grew more than the US navy.
Although you cannot compare both navies w.r.t capabilities but I see things change in India's favour in the coming decades.
 
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Dear beggaradeshi you keep out of it , our coast guard is enough to sink entire beggaradeshi naval fleet 10 times over

Why curse him, he raised a genuine point..On a side note FYI Indians are the the Top receivers of foreign aid..
 
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But proportionally Indian navy grew more than the US navy.
Although you cannot compare both navies w.r.t capabilities but I see things change in India's favour in the coming decades.

Well as pointed out already, it is an old estimate from a Cold-War era. Things were different back then.

Saying growth in proportion of equipment is quite irrelevant really. Many of the old weapon platforms operated by the U.S. were updated by newer technologies. As long as both military have favorable relations, there shouldn't be any issue. Especially in regards to China.

A combined U.S.-India capacity would outweigh total NATO capacity by some estimates.

Dear beggaradeshi you keep out of it , our coast guard is enough to sink entire beggaradeshi naval fleet 10 times over

And what if I refuse?

I doubt if Mr. Modi will spoil his country's investment in Bangladesh's political spectrum just because your online whims.
 
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“We do not believe Indian naval power can effectively challenge regular US operations in the Indian Ocean, at least until the next century,” a decalcified CIA paper has assumed.

Decalcified, LOLOLOL Whaddid it do? Pass a kidney stone? Decalcified, :rofl:

CIA paper from 1990.

Well, from 1990, 2017 is in the next century ...

8-) Tay.
 
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