We deserve to know the truth about the tirah valley operation and 35 punjab regiment

[pakdefender]

He made that tweet in march when causality was around 100-150 officially

The statement made was unofficial with no backing with facts so why try to correlate it with official figures ? doesn't make any sense

My family is from Srinagar but I have uncles/aunts who live in Mirpur and I don't know what relivence this has lol

you'll get busted very soon

by the way you do agree that Srinagar is not part of india and is part of Pakistan ?

 

[Psychic]

Yaar what is so menacing about it? Casualties happen in wars like this. Important thing is that PA hit back and completed it's objectives although suffering high casualties. There is nothing what your maghz mari will achieve here. If you want to analyse tactics and strategies of PA for future ops then that is another thing which obviously army high command will also do. If you want to mourn here then you must also remember that victory cannot be achieved without sacrifise.

 

[thrilainmanila]

The statement made was unofficial with no backing with facts so why correlate it with official figures ? doesn't make any sense



you'll get busted very soon

by the way you do agree that Srinagar is not part of india and is part of Pakistan ?

I think Kashmir the Indian part should be give autonomy and shouldn't be under either country and allot of Kashmiris atleast the ones from Srinagar have this sentiment there are azaad Kashmiris who want the same thing aswell

 

[pakdefender]

Yaar what is so menacing about it? Casualties happen in wars like this. Important thing is that PA hit back and completed it's objectives although suffering high casualties. There is nothing what your maghz mari will achieve here. If you want to analyse tactics and strategies of PA for future ops then that is another thing which obviously army high command will also do. If you want to mourn here then you must also remember that victory cannot be achieved without sacrifise.

agree with you , but countering the false narratives, mischief of journalists and unverified online information in today's warfare is equally important

I think Kashmir the Indian part should be give autonomy and shouldn't be under either country and allot of Kashmiris atleast the ones from Srinagar have this sentiment there are azaad Kashmiris who want the same thing aswell

OK so further simplification , Kashmir is not part of india , never was and never will be ... you agree ?

 

[Death Adder]

It seems nobody give a shiat about soldiers and junior officers on ground. You expect heavy casualties when commanders rely on Google earth and Toyota double cabins (sadqa) in IED fields. When will PA make use of MRAP's and Satellite imagery?

 

[thrilainmanila]

If your aski

agree with you , but countering the false narratives, mischief of journalists and unverified online information in today's warfare is equally important



OK so further simplification , Kashmir is not part of india , never was and never will be ... you agree ?

if your asking me if I condider myself an Indian then the answer is no, I don't consider either sides of Kashmir to be part of India or Pakistan but I'm speaking in relative terms in actuality it's different like I said I don't understand what your point is

 

[Sinnerman108]

your post/opinion is half arsed, you think ISPR is a credible source this has to be joke of the year, Wajahat S khan isn't some one who is known to spread anti-pak propaganda he's been embeded with the pak army for quite some years and knows more about some of the fighting then most ordinary journalists, he wouldn't just tweet something to spread gossip and gain followers, people ,like you are whats wrong with PDF, you'd rather listen to a diluted version of massive military encounter from a propanganda machine like ISPR, do you honestly believe ISPR? they said that 2500 terrorists attacked a military post which is simply absurd? and being mr guillable your fed there BS.
the army never seems to learn from its mistakes, i just wanted to know know the reason why casualties were so high, its not fair that so many men should die if it was due to poor intel or the fact they werent trained properly.

Answer the question, and don't flaunt your arse around.

What do you intend to achieve out of the information which you demand ?

 

[thrilainmanila]

U need to understand that Kashmir has no official flag the one we have doesn't represent the Muslims living there and I was born in England this is the reason why I don't wish to display any flag

 

[pakdefender]

It seems nobody give a shiat about soldiers and junior officers on ground. You expect heavy casualties when commanders rely on Google earth and Toyota double cabins (sadqa) in IED fields. When will PA make use of MRAP's and Satellite imagery?

Not correct my friend , there are long held traditions in the armed forces for looking after the families of those who laid down their lives in defence of the country , there are funds that are set up for the families of fallen officers and soldiers and serving and retired people give alms/Zakat into these funds also the army itself looks after the families. Bonds in the unit are such that even when an officer or soldier has fallen on the battlefield , their family STILL reamins associated with the unit , still remains connected

Dont just assume things without knowing the real picture , not everything is published online, our Army is very strong institutionally. If the Army falls , Pakistan will fall thats the truth, that's why its the target of enemies of Pakistan

Regarding planning and execution , let me tell you that EVERY single loss of a soldier's has detailed code of enquiry and the officers , CO, 2IC, Company Cdr etc who ever was in charge is answerable. As part of the code of enquiry facts are considered and evaluated as to why the loss occurred , weakness in command and planning don't go unnoticed and
unpunished

U need to understand that Kashmir has no official flag the one we have doesn't represent the Muslims living there and I was born in England this is the reason why I don't wish to display any flag

You were asked a simple question , answer yes or no

Kashmir is not part of india , never was and never will be ... you agree ?

 

[thrilainmanila]

Not correct my friend , there are long held traditions in the armed forces for looking after the families of those who laid down their lives in defence of the country , there are funds that are set up or the families of fallen officers and soldiers and serving and retired people give alms/Zakat into these funds for the families of our fallen soldiers

dont just assume just things without knowing the real picture , not everything is published online, our Army is very strong institutionally. If the Army falls , Pakistan will fall thats the truth, that's why its the target of enemies of Pakistan

Regarding planning and execution , let me tell you that EVERY single loss of a soldier's has detailed code of enquiry which analyses the facts and why the loss occurred , weakness in command and planning don't go unnoticed and
unpunished



You were asked a simple question , answer yes or no

Kashmir is not part of india , never was and never will be ... you agree ?

Are you dumb or something georaphically it is, the ppl living there hold Indian passports if I said isn't it does nt change the fact that it is some of u guys have some sick paranoia

 

[pakdefender]

Are you dumb or something georaphically it is, the ppl living there hold Indian passports if I said isn't it does nt change the fact that it is some of u guys have some sick paranoia

plain yes or no is required

Kashmir is not part of india , never was and never will be ... you agree ? Yes/No

georaphically it is

is it so ?

 

[RealNapster]

No right now you have no right to demand full disclosure of casualties. All you need to know great sacrifices are being made by our soldiers for our future, in any case the media will spin it in other ways.




Yeah he was standing there and watching the whole thin unfold.

You idiot... he was there means it took right near to there house. "An idiot will remains an idiot until and unless he is stopped of doing so"

 

[Death Adder]

Not correct my friend , there are long held traditions in the armed forces for looking after the families of those who laid down their lives in defence of the country , there are funds that are set up or the families of fallen officers and soldiers and serving and retired people give alms/Zakat into these funds for the families of our fallen soldiers

dont just assume just things without knowing the real picture , not everything is published online, our Army is very strong institutionally. If the Army falls , Pakistan will fall thats the truth, that's why its the target of enemies of Pakistan

Regarding planning and execution , let me tell you that EVERY single loss of a soldier's has detailed code of enquiry which analyses the facts and why the loss occurred , weakness in command and planning don't go unnoticed and
unpunished

You are right and i never doubted welfare or army as a institution. I was talking about operational requirements and measures to avoid loss of precious lives. Look at this picture do they have any serious fire power or protection against multiple ambush attacks and IED's? What about ******* MaxPro's and Buffalo's?

 

[RealNapster]

lol ... how did you friend do the count , was he standing and watching as it happened ?

This is just another tall tale .. unfortunately militants from that area have been spinning these tall tales as the army operation has busted long standing myths and FATA will no longer be a no go area for the state authorities.

First , i told you that the figure is 41+ .. i mentioned no exact figure. (so no case of standing there and counting)
2nd, No he was nat standing right there but the incident took place near their home.
3rd, He is against militants groups as much as u and i are. So no case of spinning there tales.
4th, When u sacrificed many lives, Admit it. Otherwise it will be considered as Fraud with those who sacrificed there lives.
Army will never ever tell you that we lost 40 means today, 30 mens the previous day and 200+ in the previous month. (to prevent army mens from demoralizing) , but the reality will remain reality.

 

[pakdefender]

You are right and i never doubted welfare or army as a institution. I was talking about operational requirements and measures to avoid loss of precious lives. Look at this picture do they have any serious fire power or protection against multiple ambush attacks and IED's? What about ******* MaxPro's?

Over time , operational improvements have been made both to gear and tactics but still there is room for improvment

There are now however very detailed standard operating procedures (SOPs) in place with regards to how convoys and troops should move.

For example in the above picture you can be certain that , before the convoy moved out , the ridges would be secured and presence would be established on peak tops , movement of others vehicles would be stopped and in more active areas , gunship cover would be there as well

But room for improvement in gear and tactics is there

First , i told you that the figure is 41+ .. i mentioned no exact figure. (so no case of standing there and counting)
2nd, No he was nat standing right there but the incident took place near their home.
3rd, He is against militants groups as much as u and i are. So no case of spinning there tales.
4th, When u sacrificed many lives, Admit it. Otherwise it will be considered as Fraud with those who sacrificed there lives.
Army will never ever tell you that we lost 40 means today, 30 mens the previous day and 200+ in the previous month. (to prevent army mens from demoralizing) , but the reality will remain reality.

In other words , the figure you quoted is hearsay from your friend who is from that area who lives near the place where the encounter happened ... simple