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We come first, everyone else comes second

first you need to revamp primary education just like chinese and koreans did it in 1980s..put every child ins choll BY FORCE..this isnt a money issue
second..make business easy and digitize everything
third invest in health sector, privatize it, introduce health insurance(free for poor, with premium for middle class, with high premiums for higher class, not free health as we cant afford it yet)
We should also avoid the American health system when making it for profit not free. The American one is very inhumane. Everything else I agree with.

You see, I though you meant higher education like post secondary education when you brought it up. I dont mind primary education being heavily enforced, I believe they should also have a year long class for etiquette and morals.
 
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This article stinks to the core.

Basically he's saying that there's nothing more to do for Kashmir.

This scum is Aman Ki ASHA pusher.

OH Please give some alternates to what Hoodbhoy has said. Give a few things that Pakistan can do for the Kashmiris except the press conference that was held yesterday by the foreign minister and the DGISPR (The UNSC meeting wont be of any help). The current government and establishment are doing all that they can less than waging war. Hence Hoodbhoy basically said that 'nothing can be done for Kashmir now'. This is because the window of opportunity has been missed somewhere between the 60s and the 90s and then both the countries got the A.bomb.

War between the two countries cannot take place without the A.bomb in the equation no matter how many simulations I run in my mind before bedtime. Both the countries are extremely emotional over Kashmir but Pakistan will have to back down because there is not much choice. I just predict that this Kashmir agitation between Pakistan and India will settle down within a weak. Then the chapter between Kashmiri youth and the Indian Paramilitary forces will start.

So, Mr. Hoodhboy wants Pakistan to turn a blind eye to the sufferings of Kashmiris and mind it's own business hoping that Hindutva terrorists would stop at that and let us live in peace ???. These fuking so-called liberals are pro-India hypocrites and are rabidly anti-Islam to the core. Someone should tell this Munafiq that Kashmir is PaKistan's very own business, Kashmiris are not someone else who come second, and that it's a humanitarian issue. If we do not stand up to Hindutva fascism and aggression today, there will be no Pakistan tomorrow .

How do you think Hindu Fascism will affect Pakistan in the future? How will Pakistan cease to exist if we do not stand up to Indian fascism? will they wipe us out with a first strike?
 
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which doctor is leaving and doing manual labour?
and why doctors are leaving..its due to many reasons inculidng lack of development of medicine which is linked to economical development of country

at basic..the economy is fueled by consumption and activity..no country can develop if its primary education level isnt 90% why because banks cant do anything, business cant flourish, money cant interchange hand, in essence civilization doesn't develop ....education is utmost important..
our primary education is at 50% and has decreased in the last 10 years..a whole generation is out of school killing hopes for development even in next few decades
What the education lacks is technical and vocational education. A lot of people are getting science, Arts, and law degrees without job openings. The matching of jobs, training, education and salaries do not add up in a rational way. Even if the direction is corrected it will be a long journey.
 
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How do you think Hindu Fascism will affect Pakistan in the future? How will Pakistan cease to exist if we do not stand up to Indian fascism? will they wipe us out with a first strike?

Firstly, you have replied only to the last sentence of my comment (why quote the entire post then?) so, I assume that you too want Pakistan to turn a blind eye to the sufferings of Kashmiris.

Secondly, I said Hindutva Fascism (not Hindu), do you know what Hindutva 'Project' entails?
 
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The people like Dr. Hoodbhoy are obviously against the very idea of Pakistan. Such people are and were against the partition of India and have existed in Pakistan, since its inception.
 
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I don't understand why we are even producing and debating article by him!!
He wanted to stir division, which you are doing by considering his article in any serious way.
He is known anti Pakistan, how many proofs do you want.

What he had said clearly that don't push for Kashmir anymore, i.e. accept Indian hegemony even if it now comes for Azad Kashmir and GB, let it. You just teach your children science even though Pakistan becomes "Akhand Bharat".
Please remember there is a difference between Sciences and Technology. I am all for technology, but Sciences!! Nah a lot will change about Sciences, because most of them are science theories.
 
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So, abandoning PMD (political, moral , diplomatic) support to Kashmiris guarantee economic progress?

Calling Kashmiris 'others' is an affront. They are ours.

Or maybe he is living in his own bubble and thinks that freezing Kashmir issue will allow us to cut defence expenditures and subsequently improve the economy. Again a flawed assumption since a sum several times our defence budget goes into debt servicing. Even if we declare the LOC as a permanent border, the other side won't and we will still have to keep a significant number of troops to guard it. Nuclear capability does not prevent border skirmishes and loss of territory. The reality today is that even if we hand over AJK to the Indians, there won't be any peace since their objective is akhand bharat.

Mush-Kasuri tried to convert LOC into a border, as soon as India got what it wanted, Manmohan declared Kashmir to be integral part of India and refused further talks---their saner leadership did not do what Hoodbhoy expects from the Modi-Amit-Doval trio.

War between the two countries cannot take place without the A.bomb in the equation no matter how many simulations I run in my mind before bedtime.
You forgot Kargil

What happened in Feb could have had catastrophic consequences as well.
 
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he is not completely wrong..today kashmir would have been free had we strong economy..had we been next korea..instead we saw motorways but ignored primary education


And we do not have that because we were facing a hidden war since our inception.
And economies and gadgets do not win war. Strength that comes from the Faith in the Creator of Everything does. He loves those who stand in His ways and fight for the oppressed and He hates those who involve themsleves in collecting riches and comfort in the Dunya and forget their true purpose.

This pervez Hoodboy whatever is an ignoramus. He can take his intellect and logic and shove it somewhere it bites him so he can comprehend his self inflicted lack of wisdom and "Real" Intellect which is completely void without a link with the source of all Wisdom and Knowledge, The Greatest Lord of All...
 
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so, I assume that you too want Pakistan to turn a blind eye to the sufferings of Kashmiris.

The article by Hoodbhoy is all about turning a blind eye towards the Kashmiris but try to understand his way of thinking: Hoodbhoy thinks that by observing black days and conducting press conferences we literally go nowhere in the positive direction. Pakistan has been all alone in this world trying to help Kashmiris in their struggle against India for the past 73 years. Pakistan has kept all the promises of the Kashmiris. We may continue our ""diplomatic,political and moral"" support to the Kashmiris of whatever help that is (you tell me how helpful it is in the current scenario).
The only reason Pakistan could not exceed the expectations of the Kashmiri brethren with regards to our "promise" is that Pakistani people never fulfilled promises made to our own people. If our leaders fulfilled the promise of an economically strong Pakistan, the story of Kashmir could have been different or today, Pakistan could be in a much confident position. Still there is time that we take course for a stronger Pakistan so in the future we can be in a better position to handle things. Dont you think Hoodbhoy is right at least to some extent Sarmad bhai?

You forgot Kargil

What happened in Feb could have had catastrophic consequences as well.

Psychic bhai, That was a small skirmish and a trailer of sorts. In case of an all out war, nukes will be used in the first 20 days to 1 month of the war.
 
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1499969/promises-broken-and-kept

Pervez HoodbhoyAugust 17, 2019



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The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.
NO Indian prime minister could have stated his promise to Kashmiris more clearly, eloquently and unequivocally: “We do not want to win people against their will and with the help of armed force; and, if the people of Jammu and Kashmir State wish to part company with us, they can go their way and we shall go ours. We want no forced marriages, no forced unions” (Jawaharlal Nehru, Aug 7, 1952).

This solemn commitment was soon broken but not all was lost. Articles 370 and 35-A of the Indian constitution granted India-held Kashmir an autonomous status within the Indian union. Howsoever unsatisfactory and diluted by subsequent governments, in principle, they provided some measure of self-rule. But last week, almost exactly 67 years later, the remaining bits were blasted away when the Modi government revoked these articles.

In a world increasingly tolerant of majoritarian diktat, no global outcry followed. Awed by India’s economic might and growing political clout, the OIC limited itself to the “curtailment of religious freedoms of Kashmiri Muslims”. China took the opportunity to emphasise its own dispute over Aksai-Chin, stopping well short of condemning India. Most disappointingly, for all the red carpets, rose showers, and personal chauffeuring by Prime Minister Khan, MBS of Saudi Arabia kept his royal mouth tightly shut. The UAE went with India.

Friendless, and with the euphoric spurt from Trump’s off-the-cuff mediation offer gone in a puff of smoke, Pakistan says it will still continue to fight back. Our leaders say that to do nothing would violate our 70-year-old commitment to the people of Kashmir to whom we promised political, moral, and diplomatic (PMD) support. Indeed, for 70 years Pakistan has copiously supplied PMD support — followed by support that went well beyond PMD. The latter has come back to haunt; the sword of FATF hangs in full view. To let it fall invites economic catastrophe; to work around it risks perils and pitfalls.

Let’s examine the options available to Pakistan.

Building upon BBC reports and the harrowing news leaking out of Kashmir, Pakistan could focus upon the tribulations of an occupied population. More PMD stuff is easily doable — fly Pakistani and Kashmiri flags together on national days in Pakistan and its overseas embassies; instead of the annual Kashmir Day (Feb 5) make total national shutdowns biannual or perhaps even monthly; bring still more energetic speakers like Zaid Hamid on to TV screens; start morning school assemblies with pledges to liberate Kashmir; etc.

What then? Jacking up public fervour takes little. But as expectations rise, so will the clamour to do more. This shall challenge the Pakistani state, and appeal to discordant voices within the establishment. Public rumblings against the no-war line taken by Prime Minister Khan and Foreign Minister Qureshi — who presumably took it after GHQ nodded its approval — are already audible. There is talk of betrayal.

This is an open vulnerability awaiting exploitation by a desperate opposition that is being hounded to the ground by Khan. Unprincipled politicians could make passionate appeals to a charged public that thinks war with India just means downing a few more Bisons and capturing more Abhinandans. The establishment’s inaction will seem inexplicable. Just as Musharraf was pilloried after 9/11 for being an American stooge and then targeted by suicide attacks, Khan and company could be held as sellouts to the IMF for unduly harassing Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar.

This challenge can only increase in severity in the months ahead. Kashmiris, whether aided or unaided by Pakistan, are bound to react against yet more brutalisation. More Pakistani flags will appear in protest demonstrations but Modi has taken the gamble of his life and doesn’t care. He will simply lay the blame for another Pulwama on Pakistan’s doorstep. How clean and limited the subsequent Indian surgical strike will be — and similarly for the expected counterstrike by Pakistan — one cannot predict.

On the diplomatic front, Pakistan could engage pricey PR firms, send swarms of diplomats abroad, and require its foreign minister to hop non-stop from one capital to the next. Prime Minister Khan, in his speech before the Azad Kashmir Assembly, promised to become Kashmir’s ambassador to the world. He is trying his best. One doesn’t know if Trump will pick up the phone, but so far Khan’s calls to Boris Johnson, Mohammad bin Sultan, and Tayyip Erdogan have produced plain vanilla stuff. It’s not his fault — Nawaz Sharif too had tried and then let his failure eventually dribble through ‘Dawn leaks’.

On the nuclear side, there’s not much to be done. Adding a few more warheads, SLBMs, TNWs, cruise missiles, or increasing ranges and accuracies will have zero effect upon Kashmir. Many years ago, Pakistan and India crossed the point where they could mutually obliterate each other. This, for better or worse, means that the LoC has been frozen. Apart from occasional fiery threats from second-tier political leaders, both countries carefully avoided mention of nuclear weapons after Pulwama. This is very different from the shrillness during India-Pakistan crises in 2002 (Parakaram), 1999 (Kargil), May 1990, and possibly 1987 (Brasstacks).

Pakistan has fulfilled its PMD commitments to the people of Kashmir and done every bit it could. Now it must repair the broken commitments made earlier to the people of Pakistan. The country is in bad shape. It is financially desperate; science and technology-wise it stands nowhere; the largely unskilled workforce is unequipped for a modern economy; population rise is out of control; education is of abysmal quality and access to it is small; work ethics are poor and the citizenry prone to violent behaviour. It has been outstripped by Bangladesh which now enjoys a higher GNP per capita, has much greater foreign exchange reserves, a tight lid on population growth, and offers a much wider net of social services.

The solemn commitments made to the people of Pakistan by every subsequent political leader since Mohammad Ali Jinnah must finally be taken seriously. Although the window is narrowing, it can still be done. The condition: prioritise social welfare and economic development. All else must perforce take care of itself — we come first, everyone else comes second.

Pakistan has kept its commitments to Kashmiris; now it must fulfil promises made to its own citizens.


The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

Published in Dawn, August 17th, 2019

He should be censored from media and banned from public appearances.

I hope GOP will research the connections of this traitor in our ranks.
 
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Are there any Kashmiris from IOK on this forum?
 
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I don't like the way Hoodbhoy seems to throw Kashmiris to the side like they are nothing, but his points about current state of Pak is valid. On the other hand I also cannot disagree completely that Ganga will continue to pinch us and press us where they can if we dont do anything. I believe we should humiliate them in every forum , though I am not sure how much it would deter them. If we were a stronger country (better trade ties and economy) more countries would tell Ganga to back off. This is not an easy situation and I hope the gov makes wise decision on the next step taking everything into consideration
 
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