Washington may ask New Delhi to make a choice: Russia or US

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

Most of the people who post on these forums have no idea.

 

[beijingwalker]

I bet India will go for US.

 

[PurpleStone]

If you love them so much why are you in America?

The fact is even the harshest critics of the US in India do not hate America or Americans in spite of lack of US support to India against China or Pakistan.

India equally loves both the US & Russia.

 

[randomradio]

Idiot. Jahil and ignorant. Repeat the crap you hear in Bollywood news

There should be a limit to getting butthurt when you don't like the truth.

Modi is no Indira.



'This woman suckered us', said Nixon of Indira Gandhi
"She suckered us. Suckered us.....this woman suckered us." So said an enraged US president Richard Nixon of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi after learning that war had broken out on the subcontinent in 1971.
DELHI Updated: Mar 02, 2010 12:35 IST
IANS

"She suckered us. Suckered us.....this woman suckered us." So said an enraged US president Richard Nixon of Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi after learning that war had broken out on the subcontinent on Dec 3, 1971, and Indian forces had made a decisive push towards then East Pakistan that it recognised as Bangladesh three days later.

Nixon, who had met Gandhi just a month earlier in Washington, had sought assurances from her that India would not take any precipitate military action pending efforts by the US to find a political solution that would not "shatter the cohension of West Pakistan" and end up "overthrowing President Yahya (Khan)" who was pivotal to America's China initiative afer 22 years of diplomatic freeze.

Nixon had then made it clear to Mrs Gandhi that "nothing could be served by the disintegration of Pakistan" and even warned darkly that "it would be impossible to calculate with precision the steps which other great powers might take if India were to initiate hostilities".

Nixon's presentations were heard with "aloof indifference" by Mrs Gandhi, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was quoted as telling author Kalyani Shankar in her just published book Nixon, Indira and India - Politics and Beyond (Macmillan/Rs. 445).

Nixon's frustration at not being able to make Mrs Gandhi back off from war reflected in his telephone conversation with Kissinger on Dec 6. Almost fumbling for words without breaking into expletives at the turn of the situation in the subcontinent at a time when Yahya Khan's propping up was imperative for American foreign policy interests, Nixon wondered if he was "too easy on that goddamn woman when she was here".


Even as Kissinger tried to pacify a fuming president by saying he was only following advice to be "gracious" to a visiting dignitary, Nixon agreed at one point with Kissinger that he should have probably "brutalised" her and followed up by threatening: "But let me tell you she is going to pay. She is going to pay."

Nixon even asked Kissinger whether the Chinese would make threatening moves towards India. But the Chinese, much to the chagrin of the Americans did not agree to "intimidate the Indians", as the author points out, because the Chinese thought that "independence for East Pakistan was a foregone conclusion.

"It (China) was prepared to endorse UN proposal for a standstill ceasefire and forgo a demand for mutual troop withdrawal," the book states.

When even the Soviets refused to put presssure on New Delh for a ceasefire, Nixon ordered the Seventh Fleet into the Indian Ocean in a threatening gesture. The Fleet, consisting of an aircraft carrier and four destroyers, was to move towards Karachi with the publicly stated aim that they would stand by for "possible evacuation" of Americans although the intention was to browbeat India in case the government in New Delh did not agree to an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal.

India did finally agree to a ceasefire, but that was only on Dec 17 after Indian forces marched into Dhaka (then Dacca). There was a ceasefire also in the west with India assuring that it had no desire to seize the territory of West Pakistan, an assurance it delivered to Wasington via Moscow.

The book provides a fascinating insight for foreign policy researchers into the Nixon era and his famous tilt towards Pakistan based on now declassified 'top-secret' documents and top-level telephone transcripts pertaining to Nixon's visit to India in 1969 and Mrs Gandhi's visit to Washington in 1971 that were obtained from the United States National Archives and the National Security Archives.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/delh...dira-gandhi/story-WGR773bfTnuAsEffYYvq5O.html

Modi has no need to use trickery.

Sushma Swaraj has said it flat-out.

 

[Trango Towers]

There should be a limit to getting butthurt when you don't like the truth.



Modi has no need to use trickery.

Sushma Swaraj has said it flat-out.

Go drink some cow pee....no point talking to a man who spends his time drinking piss. Clearly gone to your head

 

[khansaheeb]

Modi is no Indira.



'This woman suckered us', said Nixon of Indira Gandhi
"She suckered us. Suckered us.....this woman suckered us." So said an enraged US president Richard Nixon of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi after learning that war had broken out on the subcontinent in 1971.
DELHI Updated: Mar 02, 2010 12:35 IST
IANS

"She suckered us. Suckered us.....this woman suckered us." So said an enraged US president Richard Nixon of Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi after learning that war had broken out on the subcontinent on Dec 3, 1971, and Indian forces had made a decisive push towards then East Pakistan that it recognised as Bangladesh three days later.

Nixon, who had met Gandhi just a month earlier in Washington, had sought assurances from her that India would not take any precipitate military action pending efforts by the US to find a political solution that would not "shatter the cohension of West Pakistan" and end up "overthrowing President Yahya (Khan)" who was pivotal to America's China initiative afer 22 years of diplomatic freeze.

Nixon had then made it clear to Mrs Gandhi that "nothing could be served by the disintegration of Pakistan" and even warned darkly that "it would be impossible to calculate with precision the steps which other great powers might take if India were to initiate hostilities".

Nixon's presentations were heard with "aloof indifference" by Mrs Gandhi, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was quoted as telling author Kalyani Shankar in her just published book Nixon, Indira and India - Politics and Beyond (Macmillan/Rs. 445).

Nixon's frustration at not being able to make Mrs Gandhi back off from war reflected in his telephone conversation with Kissinger on Dec 6. Almost fumbling for words without breaking into expletives at the turn of the situation in the subcontinent at a time when Yahya Khan's propping up was imperative for American foreign policy interests, Nixon wondered if he was "too easy on that goddamn woman when she was here".


Even as Kissinger tried to pacify a fuming president by saying he was only following advice to be "gracious" to a visiting dignitary, Nixon agreed at one point with Kissinger that he should have probably "brutalised" her and followed up by threatening: "But let me tell you she is going to pay. She is going to pay."

Nixon even asked Kissinger whether the Chinese would make threatening moves towards India. But the Chinese, much to the chagrin of the Americans did not agree to "intimidate the Indians", as the author points out, because the Chinese thought that "independence for East Pakistan was a foregone conclusion.

"It (China) was prepared to endorse UN proposal for a standstill ceasefire and forgo a demand for mutual troop withdrawal," the book states.

When even the Soviets refused to put presssure on New Delh for a ceasefire, Nixon ordered the Seventh Fleet into the Indian Ocean in a threatening gesture. The Fleet, consisting of an aircraft carrier and four destroyers, was to move towards Karachi with the publicly stated aim that they would stand by for "possible evacuation" of Americans although the intention was to browbeat India in case the government in New Delh did not agree to an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal.

India did finally agree to a ceasefire, but that was only on Dec 17 after Indian forces marched into Dhaka (then Dacca). There was a ceasefire also in the west with India assuring that it had no desire to seize the territory of West Pakistan, an assurance it delivered to Wasington via Moscow.

The book provides a fascinating insight for foreign policy researchers into the Nixon era and his famous tilt towards Pakistan based on now declassified 'top-secret' documents and top-level telephone transcripts pertaining to Nixon's visit to India in 1969 and Mrs Gandhi's visit to Washington in 1971 that were obtained from the United States National Archives and the National Security Archives.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/delh...dira-gandhi/story-WGR773bfTnuAsEffYYvq5O.html

Poor President Nixon was used by Kissinger and his gang and then ceremoniously dumped once they had achieved their objectives. At that time US was obliged to intervene on behalf of Pakistan, because of the Pacts Pakistan had signed, but as usual agreements on paper have no meaning and everything goes in love and war. China was ready to intervene but was asked not to by Yaya Khan because he believed the US fleet was coming to the rescue! Z.Bhutto who was the foreign minister saw the futility of political association with East Pakistan and the drain it was having on W.Pakistan and was intelligent enough to know that E.Pakistan had to be sacrificed.

As for the Indian army taking W.Pakistan they tried their best but were given a humiliating defeat and lost considerable amount of Territory. The Indians then went running off to the UN pleading for a ceasefire with the backing of the Soviets and the duplicitous Yanks.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

We didn't close our embassies in DPRK when America was urging us to, and now as well our decision will not be curbed.

On related news.
James Mattis on giving waiver to India from CAATSA.

 

[hazzam]

Poor President Nixon was used by Kissinger and his gang and then ceremoniously dumped once they had achieved their objectives. At that time US was obliged to intervene on behalf of Pakistan, because of the Pacts Pakistan had signed, but as usual agreements on paper have no meaning and everything goes in love and war. China was ready to intervene but was asked not to by Yaya Khan because he believed the US fleet was coming to the rescue! Z.Bhutto who was the foreign minister saw the futility of political association with East Pakistan and the drain it was having on W.Pakistan and was intelligent enough to know that E.Pakistan had to be sacrificed.

As for the Indian army taking W.Pakistan they tried their best but were given a humiliating defeat and lost considerable amount of Territory. The Indians then went running off to the UN pleading for a ceasefire with the backing of the Soviets and the duplicitous Yanks.

so it was a win for pakistan as india was unable to capture west pakistan .

 

[Robinhood Pandey]

Modi is no Indira.

India is no Pakistan either !

so it was a win for pakistan as india was unable to capture west pakistan .

 

[PurpleStone]

There should be a limit to getting butthurt when you don't like the truth.



Modi has no need to use trickery.

Sushma Swaraj has said it flat-out.

Modi calls all the shots and makes all the foreign policy decisions. Sushma ji is a feather lite minister. Hence she is called the twitter minister. Her role starts and ends with issuing visas and addressing humanitarian issues.

I bet India will go for US.

Agree.

 

[my2cents]

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I will bet Modi will choose US.

I also hope Modi will choose US over Russia.

 

[INDIAISM]

It's not much of a choice, it will be USA. Indians still have the colonial mindset and still haven't been able to get rid of the shackles of dependency; very much like a housewife dependent on her husband.

But seriously, we are coming to the crossroads of the new world order and how things unravel will set the stage for the next quarter of a century. US is ascertaining and finalising it's pieces, weak pieces will be discarded and powerful ones used in the next phase of expansion and consolidation of it's interests ( a very broad term). It would be interesting how India responds to "you are either with us or against us" as they are too intertwined economically and unraveling could be quite costly. This is the the time the Indian diplomats have to prove their worth and it would be interesting to see how it plays out.

Trump tamasha hi hi..

Look who is talking about shackles of dependency and colonial mindset....I mean seriously....Till last decade you were following US order by fighting their war.. ...and now you are totally dependent on china to fuel your economy....

 

[randomradio]

Go drink some cow pee....no point talking to a man who spends his time drinking piss. Clearly gone to your head

The butthurt is strong in this one.

I also hope Modi will choose US over Russia.

The US has nothing to offer to us.

 

[jetray]

These articles are really funny. They always demonstrate the writer's fundamental lack of knowledge in anything to do with foreign policy.

India has always operated in a grey area. India will trade with the US or Russia depending on what's being offered. We choose the product, not the seller. If the seller itself is not inclined to sell, then we will just buy it from someone else. If it's not available from someone else, then tough, but we will never choose the seller for the product.

India has no brand loyalty.

Hollow heads keep echoing the same thing with no facts or rationale. It is due to absolute frustration & total helplessness. This thinking more or less comes with their painful experience and existence. You can see this in modified titles of posts, twisting facts, calling names , using emojis, personal attacks...etc. As they say just bcos dogs bark heavens does not become disturbed.

Indian foreign policy will be independent and will only be based on its requirements.

 

[Dalit]

LOL what did I tell you folks?

I predicted this word for word. In fact letter for letter.