Washington may ask New Delhi to make a choice: Russia or US

[ziaulislam]

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I will bet Modi will choose US.

i bet it will be both

 

[ziaulislam]

If Kashmir was resolved there would be no need for Pakistan or Indian to spend so much on defence. They would have money for poverty schools healthcare and all things that matter. Sadly the white man left us in a mess and we are so stupid that we continue

wing
there still would be china

yes for Pakistan true...we will decrease the spending to let say half but I wonder ...
if 60% of all resources( provincial resources) and 50% of federal resources(after defense and debt servicing ) will not help us another 12.5% will not help us as welll...the decrease spending meaning less military jobs and thats it ...

problem is poor governance not defences

look at korea and israel

 

[Tshering22]

India should choose Australia.

We would like to. But your geography remains a major defining point for your choice of alliances. It benefits you to stay away from the global geopolitics. And mind you; we are not exactly in a region as peaceful as you are.

On a serious note, we don't align with anyone but ourselves. Others' fights are not our fights. Our ties with Russia (and other CIS countries) date to 70 years. During these times, a lot of effort has been put to maintain excellent relations and instill a sense of mutual confidence. Russia and many other CIS states remain countries with whom we have absolutely no issues and pretty much agree on a lot of international matters.

US meanwhile has been an emerging friend and a very rational and number-driven one at that. While we appreciate their rationale in welcoming us, we are not Europeans to fight their wars. Most of Europe has achieved its targets in terms of public facilities, infrastructure, technology etc and thus can focus its energy outside. We have a lot of issues to deal with.

Therefore choosing one over another is never the option.

US could never force its hands on us before and it won't do so now.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

You are not much of an arms exporter.

Yeah was a being sarcastic? Considering the debate of who talks the best bullshit.

 

[SrNair]

Washington may ask New Delhi to make a choice: Russia or US
ET Bureau|
May 30, 2018, 07.38 AM IST

A US team will be in India in mid-June for talks on the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement. Washington wants New Delhi to agree to this protocol.


New Delhi: The Indo-US 2+2 dialogue is likely to see Washington asking New Delhi to make a fundamental choice of whether it wants the US or Russia to be its principal defence partner.

The dialogue, which is now slated for July first week, will have external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj and defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman in a joint conversation with their respective US counterparts on key strategic issues.

Ahead of that meeting, a US team will be in India in mid-June for talks on the Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (Comcasa). Washington wants New Delhi to agree to this protocol so as to enable better interoperability and transfer to sensitive technology.

According those familiar with the thinking in Washington, the US wants India to understand that while it’s willing to part with sophisticated equipment and share technology, it’s concerned that India will be operating these platforms alongside Russian equipment.

The message to New Delhi is that India must choose the country it wants as its principal defence partner. It’s in this context that the proposed Indian deal for S-400 air defence system with Russia has come under the scanner.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-choice-russia-or-us/articleshow/64377887.cms

Lol
India didnt ask for any favour.
We are buying weapons with our own cash .
Compare ILyushin and C 17 ,C17 was best ,so we bought it .
But now for us S400 is better than Patriot .
So we are buying it .

This is not a game just a business.
If you want business us you can follow cooperation with us .Or we will show you the door

It's not much of a choice, it will be USA. Indians still have the colonial mindset and still haven't been able to get rid of the shackles of dependency; very much like a housewife dependent on her husband.

But seriously, we are coming to the crossroads of the new world order and how things unravel will set the stage for the next quarter of a century. US is ascertaining and finalising it's pieces, weak pieces will be discarded and powerful ones used in the next phase of expansion and consolidation of it's interests ( a very broad term). It would be interesting how India responds to "you are either with us or against us" as they are too intertwined economically and unraveling could be quite costly. This is the the time the Indian diplomats have to prove their worth and it would be interesting to see how it plays out.

Trump tamasha hi hi..

Pakistanis have colonial mindset .Time and again they are still proving it .
And India is in a different league .
This game is not your cup of tea

 

[PurpleStone]

Foreign policy is decided by bureaucrats, like Doval.

And people like Doval are selected by Modi. Bureaucrats only prepare the ground work while the decision is always made by the Ministers. But it is Modi not Sushmaji who would be making the decision.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Poor President Nixon was used by Kissinger and his gang and then ceremoniously dumped once they had achieved their objectives. At that time US was obliged to intervene on behalf of Pakistan, because of the Pacts Pakistan had signed, but as usual agreements on paper have no meaning and everything goes in love and war. China was ready to intervene but was asked not to by Yaya Khan because he believed the US fleet was coming to the rescue! Z.Bhutto who was the foreign minister saw the futility of political association with East Pakistan and the drain it was having on W.Pakistan and was intelligent enough to know that E.Pakistan had to be sacrificed.

As for the Indian army taking W.Pakistan they tried their best but were given a humiliating defeat and lost considerable amount of Territory. The Indians then went running off to the UN pleading for a ceasefire with the backing of the Soviets and the duplicitous Yanks.

Totally false reading of history.China couldn't intervene because of 2 reasons - the indian army purposedly planned the operation in the winter months when the snows had begun to fall on the himalayan passes and 2)Indian signed a defence pact with ussr.Attacking India would have meant war with the soviet red army.Indira gandhi diplomatically checkmated both usa and china.
Bhutto didn't want to sacrifice east pak because it was a 'drain',but because west pakistan was his political base and as long as east pak existed he had to share power,if it was gone he would be politically supreme.
On the western front.First operation chingiz khan failed miserably.Thereafter PAF was slowly beaten out from over its own skies and withdrew most of its aircraft to its western bases and sortie rates fell dramatically.Karachi was burned by IN along with half a dozen PN ships and blocakde imposed.On land despite being outnumbered Indian army attacked in sialkot sector and won the battle of basantar.To the south PA attempted a major tank attack but was stalled by a single company of infantry and smashed to pieces at longewala without air support by IAF hunters .It was Pakistan that came pleading to India to release its 90k POWs at shimla.

 

[Hindustani78]

Make money in America, buy weapons from Russia.

I think you are talking about Chinese, Pakistanis, Iranians, Vietnamese etc. But here you are not seeing what type of intelligence outputs these countries establishments knows about United States of America internal security even the CIA and FBI are having lot of evidence related to the stealing of senstive technology by the Chinese.

Pak Army has no interest in resolving the Kashmir issue. If we are going back to the past, then Nehru should never have stopped the 1947 war in the first place.

Actually its the Chinese , Russians and British and even up to some extent French. Great game , almost more than 100 years . So much population transfers have took place against the wishes of the native people.

And a huge chunk of our military expenditure is geared towards tackling China also, so India's expenditure won't reduce regardless of a Kashmir resolution.

Indian defense industry is not dependable and thats make the Indian Defence Budget less compare to other nations. Most of the Indian Defense budget goes in infrastructure of ports, roads, airports, bridges etc and in that the raw material is from Indian mines , cement from Indian factories, manpower even from Indians.

If Kashmir was resolved there would be no need for Pakistan or Indian to spend so much on defence. They would have money for poverty schools healthcare and all things that matter. Sadly the white man left us in a mess and we are so stupid that we continue

Pakistan has opted for Chinese foreign policy which completely violates Republic of India Soveriginity. So here talking about white man and pointing out towards United States of America doesnt make any sense.

 

[randomradio]

And people like Doval are selected by Modi. Bureaucrats only prepare the ground work while the decision is always made by the Ministers. But it is Modi not Sushmaji who would be making the decision.

Nope. Foreign policy is determined by bureaucrats regardless of appointment.

Modi appoints the ISRO Chief also, doesn't mean Modi is designing rockets and satellites.

 

[Rank]

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I will bet Modi will choose US.

Because the bearacry, their kids are in US and the business community is more interested to get business from USA instead of China but this is a defence related matter. US will hard on you guys that's what we Pakistanis and people of other countries telling you since long time. USA is USA you are just nothing but a tissue paper (purpose of supporting you to containment of China). If US realize that India is not interested okay fine move on and create hurdle and problems for you. The problem is Indian ever indulge with US in defence and strategic related issues particularly related to military and that is the focal point of US foreign policy to play everything with or by Pentagon. You guys soon will face massive backlash by doing defence related agreements.

Mark my words Indians have NO idea about US when US comes to the point where they have straight agenda "are you with us or with other"

 

[Asian.Century]

With or Against us, time is ticking for India.

 

[PurpleStone]

Nope. Foreign policy is determined by bureaucrats regardless of appointment.

Modi appoints the ISRO Chief also, doesn't mean Modi is designing rockets and satellites.

 

[randomradio]

Because the bearacry, their kids are in US and the business community is more interested to get business from USA instead of China but this is a defence related matter. US will hard on you guys that's what we Pakistanis and people of other countries telling you since long time. USA is USA you are just nothing but a tissue paper (purpose of supporting you to containment of China). If US realize that India is not interested okay fine move on and create hurdle and problems for you. The problem is Indian ever indulge with US in defence and strategic related issues particularly related to military and that is the focal point of US foreign policy to play everything with or by Pentagon. You guys soon will face massive backlash by doing defence related agreements.

Mark my words Indians have NO idea about US when US comes to the point where they have straight agenda "are you with us or with other"

India is too big to choose sides.

 

[khansaheeb]

Look who is talking about shackles of dependency and colonial mindset....I mean seriously....Till last decade you were following US order by fighting their war.. ...and now you are totally dependent on china to fuel your economy....

Who came out stronger , better armed ,better trained and booming economy? It's all about strategy , plans and outcomes and Pakistan came out winning on all three. US put an investment in and got little out and had to retreat and restrategise. India is backing a losing horse and soon will be sucked into the mire deeply.

 

[fallstuff]

If Kashmir was resolved, we'll find the next thing to fight over and everything will be back on stride. Might even be as ludicrous as team captain america or team iron man, but we'll still be fighting. Simply moving the border won't fix 70 years of systematically instilled fear mongering. That'll take constructive steps between both populations, almost unperceived level of communications between the populations and a miracle in the way both governments run things.

Certainly post of the day.