Views of Pakistanis regarding 1965 war

[53fd]

My my...are you saying what the Air Chief Marshal, not some goddamned private, said is false ?

What did the Air Chief Marshal have to do with "Operation Gibraltor"? He has his own opinion, & he is free to express it. Just like India's Lt-Gen who conducted the war in 1999 said India lost the Kargil war. The Army itself denied complicity in the infiltration.

And I am saying, even if the Army were involved in the infiltration, it was India that triggered that with its actions on the Rann of Kutch a few months ago.

 

[53fd]

We cannot allow islands of foreign state,among the Indian territory.Historically Hyderabad was a part of British dominion in India,with Pakistan not claiming Hyderabad.Hence it goes to India.The case is similar to Baluchistan and Pakistan.

Hyderabad wanted to join Pakistan, but it was captured by India by force. The same with Junagarh. Balochistan never wanted to join India, so the point is moot.

And Kashmir became a part of India,the day Maharaja of Kashmir acceded to India.

Kashmir is disputed territory as per UN Resolutions, not Indian territory. Even if the Pakistan military did go into Kashmir, it did not go into Indian territory, it did not cross an international border. So it was India that initiated the war when it crossed international borders into Pakistan.

 

[harshad]

What did the Air Chief Marshal have to do with "Operation Gibraltor"? He has his own opinion, & he is free to express it. Just like India's Lt-Gen who conducted the war in 1999 said India lost the Kargil war. The Army itself denied complicity in the infiltration.

And I am saying, even if the Army were involved in the infiltration, it was India that triggered that with its actions on the Rann of Kutch a few months ago.

so there was no coordination between the three pakistani forces?
for you ignorance is bliss i guess

 

[Bhairava]

What did the Air Chief Marshal have to do with "Operation Gibraltor"? He has his own opinion, & he is free to express it. Just like India's Lt-Gen who conducted the war in 1999 said India lost the Kargil war. The Army itself denied complicity in the infiltration.

And I am saying, even if the Army were involved in the infiltration, it was India that triggered that with its actions on the Rann of Kutch a few months ago.

Now please again dont say that the Pak Army denied it.

Then he directed a still highly skeptical Nur Khan to Lt-Gen Akhtar Hasan Malik, GOC Kashmir, the man in-charge of “Operation Gibraltar” for further details. The long and short of his discussion with Gen Malik was, “don’t worry, because the plan to send in some 800,000 infiltrators inside the occupied territory to throw out the Indian troops with the help of the local population”, was so designed that the Indians would not be able retaliate and therefore the airforce need not get into war-time mode.

Akhtar Hasan Malik was infact an Army man. Still going to deny it and make yourself look like a clown infront of everyone ?

 

[nForce]

Hyderabad wanted to join Pakistan, but it was captured by India by force. The same with Junagarh. Balochistan never wanted to join India, so the point is moot.



Kashmir is disputed territory as per UN Resolutions, not Indian territory. Even if the Pakistan military did go into Kashmir, it did not go into Indian territory, it did not cross an international border. So it was India that initiated the war when it crossed international borders into Pakistan.

Nizam of Hyderabad wanted to stay independent,get your facts straight.The plebiscite of Junagadh was accepted by Pakistan.You cant just accept some decision and then accuse for the same,can you?

Kashmir did accede to India.That makes it Indian territory.

 

[Bhairava]

Nizam of Hyderabad wanted to stay independent,get your facts straight.The plebiscite of Junagadh was accepted by Pakistan.You cant just accept some decision and then accuse for the same,can you?

Kashmir did accede to India.That makes it Indian territory.

Force bhai, he knows it.

He just needs to divert the topic somewhere after all his claims about the mythical Pakistani 'victory' in '65 were debunked thorouoghly so much so that he now claims that the ex-ACM of PAF did not know anything and what he says is a lie !

 

[53fd]

so there was no coordination between the three pakistani forces?
for you ignorance is bliss i guess

So, I am saying the infiltration is irrelevant, because India caught the infiltrators, waited for a few days to act Pakistan, tried to surprise Pakistan but failed. And before the infiltration, it was India's role in the Rann of Kutch a few months before that led to the Kashmir infiltration.

 

[nForce]

Force bhai, he knows it.

He just needs to divert the topic somewhere after all his claims about the mythical Pakistani 'victory' in '65 were debunked thorouoghly so much so that he now claims that the ex-ACM of PAF did not know anything and what he says is a lie !

History 101 for a few people...

 

[harshad]

So, I am saying the infiltration is irrelevant, because India caught the infiltrators, waited for a few days to act Pakistan, tried to surprise Pakistan but failed. And before the infiltration, it was India's role in the Rann of Kutch a few months before that led to the Kashmir infiltration.

yeah the pakistani forces gained confidence from the rann of kutch to try the 1965 misadventure(1pakistani soldier =10 indian soldiers),the infiltration wasent a small group but in large numbers which was supported by your army which resulted in the escelation

 

[Nelson]

Kashmir is disputed territory as per UN Resolutions, not Indian territory. Even if the Pakistan military did go into Kashmir, it did not go into Indian territory, it did not cross an international border. So it was India that initiated the war when it crossed international borders into Pakistan.

Since when you guys started taking UN seriously?

According to UN resolution, Pak should withdraw from Kashmir. Now what does that tell you?

 

[Bang Galore]

Kashmir is disputed territory as per UN Resolutions, not Indian territory. Even if the Pakistan military did go into Kashmir, it did not go into Indian territory, it did not cross an international border. So it was India that initiated the war when it crossed international borders into Pakistan.

Interesting argument. Guess it is okay for Afghans then to do anything within areas this side of the Durand line since they don't recognise it. Are you arguing that the LoC does not exist? It is a signed & documented treaty btw, not just a line. Why then do your countrymen argue about Siachen which is not even documented on the LoC (its on the LoAC)? Funny argument.

 

[MilSpec]

indians are always spreading propaganda and lies. its that what they teach you in your hindustani schools.

what does your own air chief marshalA. Khan say about this???????? Epic Fail Dude

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So, I am saying the infiltration is irrelevant, because India caught the infiltrators, waited for a few days to act Pakistan, tried to surprise Pakistan but failed. And before the infiltration, it was India's role in the Rann of Kutch a few months before that led to the Kashmir infiltration.

Rann of kutch led to kashmir?? and i was under the impression that kashmir was because kashmiris wanted out of evil bharti empire??

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What did the Air Chief Marshal have to do with "Operation Gibraltor"? He has his own opinion, & he is free to express it. Just like India's Lt-Gen who conducted the war in 1999 said India lost the Kargil war. The Army itself denied complicity in the infiltration.

And I am saying, even if the Army were involved in the infiltration, it was India that triggered that with its actions on the Rann of Kutch a few months ago.

India's fault right?
Pakistani patrols began patrolling in territory controlled by India in January 1965, which was followed by attacks by both countries on each others posts on 8 April 1965.[13][14] Initially involving border police from both nations, the disputed area soon witnessed intermittent skirmishes between the countries' armed forces. In June 1965, British Prime Minister Harold Wilson successfully persuaded both countries to end hostilities and set up a tribunal to resolve the dispute. The verdict, which came later in 1968, saw Pakistan awarded 350 square miles (900 km²) of the Rann of Kutch, as against its original claim of 3,500 square miles (9,100 km2)

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Hyderabad wanted to join Pakistan, but it was captured by India by force. The same with Junagarh. Balochistan never wanted to join India, so the point is moot.



Kashmir is disputed territory as per UN Resolutions, not Indian territory. Even if the Pakistan military did go into Kashmir, it did not go into Indian territory, it did not cross an international border. So it was India that initiated the war when it crossed international borders into Pakistan.

Once Hari Singh signed instrument of accession, Kashmir became Indian State, hence you were the occupiers ... Indian forces reppeled pakistani forces to retain more than 65% of jammu kashmir

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Why did India try to annex Rann of Kutch by force before that? Why did it do the same with Hyderabad, Siachen, Junagarh?

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Kashmir is not Indian territory, so it was not an act of war. Lahore is Pakistani territory, so India initiating the attack by attacking Lahore is an act of war.

Kashmir Is 100% Indian territory... try sending your army again see what happens!!!

 

[53fd]

Interesting argument. Guess it is okay for Afghans then to do anything within areas this side of the Durand line since they don't recognise it. Are you arguing that the LoC does not exist? It is a signed & documented treaty btw, not just a line. Why then do your countrymen argue about Siachen which is not even documented on the LoC (its on the LoAC)? Funny argument.

The Durand Line is an internationally recognized border, not the LOC in disputed territory Kashmir.

 

[Bhairava]

The Durand Line is an internationally recognized border, not the LOC in disputed territory Kashmir.

The same argument can be given by India when Pakistan cries about Siachen. That its on the LoC and hence not war.

So the concluding remarks of this thread -

• Pakistan initiated the hostilities in '65 with the aim of liberating Kashmir from Indian rule and failed.
• The war ended in a stalemate with India enjoying a definite upper hand.

The thread can be closed !

 

[notsuperstitious]

The Durand Line is an internationally recognized border, not the LOC in disputed territory Kashmir.

LOC demarcates possession. There are UN observers (UNMOGIP) on LOC. Crossing it with armed personnel is WAR. By your logic no war took place in Kargil, although your army did try that chickenish logic first, getting only laughter from world over in return. Stop making arguments for the sake of making arguments.