Vietnam's Kilo-class submarines a serious threat to China

[Heinz Guderian]

It does matter to Japan. A war in Southeast Asia is not allowed.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/files/000031617.pdf

Vietnam’s Extensive Strategic Partnership with Japan | The Diplomat

Just for the sake of the news
Japan to Join US, India in Military Exercises this Year | The Diplomat

 

[FaujHistorian]

I disagree with you
You've studied THEIR history which are manipulated to their favour

What Japanese history lessons leave out - BBC News
Japanese history textbook provokes sharp controversy - World Socialist Web Site
Japanese Schoolbooks Anger S. Korea, China (washingtonpost.com)
Japan Is Trying to Rewrite Its Horrific World War II History — We Can't Let That Happen - Mic
Will Japan’s habit of rewriting its history affect its future? - The Washington Post



It is hard not to bring emotions about the Japanese if you look at these horrors

Japan has invaded China so many times just in recent history:

May 1874
Japanese invasion of Taiwan (1874) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 August 1894 – 17 April 1895
First Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

May–October 1895
Japanese invasion of Taiwan (1895) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1900
Eight-Nation Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

September 19, 1931
Japanese invasion of Manchuria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mukden Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

July 7, 1937 – September 9, 1945
Second Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Unit 731 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comfort women - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please consider important things about war history.

Japan

before WW-2 -- very aggressive
after WW-2 -- Totally passive

Germany

before WW-2 -- very aggressive
after WW-2 -- Totally passive

Hope this helps.

 

[Keel]

Please consider important things about war history.

Japan

before WW-2 -- very aggressive
after WW-2 -- Totally passive

Germany

before WW-2 -- very aggressive
after WW-2 -- Totally passive

Hope this helps.

Wrong again my friend

during ww2 - a disgrace to human race that initiated a war which has killed and tortured not just millions of Chinese but
Russians, Brits, Americans, Pinoys, Burmese, Singaporeans. Australians Koreans Indonesians Malaysians ...

after ww2 - controlled by usa and their "pacifists constitution" which is going to be abolished
and they have yet to face the history!

and check out the wordings of these declarations on who should be the rightful owner of Diaoyu Islands:

Cairo Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Potsdam Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this movie

Ancient Chinese Horticulture - Pensai

 

[dichoi]

Japan warships visited Danang Vietnam.

US Navy visited Vietnam.

Vietnam Kilos.

 

[dichoi]

 

[xunzi]

The only difference is that the British have had a long time legacy of great Naval Prowess in modern history.

Britain has an unprecedented naval history , whose power was unrivaled for almost 3 centuries. China , specifically the PLAN, is largely untested in an extra-hemispherical condition and have largely remained within their borders for most of the PRC's and the PLAN's existence. They have had no experience or exposure to combating a large naval military force or have experience in a combined land - naval expeditionary mission.

The only Navy in Asia, specifically the Pacific Region, that has a history and legacy of this, as well as carrier based warfare is the Japanese Maritime Defense Force, which is the Legacy of the Great Imperial Japanese Navy [Dai Nippon Teikoku Kaigun]

You brag quite a bit for a country whose naval experience come from bullying the weak in Southeast Asia and defeating us when we were in a chaotic time during revolution and civil war. This is not to mention you have the least impressive naval war in WWII. I don't even think you won a single battle against your real peer, USA. In fact, 90% of your warship dropped to the ocean floor like fruit flies. So the next time you try to brag, remember that you have no war experience for the last 60 years where war doctrine, military technology, and global power parity is a lot more balance and different. We are in the 21st century where information age have added a new dimension to the word War. What you did in the mechanized age no longer apply, my friend. Last but not least, remember try not to suck cock from the West and hide behind them when you brag. It is pathetic imo.

As for this little Vietnamese. Our warning to them is consistent and always peaceful. If they attack our islands possession, we will utterly destroy their jungle.

 

[70U63]

Stop speaking like an Asia version of world police.
You sound like some of those western press who always stated that the Chinese activities in SCS will disrupt the free trade and navigation which is totally bs. No one in ASEAN have luxury of going to war, unless their leaders are incompetent that lead their people to the path. We are not in WW2 era now
Oh well... i shouldn't take thing seriously, as everyone is trolling here....

Japan and her relevant allies in the NATO, USA, UN + ASEAN will not tolerate a war in the region that will upset trade. Any thing that will disrupt the free trade and free navigation of ships through the South China Sea Region will merit the critical response of all affected international parties.

I doubt any power will risk such a response. I doubt any nation in the Far East will risk a critical response for such little political gain.

The odds are not in her favor.

 

[dichoi]

ASEAN Patrols in the South China Sea?
A US official suggests ASEAN states undertake joint patrols in the South China Sea.

Earlier this week, the commander of the U.S. Navy Seventh Fleet made headlines when he suggested that ASEAN countries could cooperate to form a maritime force to patrol areas of the South China Sea.

According to Bloomberg, Vice Admiral Robert Thomas said on Tuesday at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition – held in Malaysia following the ASEAN Defense Ministers Meeting (which I covered for The Diplomat here) – that countries could streamline cooperation on maritime security while respecting sovereignty and coastal space, as was the case with counter-piracy efforts in the Gulf of Aden.

“Perhaps easier said than done, from both a policy and organization perspective, such an initiative could help crystallize the operational objectives in the training events that ASEAN navies want to pursue,” Thomas reportedly said at a panel session. “If ASEAN members were to take the lead in organizing something along those lines, trust me, the U.S. 7th Fleet would be ready to support,” he added.

Philippine Vice Admiral Jesus Millan subsequently said that the Philippine navy was amenable to Thomas’ suggestion. That is no surprise. The Philippines has been publicly protesting against Chinese “sovereignty patrols” around disputed features in the South China Sea over the past few years, and its ally the United States has already been increasingly helping Manila conduct patrols to help monitor activities in its waters.

Yet as Millan himself pointed out, this is a “resource intensive initiative” and it would take all countries concerned working together to get off the ground. These ASEAN states deal with the South China Sea issue quite differently, and the idea itself may seem too controversial for some for fear of angering Beijing. The Chinese foreign ministry has already predictably responded to Thomas’ proposal by saying that it hopes countries in the region will cooperate with China while countries outside the region will “maintain a neutral position, particularly on the issue of sovereignty.”

How exactly might these patrols work in practice? Millan mentioned that the concept was not far from the Malacca Strait Patrols (MSP) undertaken by Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand. The MSP, which began in 2004, is a set of cooperative measures which include air and sea patrols between these countries to tackle piracy. But putting this cooperative structure in place will not be easy. As Millan noted, such a program would need to be governed by some sort of collaborative mechanism or standard operating procedure. There are also lingering questions about how the various countries can work together when it comes to effectively sharing equipment and intelligence. Contending claims in the South China Sea may also make patrolling some areas a rather turbulent affair.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

In modern wars, superior navy is the first requirement. army and airforce come second and third.

Even though many of my fellow countrymen may disagree, I hold the view that WW-2 saw those countries defeated whose navies were no longer able to protect the sea-lanes and then the home land.

The army and air force are used for directly attacking an enemy nation's homeland. China is a land power like Germany, France and USSR. Besides, the reason that navy was strong is that it is the "global commons". Well, space is also a "global commons".

 

[initial_d]

China have been and will continue to build naval warships, submarines and aircraft carriers in the future. However, these are not and will not be any threat to Vietnam. These ships will be used for protecting China's sovereignty, and interests aboard; including stop pirates and merchant ship escorts from south china sea all the way to the somalia waters, evacuating civilians from war zones, and relationship building with other countries.

1)China Evacuating Civilians from Yemen:

2)China Evacuating Civilians from Yemen:

3)Chinese Navy escort international merchant ships:

4)Chinese Navy escort international merchant ships:

Thats bull crap, you know very well that china use their millitary force to intimidate her neighbor, trolling in scs and malaysian waters, bullying vietnam and the phillipine, china has become s threat to peace and stability in south east asia

 

[mike2000 is back]

Vietnam is not even a major naval power. Why compare to such a , relatively speaking, weak nation?

The Vietnamese have impressive capabilities in homeland / territorial defense , excellent guerilla capabilities.

But in regards to naval power? Come on. Their entire navy is not even the size of 1/4th of Japan's 1st Escort Fleet. LOL.

Why do you Chinese want to compare the great PLAN to such a relatively weak navy, the Viet Navy ?

Excellent, well said, couldn't have said it better to be honest. I also said the same thing on here before. Its really surprising to see Chinese members here even comparing themselves with a small poor nation like Vietnam. lool Its just hilarious to be honest. I guess it just shows China is still an insecure power. Imagine the the U.S or Russia always comparing their navy with Venezuela and Ukraine respectively.

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Dock all you like. The minute you make it into East Asia you will find every country has a higher standard of living and an opinion of themselves, might damper the ego you guys built up in South Asia.
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That was rude, but i must confess that made my day.

I can see Russia(Chinas so called strategic partner against the west/U.S. lol) is arming Vietnam quite well. Interesting......... Keep it up old Bear.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Excellent, well said, couldn't have said it better to be honest. I also said the same thing on here before. Its really surprising to see Chinese members here even comparing themselves with a small poor nation like Vietnam. lool Its just hilarious to be honest. I guess it just shows China is still an insecure power. Imagine the the U.S or Russia always comparing their navy with Venezuela and Ukraine respectively.


That was rude, but i must confess that made my day.

US compares its navy to superpowers like Iran and North Korea all the time. WTF are you talking about? All the white rednecks on Yahoo talk about how US Navy is gonna smash the Iranian and North Korean navy. So why aren't Chinese allowed to talk about how we're gonna smash the Vietnamese navy?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Excellent, well said, couldn't have said it better to be honest. I also said the same thing on here before. Its really surprising to see Chinese members here even comparing themselves with a small poor nation like Vietnam. lool Its just hilarious to be honest. I guess it just shows China is still an insecure power. Imagine the the U.S or Russia always comparing their navy with Venezuela and Ukraine respectively.


That was rude, but i must confess that made my day.

You better to first check the OP of this thread is Vietnamese or Chinese.

Most Chinese members don't even get a rat a$$ about Vietnam, and it was the Viet trolls who always tail after China by derailing our threads.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Excellent, well said, couldn't have said it better to be honest. I also said the same thing on here before. Its really surprising to see Chinese members here even comparing themselves with a small poor nation like Vietnam. lool Its just hilarious to be honest. I guess it just shows China is still an insecure power. Imagine the the U.S or Russia always comparing their navy with Venezuela and Ukraine respectively.


That was rude, but i must confess that made my day.



I can see Russia(Chinas so called strategic partner against the west/U.S. lol) is arming Vietnam quite well. Interesting......... Keep it up old Bear.

He is not one of us........

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Excellent, well said, couldn't have said it better to be honest. I also said the same thing on here before. Its really surprising to see Chinese members here even comparing themselves with a small poor nation like Vietnam. lool Its just hilarious to be honest. I guess it just shows China is still an insecure power. Imagine the the U.S or Russia always comparing their navy with Venezuela and Ukraine respectively.

Look like some corner rat of declining empire always like to mock others.