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[Aepsilons]

Cantonese have over 60% of Y-DNA from North China, while 80% of their mtDNA is native.

Shanghainese for example, we have less Y-DNA from North China, while our mtDNA is more North Chinese than Cantonese.



lol, the first Nanyue King was a Huaxia man by himself, of course he had much more ties with the Han Dynasty than with Vietnam.

Have you read the classic 'Outlaws of the marsh' ?

There's an excerpt there when one of the villagers was lamenting about the actions of the bandits. The villager is a prototype of the righteous ruler because he says that differences are put aside when matters involve the state. Even in such a time, there was already a concept of modern day nationalism.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Have you read the classic 'Outlaws of the marsh' ?

There's an excerpt there when one of the villagers was lamenting about the actions of the bandits. The villager is a prototype of the righteous ruler because he says that differences are put aside when matters involve the state. Even in such a time, there was already a concept of modern day nationalism.

The concept of the Han nationalism was developed long before the era of the Water Margin.

 

[Aepsilons]

The concept of the Han nationalism was developed long before the era of the Water Margin.

It is very unique! Is it a trait you think of East Asian Race to be very pro homogenous? Seems to be a trait, me thinks.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It is very unique! Is it a trait you think of East Asian Race to be very pro homogenous? Seems to be a trait, me thinks.

In the ancient time, the Han Chinese only care about the homogeneity of the paternal side, but didn't really care about the maternal side.

That's why most modern Han Chinese have common paternal Y-DNA, but very diversified mtDNA.

 

[welcomeJason]

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yes, so was chinese world view. vietnam had no choice, but accepted chinese hegemony, aka became a vassal and paid tribute. one can argue that (vassal paying tribute) was a peace treaty. because if we refused in doing so, chinese imperial court would see the act as a declaration of war.

back then in time, for instance, the Han invaded NanYue and annexed the country when the nanyue emperor stopped to pay tribute to the Han court.

NanYue is a district of Qin Dynasty and North Vietnam is a sub-district of NanYue.
And central suzerain would not support protection rather than claiming a war for not being paid tribute

 

[EastSea]

Cantonese have over 60% of Y-DNA from North China, while 80% of their mtDNA is native.

Shanghainese for example, we have less Y-DNA from North China, while our mtDNA is more North Chinese than Cantonese.



lol, the first Nanyue King was a Huaxia man by himself, of course he had much more ties with the Han Dynasty than with Vietnam.

Thank for correct me, so 40% Y DNA from paternal bloodline is native, it means 40 million Cantonese is descendants of native Nan Yue people.

Zhao Tuo is Han Chinese, he created Nan Yue Guo, it is nothing wrong here, like Geoge Washington is English man, he created United States, US is becoming independence state from UK.

You , a Vietnamese knows more about the history of Han chinese than a Chinese ? Do youself believe in what youself said? Very funny , my Cantonese indigenous friends so many ,also i am very interested in formation of Han Chinese dialect and there is a little researchs . You have to listen to my education by those above. Cantonese divided into three types that they are Hakkanese ,Teochenese and Canfuese respectively. Hakknese and Teochenese of there people came canton from Northern Chinese (中原/zhongyuan）Henan province while Canfuese came here from Shaanxi province of northwestern China . No doubt , they are all Han chinese ,similarly,there are Shanghainese ,Fujianese ,Jiangxinese Hubeinese Sichuanese ,and so on .Then divide every province in to several blocks by daily speaking ,so they are not Han Chinese according to you ?

I can tell you ,your words have been translated into chinese by a Chiness and so many Chinese are cursing you , I spoke with my naive Cantonese friends and they said the Vietnamese you are very funny and lovable .And plus ,they said they have nothing to do with you and please you stop involving relation with them. Well ,my education is just these .

You can tell to your cantonese friend that this guy EastSea say only the truth. I'm south Vietnamese, base on my Family tree, my ancestor settled from North Vietnam to South Vietnam from over 1,000 years. My family name is 刘. In Vietnam, some of my friends has misunderstood that I'm a Hua ethnic in origin.

 

[dichoi]

Vietnamese woman with traditional hut.

 

[Grand Historian]

In the ancient time, the Han Chinese only care about the homogeneity of the paternal side, but didn't really care about the maternal side.

That's why most modern Han Chinese have common paternal Y-DNA, but very diversified mtDNA.

In ancient China there was no concept of DNA,therefore using genetic evidence to prove or disprove ethnic identity is an exercise in futility.

We have a jealous Vietnamese member who resorts to the same debunked lies in order to prove that Chinese are secretly Baiyue therefore southern Chinese migrants to Vietnam are all native.

Liu Bang would be rolling in his grave if 劉 originated from the Vietnamese

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In ancient China there was no concept of DNA,therefore using genetic evidence to prove or disprove ethnic identity is an exercise in futility.

We have a jealous Vietnamese member who resorts to the same debunked lies in order to prove that Chinese are secretly Baiyue therefore southern Chinese migrants to Vietnam are all native.

Liu Bang would be rolling in his grave if 劉 originated from the Vietnamese

They are always obsessed with our land.

 

[Yizhi]

In ancient China there was no concept of DNA,therefore using genetic evidence to prove or disprove ethnic identity is an exercise in futility.

agree. Han was more about cultural identity, which is quite unique.

 

[magic-007]

Thank for correct me, so 40% Y DNA from paternal bloodline is native, it means 40 million Cantonese is descendants of native Nan Yue people.

Zhao Tuo is Han Chinese, he created Nan Yue Guo, it is nothing wrong here, like Geoge Washington is English man, he created United States, US is becoming independence state from UK.



You can tell to your cantonese friend that this guy EastSea say only the truth. I'm south Vietnamese, base on my Family tree, my ancestor settled from North Vietnam to South Vietnam from over 1,000 years. My family name is 刘. In Vietnam, some of my friends has misunderstood that I'm a Hua ethnic in origin.

The truth? Did you youself are assumed to the fact is true fact ? very funny . For example ,i married with a beauty from Vietnam and gave birth to a boy ,then the boy is of Han ethnic groups or 華人(HUA). He has a little of Vietnamese bloods in his blood ,but this would not hinder my boy is of Han Chinese identity. In the same way， my son had a boy later and his son married with a Vietnamese girl as well when his son grown ups ，and so on. Han Chinese bloods would obviously fall if things went on like this, the son of my son was less Han bloods than my son . but that of my son is still Han Chinese.

Philippines president Akilo is of the Han ethnic groups whose father is Han Chinese and his mother is Philippines. Don't you think he is Han Chinese ? How amusing your thinking logic is。The surname LIU is indeed Han Chinese one, but if your father is not Han Chinese then you are not Han Chinese or HUA. And aslo,Korean has the surnames same like Han Chinese as well and it is not amazing.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

I can tell you ,your words have been translated into chinese by a Chiness and so many Chinese are cursing you , I spoke with my naive Cantonese friends and they said the Vietnamese you are very funny and lovable .

His comments on Chinese forum now? Who did the translation? Do you have link? He got famous! LOL

My family name is 刘.

You have Chinese blood, you are a traitor.

 

[Grand Historian]

In the ancient time, the Han Chinese only care about the homogeneity of the paternal side, but didn't really care about the maternal side.

That's why most modern Han Chinese have common paternal Y-DNA, but very diversified mtDNA.

What's funny is that Cantonese MDNA doesn't even cluster with Tai Kadai,Hmong Mien,Austro Asiatic or Austronesian(except for Zhanjiang Han) speakers.(So much for Nanyue natives being "Vietnamese")

While unsurprisingly Kinh MDNA also varies by region.


Number denotes the amount of samples

Guangdong Han:
HK-Hong Kong Han-377
Hakka-Meizhou Hakka-170
Chaoshan-Chaoshan Han-102
Han_DG-Dongguan Han-106
Han_GZ-Guangzhou Han-69
Han_ZJ-Zhanjiang Han-30

Guangxi Han:
PH-HZ-Hezhou Han-39
PH_FC-Fuchuan Han-48
PH_WX-Wuxuan Han-46
PH_LC-Luocheng Han-51
Han_TL-Tianling Han-26

Vietnamese Kinh:
N_Viet-Hanoi Vietnamese-187
Kinh-Hanoi Kinh-139
Kinh-HU-Hue Kinh-41

 

[Viet]

The concept of the Han nationalism was developed long before the era of the Water Margin.

what is Han nationalism? No, actually the Han concept refers more to culture than nation. Vietnam during the Nguyen dynasty referred itself as Han, and Vietnamese as Han people.

NanYue is a district of Qin Dynasty and North Vietnam is a sub-district of NanYue.
And central suzerain would not support protection rather than claiming a war for not being paid tribute

No, you are wrong. Nanyue was NOT part of the Qin. Nor was North Vietnam a sub-district. Pls consult our historian expert @Grand Historian.

Nanyue had an own emperor (note, he called himself emperor, not king). he paid tributes, accepted being a vassal (a superficial act), but refused to accept to take commands from the Qin emperor. Later the Viet noblepeople apparently intrigued him to stop paying tributes. the Han government saw it as provocation and invaded Nanyue.

 

[welcomeJason]

what is Han nationalism? No, actually the Han concept refers more to culture than nation. Vietnam during the Nguyen dynasty referred itself as Han, and Vietnamese as Han people.


No, you are wrong. Nanyue was NOT part of the Qin. Nor was North Vietnam a sub-district. Pls consult our historian expert @Grand Historian.

Nanyue had an own emperor (note, he called himself emperor, not king). he paid tributes, accepted being a vassal (a superficial act), but refused to accept to take commands from the Qin emperor. Later the Viet noblepeople apparently intrigued him to stop paying tributes. the Han government saw it as provocation and invaded Nanyue.

The ruler of NanYue---ZhaoTuo is a officer of Qin and he came from the HeiBei province now.