Vietnamese old pictures

[mrfly911]

Thai Monarch Rama4 dress Qing clothing.

Rama 5 on Qing Clothing

Rama 2's 神主牌

Thai Kings' Chinese names
King Taksin 郑昭
Rama1 郑华
Rama 2 郑佛
Rama 3 郑福
Rama4 郑明
------- End 进贡 era ------ ( I guess since China is weak and can no longer protect Siam)
Until Rama4, these names are actually used in documentation on 进贡
Rama5 郑隆
Rama6 郑宝
Rama7 郑光
Rama8 郑禧
Current Rama9 郑固

Current Crown Prince of Thailand on official duty (ancestor memorial) date 2013 Chinese New Year

A Thailand's Palace name พระที่นั่งเวหาศจำรูญ chinese name : 天明殿 Palace. This palace hosts 神主牌s (I don't know how many)

More Thai King and royal family's 神主牌

You opened my eyes! Thank you so much!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hua/Xia was not one ethnic group, there were many tribes were living in Northerner land of China.

The Huaxia group was fully integrated before they conquered South China.

So yes, most South Chinese have the strong pride for Huaxia.

Mind you that the genetic difference for the South Chinese and North Chinese is perhaps even smaller than that between the South Germans and North Germans.

The South Germans were the mixture between the Germanic people and the Celtic people, but would the South Germans suddenly switch to the Celtic pride and abandon their German identity?

 

[magic-007]

chinese is divided in to 56 ethnic group, Han, Tibetan, manchurian, Zhuang, ... etc ... Han chinese is one ethnic group in China.

Han Chinese in China don't shared same bloodline and language. Native Cantonese, Hakka, Hookien don't speak a same language and you you don't understand mutual by daily speaking.

The so naive and ignorant guy that pretend to know what dont know. There are kinds of dialects in China and my mother tongue is also non-mandarin. No one elsewhere can understand me in my local dialect except my fellow villagers in China! I can tell you , Tibetan in Tibet dose not communication with Tibetan in Qinhai province each other. You do not think they are same ethnic groups? And so has Japan

Your Viet so small country that it cannot appear of Viet . Understand me?

 

[EastSea]

The Huaxia group was fully integrated before they conquered South China.

So yes, most South Chinese have the strong pride for Huaxia.

Mind you that the genetic difference for the South Chinese and North Chinese is perhaps even smaller than that between the South Germans and North Germans.

The South Germans were the mixture between the Germanic people and the Celtic people, but would the South Germans suddenly switch to the Celtic pride and abandon their German identity?

the story about Hua/Xia is propaganda of Chinese, this story is for uinitify Han chinese in the past, it is not true. Southerner han chinese is came from Bai Yue tribes.

Your analogy about German people is not correct. Germanistic tribers were like Hua/Xia tribes groups in ancient time in north Europa. Today, this tribes is enveloped in to many different ethnic group: German (Deutsch), English, Deut (Hollandian), Norvegian, etc...

 

[BoQ77]

aren't those...traditional chinese women underwear...or bra....
you wear those in public???!!!!
tell me i'm not the only one thought so...

better than bikini showing

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

the story about Hua/Xia is propaganda of Chinese, this story is for uinitify Han chinese in the past, it is not true. Southerner han chinese is came from Bai Yue tribes.

Your analogy about German people is not correct. Germanistic tribers were like Hua/Xia tribes groups in ancient time in north Europa. Today, this tribes is enveloped in to many different ethnic group: German (Deutsch), English, Deut (Hollandian), Norvegian, etc...

My analogy was totally appropriate.

The Germanic people were also formed by many different groups, but before they conquered and germanicized the South Germany, they were already fully integrated as one.

The Huaxia (proto-Sinic) people also have many non-Chinese descendants nowadays, just look at the people from Northeast India, they are not Chinese, but they are the modern descendants of Huaxia as well.

Overall, most South Chinese came from the Huaxia father and the Baiyue mother.

 

[magic-007]

My analogy was totally appropriate.

The Germanic people were also formed by many different groups, but before they conquered and germanicized the South Germany, they were already fully integrated as one.

The Huaxia (proto-Sinic) people also have many non-Chinese descendants nowadays, just look at the people from Northeast India, they are not Chinese, but they are the modern descendants of Huaxia as well.

Overall, most South Chinese came from the Huaxia father and the Baiyue mother.

No , the Material line of Han Chinese in broad south China are not Baiyue ,more than two thousands years ago, with Han Chinese migrate to broad south China constantly in the Northern and Southern Dynasties ，That of Han Chinese were not Baiyue long before.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No , the Material line of Han Chinese in broad south China are not of Baiyue ,more than two thousands years ago, with Han Chinese migrate to broad south China constantly in the Northern and Southern Dynasties ，That of Han Chinese were not Baiyue long before.

Actually, many Central/South Chinese have mixed much more with the Miao groups than with Baiyue.

The Miao groups have much more credit for the formation of the South Chinese groups than Baiyue.

Many South Chinese have broad and square face, so that's a typical Miao trait.

 

[welcomeJason]

the story about Hua/Xia is propaganda of Chinese, this story is for uinitify Han chinese in the past, it is not true. Southerner han chinese is came from Bai Yue tribes.

Your analogy about German people is not correct. Germanistic tribers were like Hua/Xia tribes groups in ancient time in north Europa. Today, this tribes is enveloped in to many different ethnic group: German (Deutsch), English, Deut (Hollandian), Norvegian, etc...

I could say that Northern Han's footprints would be out of your imagination. Image that some ancient groups of Hans living in Southern Asia and Iran.

Even many acient arabican-looking humans living in the Sakhalin island and Hokkaido.

 

[magic-007]

Actually, many Central/South Chinese have mixed much more with the Miao groups than with Baiyue.

The Miao groups have much more credit for the formation of the South Chinese groups than Baiyue.

Many South Chinese have broad and square face, so that's a typical Miao trait.

who knows ?Vietnamese always badger us with stupid qusetions until i almost want to puke ,and those were occured more than two thousands years ago.

 

[EastSea]

My analogy was totally appropriate.

The Germanic people were also formed by many different groups, but before they conquered and germanicized the South Germany, they were already fully integrated as one.

The Huaxia (proto-Sinic) people also have many non-Chinese descendants nowadays, just look at the people from Northeast India, they are not Chinese, but they are the modern descendants of Huaxia as well.

Overall, most South Chinese came from the Huaxia father and the Baiyue mother.

nop.

There is the term Germanic has been used to refer to ethnic groups who speak a Germanic language and claim ancestral and cultural connections to ancient Germanic peoples. Within this context, modern Germanic peoples include Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Icelanders, Germans, Austrians, English, Dutch, Scots language speakers and others. There is many different ethnic groups.

In China it is reported that 60 % Cantonese shared native paternal bloodline, no Han from North China, they are descendants from native Nan Yue people. Problem is that why southerner Chinese don,t claim themselves as different ethnic groups ? Do they think that Han Chinese is superior than others ?

 

[Viet]

Frankly ,i never find how beautiful Vietnamese females are . Vietnamese women are not as good as Chinese's, it is not bragging but a fact . And i think Thailand females are the most beautiful in whole Southeastern Asia ,in my opinion!no offence !

tastes differ from man to man. no problem at all, nor offence, if you rather find thai girls more beautiful. why should I bother? you shall know, many senior german guys seek young wifes in thailand nowadays, so you may face some competitions.

So was the Ming Dynasty, since every Chinese Dynasty in the past did treat Vietnam as its own vassal state.

yes, so was chinese world view. vietnam had no choice, but accepted chinese hegemony, aka became a vassal and paid tribute. one can argue that (vassal paying tribute) was a peace treaty. because if we refused in doing so, chinese imperial court would see the act as a declaration of war.

back then in time, for instance, the Han invaded NanYue and annexed the country when the nanyue emperor stopped to pay tribute to the Han court.

 

[magic-007]

nop.

There is the term Germanic has been used to refer to ethnic groups who speak a Germanic language and claim ancestral and cultural connections to ancient Germanic peoples. Within this context, modern Germanic peoples include Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Icelanders, Germans, Austrians, English, Dutch, Scots language speakers and others. There is many different ethnic groups.

In China it is reported that 60 % Cantonese shared native paternal bloodline, no Han from North China, they are descendants from native Nan Yue people. Problem is that why southerner Chinese don,t claim themselves as different ethnic groups ? Do they think that Han Chinese is superior than others ?

You , a Vietnamese knows more about the history of Han chinese than a Chinese ? Do youself believe in what youself said? Very funny , my Cantonese indigenous friends so many ,also i am very interested in formation of Han Chinese dialect and there is a little researchs . You have to listen to my education by those above. Cantonese divided into three types that they are Hakkanese ,Teochenese and Canfuese respectively. Hakknese and Teochenese of there people came canton from Northern Chinese (中原/zhongyuan）Henan province while Canfuese came here from Shaanxi province of northwestern China . No doubt , they are all Han chinese ,similarly,there are Shanghainese ,Fujianese ,Jiangxinese Hubeinese Sichuanese ,and so on .Then divide every province in to several blocks by daily speaking ,so they are not Han Chinese according to you ?

I can tell you ,your words have been translated into chinese by a Chiness and so many Chinese are cursing you , I spoke with my naive Cantonese friends and they said the Vietnamese you are very funny and lovable .And plus ,they said they have nothing to do with you and please you stop involving relation with them. Well ,my education is just these .

 

[magic-007]

tastes differ from man to man. no problem at all, nor offence, if you rather find thai girls more beautiful. why should I bother? you shall know, many senior german guys seek young wifes in thailand nowadays, so you may face some competitions.


yes, so was chinese world view. vietnam had no choice, but accepted chinese hegemony, aka became a vassal and paid tribute. one can argue that (vassal paying tribute) was a peace treaty. because if we refused in doing so, chinese imperial court would see the act as a declaration of war.

back then in time, for instance, the Han invaded NanYue and annexed the country when the nanyue emperor stopped to pay tribute to the Han court.

hehe ,buddy ,i am just said they are beautiful , why can you understand i want the girls to marry me? those words
are only my opinion.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

nop.

There is the term Germanic has been used to refer to ethnic groups who speak a Germanic language and claim ancestral and cultural connections to ancient Germanic peoples. Within this context, modern Germanic peoples include Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Icelanders, Germans, Austrians, English, Dutch, Scots language speakers and others. There is many different ethnic groups.

In China it is reported that 60 % Cantonese shared native paternal bloodline, no Han from North China, they are descendants from native Nan Yue people. Problem is that why southerner Chinese don,t claim themselves as different ethnic groups ? Do they think that Han Chinese is superior than others ?

Cantonese have over 60% of Y-DNA from North China, while 80% of their mtDNA is native.

Shanghainese for example, we have less Y-DNA from North China, while our mtDNA is more North Chinese than Cantonese.

back then in time, for instance, the Han invaded NanYue and annexed the country when the nanyue emperor stopped to pay tribute to the Han court.

lol, the first Nanyue King was a Huaxia man by himself, of course he had much more ties with the Han Dynasty than with Vietnam.