Vietnam War

[NiceGuy]

Battle of Xuân Lộc

In the last ditch effort to save South Vietnam, President Nguyen Van Thieu ordered his last military units, namely the ARVN 18th Infantry Division "The Super Men", to hold Xuan Loc at all cost.[8] The North Vietnamese 4th Army Corps, on the other hand, was ordered to capture Xuan Loc in order to open the gateway to Saigon.[9] Over a period of twelve days both sides displayed feats of courage, leadership, and determination. During the early stages of the battle, the ARVN 18th Infantry Division managed to beat off numerous attempts by their enemies to capture the town and rout the defenders, forcing PAVN commanders to change their battle plan.[10]

Battle of Xuân L

2 CBU-55 were used in this battle

CBU-55 was used during the Vietnam War. By April 21, 1975, South Vietnam had largely been conquered by the invading military from the north. Earlier in the month, a single BLU-82 "daisy cutter" had been flown from Thailand to the Bien Hoa airbase. The senior military officer in Vietnam, Major General Homer Smith, cleared the way for the Saigon government to use the weapon against the North Vietnamese Army. A Vietnamese C-130 transport plane circled Xuan Loc at 20,000 feet (6,100 m), then dropped the bomb. The contents exploded in a fireball over a 4-acre (16,000 m2) area.

Experts estimated that 25 soldiers had been killed, primarily by the immediate depletion of oxygen rather than from burns. The CBU-55 was never used again in the war, and South Vietnam's government surrendered on April 30.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-55

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Nice pictures I will update my pics soon.

 

[NiceGuy]

Funny movie footage:" Forset gump" about his time in VN

And Heaven and Earth with excellent soundtrack of Kitaro

Heaven and Earth is a great movie of oliver stone ( so sad but so beautiful ) , very great music of kitaro and HIEP THI LE ( Lê Ly ) is a beautiful and wonderful actress

 

[redfox]

US lost up to 58,300 Troops however killed 1-3 million Vietcong.

How glorifying it must be for US troops to have used every means of weaponry in its possessions, including “Agent Orange” on CIVILIANS, and still with the outcome being of a failure. I am sure you are very proud with satisfaction to the fact to have killed 1-3 million Viet Cong consisting of children as young as 12 being enlisted to liberate Vietnam.

 

[Chogy]

Agent Orange was a defoliant, and was "used" to defoliate the thick canopy that hid the enemy. It was not an engineered toxin to be used on humans. If you want to intentionally kill people, you use VX, GB, Sarin, or other organophsphate nerve agents. Unfortunately, Agent Orange had some terrible effects.

consisting of children as young as 12 being enlisted to liberate Vietnam.

And children to this day are used as pawns in war. Are you claiming there was something somehow "heroic" over having child soldiers?

Let's not re-fight the Vietnam war, please.

 

[NiceGuy]

Russia footage about SAm against USUS air forces

Very nice, unbiased documentary. It does gloryfy soviet weapons systems a bit, but no more than american documentaries do their own In any case, nice to see things from the other side's view.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

When troops come home from Iraq and Afghanistan, a huge number of older men are always at the airport to greet them... veterans of Vietnam. They want to give them a "Welcome home" that they themselves did not get.

Vietnam was unlike any war the USA has ever faced since not even Iraq or Afghanistan, Yugoslavia is comparable to it. when Liberalism the hippie movement the draft cards the culture of that time also play a apart. Vietnam Vets were called baby killers or murderers the Military was not cool until the 90's liberating Kuwait. Vietnam Syndrome....... I believe some Lessons of the war were still not learned to this day.

 

[NiceGuy]

When troops come home from Iraq and Afghanistan, a huge number of older men are always at the airport to greet them... veterans of Vietnam. They want to give them a "Welcome home" that they themselves did not get.

Vietnam was unlike any war the USA has ever faced since not even Iraq or Afghanistan, Yugoslavia is comparable to it. when Liberalism the hippie movement the draft cards the culture of that time also play a apart. Vietnam Vets were called baby killers or murderers the Military was not cool until the 90's liberating Kuwait. Vietnam Syndrome....... I believe some Lessons of the war were still not learned to this day.

Dr. Martin Luther King protest against VNwar with English-Vietnemese banner

In 1967 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. gave a speech called "Beyond Vietnam", in which he stated:

They must see Americans as strange liberators. The Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence -- in 1945 -- after a combined French and Japanese occupation and before the communist revolution in China. They were led by Ho Chi Minh. Even though they quoted the American Declaration of Independence in their own document of freedom, we refused to recognize them. Instead, we decided to support France in its reconquest of her former colony. Our government felt then that the Vietnamese people were not ready for independence, and we again fell victim to the deadly Western arrogance that has poisoned the international atmosphere for so long. With that tragic decision we rejected a revolutionary government seeking self-determination and a government that had been established not by China -- for whom the Vietnamese have no great love -- but by clearly indigenous forces that included some communists. For the peasants this new government meant real land reform, one of the most important needs in their lives.

For video and audio footage of Dr. King's speech see:

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1929-1968

The American involvement in Vietnam
That's the reason no one gave them a "Welcome home"

 

[pmukherjee]

Russia footage about SAm against USUS air forces

There is no glorification here. The SAM-2s were deadly missiles and wreaked havoc. They accounted for a very large percentage of US aircraft losses in the Vietnam war. Gary Power's U-2 was downed by SAM-2s. With the Fan Song fire control and tracking radar, the SAM-2s were very effective for their generation.

 

[NiceGuy]

There is no glorification here. The SAM-2s were deadly missiles and wreaked havoc. They accounted for a very large percentage of US aircraft losses in the Vietnam war. Gary Power's U-2 was downed by SAM-2s. With the Fan Song fire control and tracking radar, the SAM-2s were very effective for their generation.

in fact all Fan Song rardar were jammed during Operation Linebacker II in 1972 (same kind of jammer US used in Iraq and Yugoslavia wars), but we still shot down 34 B52 with special technique.

PAVN claim:
81 aircraft shot down
(including 34 B-52s and 4 F-111s)[3]

Operation Linebacker II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wild Weasel II and III
The Wild Weasel role was then passed in the summer of 1966 to the EF-105F Thunderchief. The F-105 Wild Weasel II was a better platform for this role and was equipped with more advanced radar, jamming equipment, and a heavier armament. Anti-radiation missiles were outfitted that could seek out radar emplacements. The F-105F Wild Weasel II was eventually replaced by the F-105G Wild Weasel III variant; 61 F-105F units were upgraded to F-105G specifications.

During the war, the single-seat F-105D was the primary aircraft delivering the heavy bomb loads against the various military targets. Meanwhile, the two-seat F-105F and F-105G Wild Weasel variants became the first dedicated Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) platforms, fighting against the Soviet-built S-75 Dvina (NATO reporting name: SA-2 Guideline) surface-to-air missiles. Two Wild Weasel pilots were awarded the Medal of Honor for attacking North Vietnamese surface-to-air missile sites, with one shooting down two MiG-17s the same day. The dangerous missions often required them to be the "first in, last out", suppressing enemy air defenses while strike aircraft accomplished their missions and then left the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-105_Thunderchief

 

[Chogy]

To this day, the F-105 set records as being the heaviest single-engined aircraft to ever get off the ground. Look at that huge bomb load!

The F105 original design was as a tactical nuclear bomber.

 

[vtnsx]

To support the South’s government, the United States sent in 2,000 military advisers, a number that grew to 16,300 in 1963. The military condition deteriorated, and by 1963 South Vietnam had lost the fertile Mekong Delta to the Vietcong. In 1965, Johnson escalated the war, commencing air strikes on North Vietnam and committing ground forces, which numbered 536,000 in 1968

CONSEQUENCES OF THE VIETNAM WAR:

1. The Vietnam War cost the United States 58,000 lives and 350,000 casualties. It also resulted in between one and two million Vietnamese deaths (this includes North Vietnamese, South Vietnamese and Civilians).

2. Congress enacted the War Powers Act in 1973, requiring the president to receive explicit Congressional approval before committing American forces overseas.

It was the longest war in American history and the most unpopular American war of the twentieth century. It resulted in nearly 60,000 American deaths and an estimated 2 million Vietnamese deaths. Even today, many Americans still ask whether the American effort in Vietnam was a sin, a blunder, a necessary war, or a noble cause, or an idealistic, if failed, effort to protect the South Vietnamese from totalitarian government.

What I think:

This war wasn't about the American, it was about the unification of South Vietnam and North Vietnam. The South Vietnamese helped the North Vietnamese in many aspects during this war. Otherwise, it would be very difficult for the North Vietnamese to win this war. However, I give props to the winner for its determination to unite the country together at any cost.

Source: The Vietnam War
Source: United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please don't brag about war, it's not right.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Dr. Martin Luther King protest against VNwar with English-Vietnemese banner

The American involvement in Vietnam
That's the reason no one gave them a "Welcome home"

Sorry for going off-topic but i never quite understood why Blacks keep proudly calling themsleves niggers when they don't like to be called that and take offense to it when a non-black person says it ?

If you dont want to be called that then dont refer yourself with term that too so proudly .

 

[NiceGuy]

Continue from here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...aced-rising-china-shifts-its-strategy-10.html

You better read this buddy. You say North Korean is poor and cannot harm the South Korean? It sure does NOT look like it in the summer of 1950

So ,pls tell me how NK can harm SK now when NK army is far inferior than SK ??

Plus, we have kill more Vietnamese then Veitnamese kill enough of US. You lost way way WAY more people then we. Don't ever forget that.

People die, people're born , our population still so high now. Losing million men harm Nothing to our population when US losing face and None of your allies now believe you can protect them any more. US lost her credit, her honor in VN war when we only lost men that harm Nothing to us.

as i said, i am waiting to see what Cuban+Vietnamese can do, but again, hurry, i think i only have 50 years to live, maybe less. I cannot testiment if nothing happened in my lifetime.

As I said: we're patient men, dude, and also said we will pay back to your kids, old men like you will die bcz of Taliban attack soon, who care :p

Lol, then where is your nuclear bomb, nuclear power station nor nuclear reactor? You don't even have missile that can fly more than 1000 mile. How ar eyou gonna drop your payload to us? LOL

We have a small nuclear plant in Da Lat now and we will have some bigger ones with the help of Russia soon, as you know, with new tech , people can make nuclear secretly . We won't fight in battle field with you , we will ruin you day by day, then, you will collapse like Soviet, dude.

Laser Advances in Nuclear Fuel Stir Terror Fear
..............
That might be good news for the nuclear industry. But critics fear that if the work succeeds and the secret gets out, rogue states and terrorists could make bomb fuel in much smaller plants that are difficult to detect.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/science/earth/21laser.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

LOL again, your perfect spies go to jail in YOUR OWN COUNTRY after he return, either he is not too perfect, or your country is seriously f'ed up. Take your pick.

First, do you admit that our perfect spy Pham Xuan An defaced mighty US army and fooled all CIA agents in VN war ??

 

[jhungary]

Continue from here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...aced-rising-china-shifts-its-strategy-10.html


So ,pls tell me how NK can harm SK now when NK army is far inferior than SK ??

People die, people're born , our population still so high now. Losing million men harm Nothing to our population when US losing face and None of your allies now believe you can protect them any more. US lost her credit, her honor in VN war when we only lost men that harm Nothing to us.

As I said: we're patient men, dude, and also said we will pay back to your kids, old men like you will die bcz of Taliban attack soon, who care :p

We have a small nuclear plant in Da Lat now and we will have some bigger ones with the help of Russia soon, as you know, with new tech , people can make nuclear secretly . We won't fight in battle field with you , we will ruin you day by day, then, you will collapse like Soviet, dude.


First, do you admit that our perfect spy Pham Xuan An defaced mighty US army and fooled all CIA agents in VN war ??

First of all, you should not just post the answer directly from another thread unless all post was moved otherwise people will not know what we are agruing about.

Secondly, this is a picture thread, which is not a good place to discuss the war.

you should restart the discussion rather than going mid-way in, so you should delete every thing you said in the last post and we start again. Otherwise it will still be like troll as people don't know what were we yapping about