Vietnam Rises as Middle Power at Defense Summit: Southeast Asia

[NiceGuy]

The people of Fujian are Han. Many northern Han fled to Fujian during the division of China during the Jin dynasty (265–420).

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The pure descendants of the Baiyue in Fujian live in boats and are a minority of a few thousand.

Fuzhou Tanka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DNA tests show that the Y chromosome of Han in Fujian is almost 100% from northern Han, Y chromosome is inherited from the father.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google knygos



There is a saying in Taiwan, "mainland grandfather no mainland grandmother" 有唐山公無唐山媽 because Han men from mainland (Fujian) would marry Aboriginal Taiwanese women.

Most of northern and southern Han's Y chromosome is similar.

The founder of the Min Kingdom even came from Henan in northern China. He was Wang Shenzhi.

Wang Shenzhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its different when in In 11 century,dude. Our Tran emperor is Mân("Mǐn" in Chinese), not Han, your history recorded that too

 

[Sun Piwa]

Racism & hatred are very confortable in asian countries

It will be a long way before they become as spiritually developped as the westerners countries

I suggest the racist & the war seekers to go get some help for the world, or ask to be in the first line when the war comes.

 

[ephone]

Just check the definition given by other member. I simply go with the definition. I have no interest whether it is or it is NOT.

it is a perception of others. Vietnam never calls itself middle power or whatever. So recently India´s Vice President Mohammad Hamid Ansari called Vietnam as Region Power.

'Vietnam has emerged as a regional power in South-East Asia': Hamid Ansari - World - DNA

 

[zhangjt]

Ethnically the Vietnamese are very close to East Asians, who have consistently exhibited superior intelligence to Indians in all tests performed. This report should not be a surprise. The Vietnamese can pose a much more serious threat to China in future than the Indians who will be nothing more than a nuisance from time to time.

I agree with you.

 

[Edison Chen]

vietnamese brothers should avoid these false flagger chini trolls
most of them aren't even chini

Funny....banned.

 

[Wholegrain]

are you a Cham or so. If you have a heart for them, pls feel free and take them to China or Taiwan. I wonder why you repeatly tell us a story of 650 years ago? Also, can you tell us the genocide in Cambodia supported by red China from 1975 to 1979?

Killing Fields - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We already have thousands of Utsul Muslims who live in Hainan in China, they are descended from Cham. After they fled Dai Viet's genocide, China gave them refuge.

Utsul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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You should thank Pol Pot the dumb@ss, because he killed mostly Thai, Cham, and Chinese people, and by the way, Pol Pot also murdered FULRO's leaders while the FULRO Cham, Khmer and Montagnard guerillas were busy in Vietnam fighting the Vietnamese army. (The Muslim Cham officer commanding the FULRO-Champa Liberation Front against Vietnam was actually from Cambodia and not Vietnam, he was Lieutenant-Colonel Les Kosem of the Cambodian Royal Army)

When the FULRO fighters in Vietnam found out in 1992 that Pol Pot murdered their entire leadership, they left to Cambodia to surrender to the UN.

China and Thailand were not aware of the idiotic internal policy of Pol Pot, and America told China and Thailand that since Pol Pot was anti-Soviet that it should give full support, the American National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted to this, he said to the Chinese and Thailand that anything anti-Soviet must be backed, because he hated the Soviets so much since they were occupying his home country of Poland. And I'm only talking about Pol Pot's stupidity in killing Thai, Cham and Chinese, not what he did to Vietnamese or his reconquest of Khmer Krom land.

American National Security Advisor- Zbigniew Brzezinski - "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot. I encouraged the Thai to help the DK" (Khmer Rogue)

Patriots and Tyrants

China should have hosted FULRO itself instead of leaving their leaders in Cambodia with the dumb@ss. Pol Pot did more to hurt the FULRO and Cham independence movement against Vietnam than Vietnam did. The Cham and Montagnard leadership of FULRO which was fighting Vietnam got liquidated in Cambodia by Pol Pot. China and Thailand did not know that he was busy working on killing all the Chinese, Thai, and Cham in Cambodia.

China supplied FULRO with weapons through Cambodia, but the dumb@ss Pol Pot killed them.

The Ethnography of Vietnam's Central Highlanders

Battle for the Central Highlands

Chinese Military Strategy in the Third Indochina War

The Vietnam People's Army Under ổi Mới - Carlyle A. Thayer - Google knygos

United Front for the Liberation of Oppressed Races - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cham still hate Vietnam. Their official organizations representing their people like the International Office of Champa (IOC) are all against the Vietnamese government- Cham Today website and most Cham Americans will express animonisity towards Vietnamese, but they are friendly towards Khmer Krom and Khmer Cambodians from Cambodia itself. They side with Montagnards and Khmer Krom against Vietnamese, and they celebrate their collaboration with each other in FULRO in fighting against the Vietnamese government and their history of resistance against Vietnam along with the Cambodians.

H-(Hội đồng người bản địa tại Việt Nam (CIP-TVN) đi tham dự Đại Hội Quốc Tế về quyền của các dân tộc bản địa lần thứ 6.)

From the F.L.M to Fulro (1955-1975)

Post-FULRO Events (1975-2004)

PO CEI BREI FLED TO CAMBODIA IN 1795-1796 TO FIND SUPPORT

About the IOC-Campa and Its Mission

IOC Activities

I actually hate Pol Pot because the only thing he accomplish was decreasing the Chinese, Cham, and Thai population in Cambodia and helping Vietnam by killing all of FULRO's leaders. The Cham IOC organization noted that although FULRO became an enemy of the Khmer Rouge, it continued to fight against Vietnam and try to free Champa and that the Cham still work with the Kampuchea Khmer Krom and Montagnards against Vietnam today.

Post-FULRO Events (1975-2004)

H-(Hội đồng người bản địa tại Việt Nam (CIP-TVN) đi tham dự Đại Hội Quốc Tế về quyền của các dân tộc bản địa lần thứ 6.)

FULRO just shows how much Vietnam was hated- The Muslim and Hindu Chams, the Buddhist Khmer, and the Montagnards all joined together in FULRO to fight against BOTH the North Vietnamese and South Vietnamese governments for independence.

And even when Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot were attacking FULRO, the Cham and Montagnards in FULRO still hated Vietnam even more and FULRO continued to fight Vietnam during Pol Pot's attacks on them, and now they (Cham and Montagnards) are working with each other and Khmer Krom in America today. Pol Pot's persecution of FULRO and his attacks on Chinese, Thai, and Cham did not stop FULRO's determination in fighting against Vietnam for independence or China's continued support of FULRO.

Musa Porome is the name of the most famous Cham Muslim activist from Vietnam in America. He has done alot of historical research and works with the International Office of Champa (IOC), which cooperates with Kampuchea Krom (Cambodian) and Montagnard organizations against the Vietnamese government.

 

[faithfulguy]

But Tran people are not Han,they r Mân (maybe "Mǐn" in Chinese.). Thats why, they dont like Han chinese

Fujian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Min people are Han people. Maybe not in ancient times but now, it is.

 

[Wholegrain]

Its different when in In 11 century,dude. Our Tran emperor is Mân("Mǐn" in Chinese), not Han, your history recorded that too

Wrong, by the time of the 11th century, Han people from northern China already were the majority in Fujian. The Min Kingdom before the Song dynasty was founded by Wang Shenzhi who came from Henan in northern China. The Tran Emperors came to Vietnam during the Song dynasty when millions of northern Han already lived in southern China.

 

[thesolar65]

I suggest you ask Bloomberg who wrote the article.

They are pissed off as Vietnam is not only the middle power but also showing them the middle finger unlike our leaders!!

 

[Viet]

Ethnically the Vietnamese are very close to East Asians, who have consistently exhibited superior intelligence to Indians in all tests performed. This report should not be a surprise. The Vietnamese can pose a much more serious threat to China in future than the Indians who will be nothing more than a nuisance from time to time.

Vietnam as a future serious threat, are you nuts? wake up!

Dude, if you haven´t noticed: China is multiple times bigger than Vietnam, more people, more landmass, more money, more military as well as economics power, more everything...You should rather perceive other powers such as Japan, America and Russia as your enemies. We are peaceful people. Vietnam does not even possess a destroyer or nuclear sub. And China? you have more warships than all navies in East and South East Asia combined.

Last but not least, if I am Chinese, I would take India as a serious threat, a country as big and populous as your China.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

People from Nam have ball$, unlike our leaders who consider working under a juvenile is a matter of pride

They are pissed off as Vietnam is not only the middle power but also showing them the middle finger unlike our leaders!!

 

[Edison Chen]

(1) We are peaceful people. (2) Vietnam does not even possess a destroyer or nuclear sub.

Last but not least, if you were Chinese, I would take India as a serious threat, a country as big and populous as your China.

wake up kid!

(1) is not the causation of (2)

India threat? We have threat from USA and Japan, but never from India. Please respect China's taste.

 

[Viet]

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China and Thailand were not aware of the idiotic internal policy of Pol Pot, and America told China and Thailand that since Pol Pot was anti-Soviet that it should give full support, the American National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted to this, he said to the Chinese and Thailand that anything anti-Soviet must be backed, because he hated the Soviets so much since they were occupying his home country of Poland. And I'm only talking about Pol Pot's stupidity in killing Thai, Cham and Chinese, not what he did to Vietnamese or his reconquest of Khmer Krom land.

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I actually hate Pol Pot because the only thing he accomplish was decreasing the Chinese, Cham, and Thai population in Cambodia and helping Vietnam by killing all of FULRO's leaders. The Cham IOC organization noted that although FULRO became an enemy of the Khmer Rouge, it continued to fight against Vietnam and try to free Champa and that the Cham still work with the Kampuchea Khmer Krom and Montagnards against Vietnam today.

Pls don´t tell me **** and bull story. China and Thailand were not aware of the genocide in Cambodia, carried out by the Red Khmers? The massacre continued for several years until Vietnam invaded Cambodia and stopped the killing in 1978.
Either you both were blind or you both were stupid and ignorant. Either way, China as well as Thailand were the culprits.

This photo at the farewell ceremony for Pol Pot in Beijing on 22 October 1977 is the last photo of Pol Pot while he was in power before being driven to the jungle more than two years later on 7 January 1979. With a smiling Pol Pot waving in the foreground, Deng Xiaoping on the left and Hua Guofeng in the foreground. Between Hua and Pol Pot, is Ieng Sary, Minister foreign affairs and Pol Pot’s brother-in-law. While Vietnam captioned this as Pol Pot’s arrival in Beijing, Deng was absent the day of the welcoming ceremony for Pol Pot.

Pot Pot Tells China in 1977 that Killings Underway, to Continue | natethayer

 

[Wholegrain]

Pls don´t tell me **** and bull story. China and Thailand were not aware of the genocide in Cambodia, carried out by the Red Khmers? The massacre continued for several years until Vietnam invaded Cambodia and stopped the killing in 1978.
Either you both were blind or you both were stupid and ignorant. Either way, China as well as Thailand were the culprits.

This photo at the farewell ceremony for Pol Pot in Beijing on 22 October 1977 is the last photo of Pol Pot while he was in power before being driven to the jungle more than two years later on 7 January 1979. With a smiling Pol Pot waving in the foreground, Deng Xiaoping on the left and Hua Guofeng in the foreground. Between Hua and Pol Pot, is Ieng Sary, Minister foreign affairs and Pol Pot’s brother-in-law. While Vietnam captioned this as Pol Pot’s arrival in Beijing, Deng was absent the day of the welcoming ceremony for Pol Pot.

Pot Pot Tells China in 1977 that Killings Underway, to Continue | natethayer

First of all, this is a wordpress blog.

Secondly, Pol Pot told China that he would kill enemies in the party, he never said anything to China about mass murdering entire ethnic groups like Chinese, Thai and Cham. Killing political opponents is normal in these countries. Saddam Hussein murdered many political opponents during his rule and so do tons of other dictators. That doesn't indicate genocide is imminent. Many political opponenets were killed in Taiwan during the White Terror.

Pol Pot details Khmer Rouge killing enemies in the party to Chinese premier Hua Guofeng in 1977, warns him war with Vietnam is neccessary and looming

Third, China would never agree to the Khmer Rouge doing something as retarded like murder the entire FULRO leadership when FULRO is needed to fight Vietnam, and the Cham were needed as recruits to FULRO. Khmer Rouge just murdered the entire population of potential FULRO fighters against Vietnam, and destroyed the Chinese and Thai communities in Cambodia.

Fourth, Chinese and Cham still hate Vietnam. International Office of Champa (IOC) and Cham activists like Musa Porome hate Vietnam and celebrate FULRO's resistance against Vietnam. They hate Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge but they (and the Montagnards) hate Vietnam even more.

From the F.L.M to Fulro (1955-1975)

Post-FULRO Events (1975-2004)

H-(Hội đồng người bản địa tại Việt Nam (CIP-TVN) đi tham dự Đại Hội Quốc Tế về quyền của các dân tộc bản địa lần thứ 6.)


PO CEI BREI FLED TO CAMBODIA IN 1795-1796 TO FIND SUPPORT

About the IOC-Campa and Its Mission

IOC Activities

China supported the Cham and Montagnards in FULRO and wanted to keep in intact to fight against Vietnam, but Pol Pot decided to kill them all for no reason.

The Ethnography of Vietnam's Central Highlanders

Battle for the Central Highlands

Chinese Military Strategy in the Third Indochina War

The Vietnam People's Army Under ổi Mới - Carlyle A. Thayer - Google knygos

Pol Pot also said "We have conversed with our Burmese, Malaysian, Indonesian, and Thai friends and reached agreement with them. " Did they too know Pol Pot was going full retard, and murder the very people who wanted to fight against Vietnam?

 

[Viet]

Third, China would never agree to the Khmer Rouge doing something as retarded like murder the entire FULRO leadership when FULRO is needed to fight Vietnam, and the Cham were needed as recruits to FULRO. Khmer Rouge just murdered the entire population of potential FULRO fighters against Vietnam, and destroyed the Chinese and Thai communities in Cambodia.

You admit the dirty foreign policy of China: misusing others as a tool. So is the reality, you don´t care the feelings of others unless they hurt your interests.