Vietnam government presents high-speed rail plan next year

[Place Of Space]

Will be an interesting event seeing China at a TPP meeting.


We are living in an intense environment in East Asia. There is a very small window of opportunity for Vietnam. Either we catch it now or NEVER.

Definitely. The host nation and Australia invite China to join the meeting, of course Japan dislikes, but it can't stop China.

 

[Kyle Sun]

hsr for only cargo trains?

 

[Viet]

Definitely. The host nation and Australia invite China to join the meeting, of course Japan dislikes, but it can't stop China.

Ok hopefully you and the Japanese don't physically fight on the Tpp meeting. And pls don't mention anything related to the south china sea and your historical Han dynasty claim. Thank you.

hsr for only cargo trains?

No. Completely new tracks. The new HSR will transport passengers, while the existing conventional trains will transport cargoes.

 

[shjliu]

Will be an interesting event seeing China at a TPP meeting.


We are living in an intense environment in East Asia. There is a very small window of opportunity for Vietnam. Either we catch it now or NEVER.

hope everybody in East Asia live in peace, built their country, not war! when everyone is rich, then everyone will be happy, will be less people want to go to war for small things!
Let TPP or RCEP work for every country that joins in!! prosper and get rich!!

 

[Viet]

"... unfortunately for our nation is living next to his brother that the level of kindness is low, good gene is low, good gene is not superior ..."
ĐCSVN

some have realized some not. regardless I think we will have our HSR version in 10 years.

 

[GS Zhou]

The Koreans are late comer to HSR, but they are very ambitious.

A country with 120km HSR line in construction, and 49km HSR line in planning. That's really ambitious!

You otoh can't back up your fantasy with anyone who will let Vietnam borrow $60 bil

$60bn is equivalent to the total external debt of Vietnam, or even 30% bigger than the portion of the external debt with VN government guarantee.

Unless VN government could show sufficient convincing reasons to the creditor, I see no chances for creditor to lend $60bn to Vietnam, or even just half of the amount ($30bn). The sufficient convincing reasons, according to my opinion, should include at least the following:
- the project could be completed in time, i.e. no delay in feasibility study, new technology R&D (350kmh train, tropical conditions, etc.), land clearance, and construction

- the project cost could be controlled within the initial limitation

- Sufficient passenger traffic volume after the HSR starts operation, so the HSR line could be profitable.

FYI, the following table shows the current external debt statistics of Vietnam (in million USD).

 

[TaiShang]

Ok hopefully you and the Japanese don't physically fight on the Tpp meeting. And pls don't mention anything related to the south china sea and your historical Han dynasty claim. Thank you.

Welcome to join China-led TPP.

some have realized some not. regardless I think we will have our HSR version in 10 years.

I do not think Japan will ever give you that much of money. They more like to set up expensive infra to charge you to the bone later under the disguise of maintenance and services.

Japan's ODI, too, is not that impressive. From 2008 to 2012, it was a little over 1.6 billion USD. 20 million of this was grant. The rest was all loan.

www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/data/pdfs/Vietnam.pdf

 

[shadows888]

Welcome to join China-led TPP.



I do not think Japan will ever give you that much of money. They more like to set up expensive infra to charge you to the bone later under the disguise of maintenance and services.

Japan's ODI, too, is not that impressive. From 2008 to 2012, it was a little over 1.6 billion USD. 20 million of this was grant. The rest was all loan.

www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/data/pdfs/Vietnam.pdf

TPP sucks, just let it die. RECP is the way to go.

 

[TaiShang]

TPP sucks, just let it die. RECP is the way to go.

I believe so, as well. TPP is already tainted as a geopolitical tool. I guess China is just making remarks to rub salt on the pain felt by TPP-as-a-China-containment lovers.

In any case, if it comes under China, TPP will be quite different from the form the US tried to give it.

 

[Viet]

I believe so, as well. TPP is already tainted as a geopolitical tool. I guess China is just making remarks to rub salt on the pain felt by TPP-as-a-China-containment lovers.

In any case, if it comes under China, TPP will be quite different from the form the US tried to give it.

TPP sucks, just let it die. RECP is the way to go.

You both don't read the comment I wrote previously. With such thinking and bad intention in your mind, a physical fight on the incoming Tpp meeting will be inevitable between you and the Japanese. An embarrassment for everybody. the Japanese have no humor for your sabotage act. Maybe it is better you stay away.

 

[TaiShang]

You both don't read the comment I wrote previously. With such thinking and bad intention in your mind, a physical fight on the incoming Tpp meeting will be inevitable between you and the Japanese. An embarrassment for everybody. the Japanese have no humor for your sabotage act. Maybe it is better you stay away.

I think when China is present in the meeting, natural leadership automatically shifts to Beijing. The remaining option for Japan is either to stay on board or disembark.

The bad seeds were already planted when TPP was rendered as a political tool against China and some minor parties were happy silently.

China, on its part, won't be patronizing, but, it also has to care about the interests of developing countries like itself, including sovereignty interests and non-interventionism.

 

[Viet]

A country with 120km HSR line in construction, and 49km HSR line in planning. That's really ambitious!
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$60bn is equivalent to the total external debt of Vietnam, or even 30% bigger than the portion of the external debt with VN government guarantee.

Unless VN government could show sufficient convincing reasons to the creditor, I see no chances for creditor to lend $60bn to Vietnam, or even just half of the amount ($30bn). The sufficient convincing reasons, according to my opinion, should include at least the following:
- the project could be completed in time, i.e. no delay in feasibility study, new technology R&D (350kmh train, tropical conditions, etc.), land clearance, and construction

- the project cost could be controlled within the initial limitation

- Sufficient passenger traffic volume after the HSR starts operation, so the HSR line could be profitable.

FYI, the following table shows the current external debt statistics of Vietnam (in million USD).
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Korea was once poorer than black Africa. Look where the country stands now. That is only achievable when the people are ambitious. What you see is just a snapshot of time. How many km in HSR had China 10 years ago?

Debt is bad if it only goes to consumption. I don't think building infrastructure by external loans is bad unless debt level becomes unbearable. The Japanese set up $200b infrastructure bank. They know Vietnam is a country of the future. Lending money to Vietnam will not cause them sleepless nights.

We will see how things go. I think we build with Korean technology.

 

[shjliu]

Yes peace and prosperity are better for everybody but I am afraid there is a long way to go before east asia is as united as Europe. The Europeans staged wars against each other for centuries. There are now countries in East Asia with people fueled by blinded nationalism, fake historical claims, arrogance and naked aggression. a big Country close to Vietnam whose people believe the time has come. All signs show it is too late now. All armies are prepared for a showdown.

The most difficult challenge for Vietnam now will be, how to stay away from the incoming war, that will devastate Japan, Korea and China, killing millions and millions. We have seen enough of wars. We don't want to see any war ever again. But there are nations that seek war. Let them be. I think once all are physically and mentally exhausted by war we will see the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans will be as peaceful as the Germans today.

we are off-topic.

I think it is ok name the country, you don't have to write "big country", just name it, China.
regarding historical claims, we do not know who is right, as long ago, maybe China is part of Vietnam, or China is part of Korea (that is how they see it, Korean is from central China, so they are the rightful descendants of all that happened in history); since we all know war is NOT an option, why don't East Asian countries sit down and TALK? War with China is stupid, don't you think? so talk! negotiate.

"... unfortunately for our nation is living next to his brother that the level of kindness is low, good gene is low, good gene is not superior ..."
ĐCSVN

Say it, what "kindness is LOW, Good Gene is LOW", State the country, China, what did their do to Vietnam! of course, if whatever you said, people will also say "Vietnam invaded Cambodia"..... the story will never end! why don't people close the history, look forward, see what can all East Asian countries do to make people prosper and rich?

To be fair, China did invade Vietnam (disregard they want to help Cambodia) , but during war with US, did not China helped North Vietnam? do you think without China's helped Vietnam will exist as today? so one good, one bad, even out!

 

[Viet]

Please give back the entire Paracel and Spratly islands for Vietnam.

We should not hold unrealistic expectations. The best thing we shall do is negotiating on a fishing rights and non-aggression pact.

 

[Kyle Sun]

No. Completely new tracks. The new HSR will transport passengers, while the existing conventional trains will transport cargoes.

Do not need to restrict the function of HSR.
China HSR is transporting both passengers and cargos, like EMS or online shopping expressages.

And you should not hesitate to build your HSR.
Even your HSR can not have a reasonable attendance in the short term.

Because your eco is going to take off.

Let the train wait for the passengers and cargo but not vice versa.

And the most important thing is that China HSR is your best option.