Vietnam first metro to operate commercially by year-end (built by China)

[Beast]

We need HSR in metropolitan US cities. I live in Dallas, Texas, and our downtown infrastructure is miserable. Then again, the entire infrastructure of the US is in pretty bad shape so I guess I cannot complain too much. The only excuse ppl provide is "ohhh America is a car country ... it doesn't need other transportation methods."

@gambit @Hamartia Antidote @F-22Raptor

 

[Nan Yang]

Ask any of your Chinese relatives working in Japanese restaurants what is the quality of entire Japanese living standard and what a train seat is. Do not please blabber---- on things that you are unable to understand. Japan is in a different league. However you try, China will not reach the same living standard as Japan in the next thousand years. Forget about the great Chinese past.

I am so fond of reading Chinese history and watching Chinese historical drama series. Modern age is different and Japan has curbed out its place by working hard for about the last 150 years. I have been to China and I can tell China is no match to Japan.

Japan is way over rated. Yes they are crazy clean and crazy about details. I have been on many business trips to Japan in the past so I am aware of their good sides. But there are also many dark side of their culture.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

@gambit @Hamartia Antidote @F-22Raptor

We need HSR in metropolitan US cities. I live in Dallas, Texas, and our downtown infrastructure is miserable. Then again, the entire infrastructure of the US is in pretty bad shape so I guess I cannot complain too much. The only excuse ppl provide is "ohhh America is a car country ... it doesn't need other transportation methods."

If you live in Dallas how is high speed rail going to help in your daily life? The city is only 25 miles wide. By the time it gets up to speed you'll already be at your destination.

Not practical

More practical

However If you REALLY mean you have a nice job and live in a single family home in a nice Dallas suburb ( LOL! ) and taking the commuter rail into the city is too slow.. Well if the Dallas commuter rail system is anything like the Boston area one you'll know it stops in almost every town it passes through and with each town being nowhere close to 25 miles you'll run into the same problem situation I mentioned above.

 

[Nilgiri]

I really don't see a difference between Chinese and Japanese HSR tbh ... I've ridden on both. More or less the same. I don't claim to be an expert though but from a comfort standpoint I didn't see anything inferior to the Chinese one versus the Japanese one (although the Japanese one was older IIRC). It is true the Japanese had this technology quite a long time ago but the Chinese have caught up remarkably fast.

Yah HSR may be the case....but thats domestic deployed in China....and domestic deployed in Japan for most part (I think only Taiwan has the japanese system outside of Japan, and Korean one is French tech). I have been on both HSR (Japan and China....also Europe to some extent)...Chinese one is top notch at first impression.

I'm just talking about what at scale both have done now w.r.t metro mass transit systems...and larger transport+logisitics industry and investment.

I (and others I know) did not care much for the chinese systems I have been on thus far (outside China that is, inside China was fairly good from what I saw)....whereas all japanese and korean rolling stock (direct or derivatives) have been good to very good....canadian (bombardier) and french (alstom) and german (siemens) are also pretty good.

China industrial ToT investment and development and production in 3rd party countries (at large integrated scale) also remains to be seen in qualitative competitive aspect....but its to be expected given the size of China labour force that still has to be employed as far as possible over sourcing labour in more markets for production there (like Japan, Korea, Europe, US etc are more preferable to doing).

 

[cochine]

This is another project under construction by France Company in Hanoi.

 

[Journeyman]

Lol at trying to be all high and mighty with me. Why don't you ask your relatives working as slaves for Gulf Arabs what they think about this? If Japan was so great where are their mobile companies, software companies? Does Japan have 14 nm semiconductor foundries?

Please do not blabber on things you don't understand.

Are you kidding me? Japan already surpassed the stage of producing chip ; they have reached the stage of producing semiconductor machineries (decades ago), that China try to import to make those chips LOL. Japan is one of a few countries in the world that can make those hi-tech machineries (and even materials). Japan's semiconductor industries is in a different league, buddy.

 

[Song Hong]

This French/Korean joint project started in 2006, will not be fully completed before 2030. Though by observation, part of the route such as Kim Ma, Indochina-Plaza could start operation testing.

It was suppose to be fully operation in 2010.

China metro project started on October 2011, and finished 2018.

This is another project under construction by France Company in Hanoi.

 

[cochine]

This French/Korean joint project started in 2006, will not be fully completed before 2030. Though by observation, part of the route such as Kim Ma, Indochina-Plaza could start operation testing.

It was suppose to be fully operation in 2010.

China metro project started on October 2011, and finished 2018.

quoted:
Theo thông tin từ Ban Quản lý đường sắt đô thị Hà Nội, kế hoạch đưa đoàn tàu đầu tiên của tuyến đường sắt đô thị Nhổn-ga Hà Nội được sản xuất tại Pháp về nước vào tháng 7/2020. Tuy nhiên, thời gian qua, đại dịch COVID-19 ảnh hưởng lớn đến tiến độ sản xuất và vận chuyển các đoàn tàu.

“Nhà thầu của gói thầu này (Liên danh Alstom-Thales-Colas Rails) cam kết sẽ khắc phục khó khăn, phấn đấu đưa đoàn tàu đầu tiên của dự án về Việt Nam vào cuối năm 2020 đồng thời sản xuất và vận chuyển các đoàn tàu còn lại về dự án đúng thời gian dự kiến. Theo kế hoạch, các đoàn tàu sẽ được vận chuyển bằng đường biển, từ cảng Le Havre, cảng thương mại lớn thứ hai ở Pháp và cập cảng biển Hải Phòng,” đại diện Ban Quản lý đường sắt đô thị Hà Nội cho hay.
end of quote.

What did Koreans do in this project ?

link: http://kbchn.net/khi-nao-doan-tau-duong-sat-do-thi-nhon-ga-ha-noi-ve-nuoc-112294.html

 

[Journeyman]

This French/Korean joint project started in 2006, will not be fully completed before 2030. Though by observation, part of the route such as Kim Ma, Indochina-Plaza could start operation testing.

It was suppose to be fully operation in 2010.

China metro project started on October 2011, and finished 2018.

the chinese metro started in the end of 2006, so they are behind like 14 years. There are calls in Vietnam to demolish this chinese metro and rebuild again due to the severity or lack of safety of this line.

 

[Song Hong]

Lets me exact. The open bidding started 2008 Dec. China subsequently started the construction 2011.

About the project delay, a lot of Ministry Transport shyyt can be aired. I do not want to expose in PDF.

Please.

https://thuvienphapluat.vn/van-ban/...h-dau-thau-Du-an-Duong-sat-do-thi-104957.aspx


https://dantri.com.vn/xa-hoi/khoi-cong-tuyen-duong-sat-do-thi-cat-linh-ha-dong-1318571816.htm

the chinese metro started in the end of 2006, so they are behind like 14 years. There are calls in Vietnam to demolish this chinese metro and rebuild again due to the severity or lack of safety of this line.

 

[cochine]

theo bộ Giao Thông Pháp, tổ hợp ba công ty Pháp Alstom, Thales và Colas Rails (Bouygues), đã chính thức nhận được một hợp đồng trị giá 265 triệu euro.

Lets me exact. The open bidding started 2008 Dec. China subsequently started the construction 2011.

About the project delay, a lot of Ministry Transport shyyt can be aired. I do not want to expose in PDF.

Please.

https://thuvienphapluat.vn/van-ban/...h-dau-thau-Du-an-Duong-sat-do-thi-104957.aspx


https://dantri.com.vn/xa-hoi/khoi-cong-tuyen-duong-sat-do-thi-cat-linh-ha-dong-1318571816.htm

You don answer my question : What did Korean do in the Project Nhon - Ga Hanoi ?

 

[Song Hong]

You are obviously not from Hanoi. The Koreans are subcontractors in the structural engineering.

https://twitter.com/x/status/978952035713220608

http://www.daelim.co.kr/eng/daelim/pr/NewsView.do?idx=11603

theo bộ Giao Thông Pháp, tổ hợp ba công ty Pháp Alstom, Thales và Colas Rails (Bouygues), đã chính thức nhận được một hợp đồng trị giá 265 triệu euro.


You don answer my question : What did Korean do in the Project Nhon - Ga Hanoi ?

 

[Daniel808]

@gambit @Hamartia Antidote @F-22Raptor

If you live in Dallas how is high speed rail going to help in your daily life? The city is only 25 miles wide. By the time it gets up to speed you'll already be at your destination.

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More practical

However If you REALLY mean you have a nice job and live in a single family home in a nice Dallas suburb ( LOL! ) and taking the commuter rail into the city is too slow.. Well if the Dallas commuter rail system is anything like the Boston area one you'll know it stops in almost every town it passes through and with each town being nowhere close to 25 miles you'll run into the same problem situation I mentioned above.

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I think he mean, HSR as Inter-City Connection. Like from Dallas to Austin and other 100-200 miles city range

 

[Nan Yang]

PM Phan Van Dong, the closest aide of Uncle Ho Chi Minh infer Spratly and Paracel belongs to China.

Unfortunately Le Duan reverse it.

Most Vietnamese do not know the history.

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China has produced a letter written by North Vietnam’s former Prime Minister Pham Van Dong in 1958 as proof that it holds sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands;

I have also read official Vietnam newspaper explain that these islands were a small price to pay for gaining back the much bigger prize of South Vietnam.

China is aggressor, China invaded and taken Vietnam Islands with Force. Map of China is here.

Not entirely true. It was a naval battle between South Vietnam and China. In fact in terms of tonnage, the South Vietnam navy was way much heavier and had larger warship (3 frigates & 1 convette) but still lost. South Vietnam also have United States as an ally. US Navy was just right there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Are you kidding me? Japan already surpassed the stage of producing chip ; they have reached the stage of producing semiconductor machineries (decades ago), that China try to import to make those chips LOL. Japan is one of a few countries in the world that can make those hi-tech machineries (and even materials). Japan's semiconductor industries is in a different league, buddy.

You mean semiconductor machinery companies like AMEC? Which make these 5 nm plasma etch tools? That TSMC uses?

Different skillsets are required for semiconductor machinery vs. semiconductor foundry. It's completely separate. Is the best mechanic also the best driver? Same principle.

BTW, the market for semiconductor machinery is much smaller than the market for semiconductor chips. It necessarily must be - nobody would buy the machinery if they couldn't make money with it. Knowing this, why would Japan give up money it didn't need to if it simply "moved beyond" the stage of producing chips? If it was super easy for them to compete, why wouldn't they just keep doing it? US never "moved beyond" making chips after all, they kept raking in the free money. The reality is, Japanese chips simply aren't competitive anymore outside a few niches.