Vietnam first metro to operate commercially by year-end (built by China)

[Hamartia Antidote]

Does China need anyone to tell how to build a railway??

Well the harp type cable-stayed bridge is not a Chinese design....

 

[Viet]

China built a shoddy railway line in Hanoi. Pictures are there to see and evaluate. Very low quality work that Japan will never do. Japan is sincere in its approach towards other countries, China is not. It wants to get a contract anyhow.

However, the bridges being built inside China are impressive. Thanks for the video.

Because we are new to metro rail business our chinese friends exploit us to the last penny, causing delays, quality setbacks. If I was me in the decision making I would never give such thing completely to the Chinese. I would ask for ToT, ask for quality assurance, money back if delays.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Making chip is easy. ASML even show you and train you how to do it. They sell you the hardware, software, and services to use their machines. Making cheap chip at huge volumes to offset those expensive machineries is difficult because you need a consumer brand that absorb those chip. Good for u to assemble a semiconductor machinery from foreign parts, china afterall is not in the league with japan semiconductor yet, not even close

I was not aware that ASML was Japanese or that they made etch, deposition, wet chemical, ion implantation or metrology equipment.

@gambit you have a golden opportunity here to educate a fellow Vietnamese American on the semiconductor industry and the challenges associated with it. I value your contribution.

 

[bluesky]

Because we are new to metro rail business our chinese friends exploit us to the last penny, causing delays, quality setbacks. If I was me in the decision making I would never give such thing completely to the Chinese. I would ask for ToT, ask for quality assurance, money back if delays.

I wish the next phase of MetroRail will be done by Japan. However, as far as I understand, Japn govt does not participate in projects its high technology from where may be stolen by China.

The same is true for Jakarta. Once China has participated, Japan is not showing interest in a similar project although being requested by the Indonesian govt. So, Japan may participate in a Bullet Train project rather than any MetroRail project. Anyway, this is what I assume.

@Nike

 

[Nike]

I wish the next phase of MetroRail will be done by Japan. However, as far as I understand, Japn govt does not participate in projects its high technology from where may be stolen by China.

The same is true for Jakarta. Once China has participated, Japan is not showing interest in a similar project although being requested by the Indonesian govt. So, Japan may participate in a Bullet Train project rather than any MetroRail project. Anyway, this is what I assume.

@Nike

Not at all,

Japan still showing high interest and commited in Indonesia HSR and Metro cause the yield return promised to build Metro and HSR in Indonesia is quite promising according to their own studies feasibility. Afterall Jakarta Surabaya track is Linked between two largest urban metropolis in Indonesia with Jakarta urban area hold 32 million population and Surabaya metropolitan urban area hold 10 million population and in between the two city scattered around five city with population more than one million each like Bandung, Semarang, Jogjakarta, Bekasi and so on.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...ner-for-jakarta-surabaya-railway-project.html

For metro project initial projects will be done by assistance of Japan meanwhile at later stages and less technically challenge situation will be done by Indonesian consortium, the example is Jakarta greater LRT is being done by local companies with local Made rolling stocks. The thing is current Indonesia stackholder quite ambitious to getting more technical skills and science regarding railway technology. So getting China assistance at first is not so bad actually as Indonesia greater ambition is to build our own railway ecosystem to be capable to build our own metro or HSR.

 

[Viet]

I wish the next phase of MetroRail will be done by Japan. However, as far as I understand, Japn govt does not participate in projects its high technology from where may be stolen by China.

The same is true for Jakarta. Once China has participated, Japan is not showing interest in a similar project although being requested by the Indonesian govt. So, Japan may participate in a Bullet Train project rather than any MetroRail project. Anyway, this is what I assume.

@Nike

No if that is the case Japan would not participate in building metro rail or subways anywhere.
We plan 7 metro lines in Saigon, 8 in Hanoi. One of the Saigon subways is currently built by Japan.

Test run is scheduled in Q3.

 

[bluesky]

Not at all,

Japan still showing high interest and commited in Indonesia HSR and Metro cause the yield return promised to build Metro and HSR in Indonesia is quite promising according to their own studies feasibility. Afterall Jakarta Surabaya track is Linked between two largest urban metropolis in Indonesia with Jakarta urban area hold 32 million population and Surabaya metropolitan urban area hold 10 million population and in between the two city scattered around five city with population more than one million each like Bandung, Semarang, Jogjakarta, Bekasi and so on.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...ner-for-jakarta-surabaya-railway-project.html

@Viet

@Viet

For metro project initial projects will be done by assistance of Japan meanwhile at later stages and less technically challenge situation will be done by Indonesian consortium, the example is Jakarta greater LRT is being done by local companies with local Made rolling stocks. The thing is current Indonesia stackholder quite ambitious to getting more technical skills and science regarding railway technology. So getting China assistance at first is not so bad actually as Indonesia greater ambition is to build our own railway ecosystem to be capable to build our own metro or HSR.

Yes, you are right. Japan will participate in a long distance railway project. A news on that in a Japanese newspaper:

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200530/p2g/00m/0in/020000c

 

[Mista]

Really? This is surprising because I've been to both countries as well. Shanghai is probably one of the most advanced cities in the world, alongside Tokyo and Singapore.

What's so advanced in Singapore?

 

[Journeyman]

What's so advanced in Singapore?

Prostitution is an industry there ..legally. it's a major income earning source for their economy.

 

[Mista]

Prostitution is an industry there ..legally. it's a major income earning source for their economy.

Lmao.

 

[gambit]

Making chip is easy. ASML even show you and train you how to do it. They sell you the hardware, software, and services to use their machines. Making cheap chip at huge volumes to offset those expensive machineries is difficult because you need a consumer brand that absorb those chip. Good for u to assemble a semiconductor machinery from foreign parts, china afterall is not in the league with japan semiconductor yet, not even close

No, it is not easy. Not even when you are working on commodity products like NAND or DRAM. And for CPU, it is even more difficult.

I know that Intel is in Viet Nam. I had a job offer there, and me being Viet, it would have been a good opportunity. But I declined for family reasons in the US. That said...

It takes about 3-5 months from wafer start to ship. But for a new fab startup, for at least one calendar yr, literally every wafer from the new fab will be scrapped.

Intel have what it calls 'Copy Exact' and 'Copy Smart'.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-05/30/content_603764.htm

Engineers strive to duplicate even the subtlest of manufacturing variables, from the color of a worker's gloves to the type of fluorescent lights in the building. Employees from around the world spend more than a year at a development lab in Oregon learning their small piece of the new recipe so they can bring it back to their home factory.
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Even once the new fab is producing wafers, their yields will be far below current standards. That is reality -- nothing is perfect. Each wafer will be shipped -- not to customers -- but to a different fab for analysis. Then the new fab will receive fine tuning instructions and a new wafer batch will begin. The cycle is called 'qualification' and usually take at least two yrs before the products from the new fab will be allowed to ship to customers. The programs of 'Copy Smart' and 'Copy Exact' are not meant to produce identical products but to reduce -- not eliminate -- as much trial-and-error as possible.

What Intel does is just one example of one company's attempt to accelerate its manufacturing processes. Other semicon companies do similar. But overall, making chips is NOT easy.

I was not aware that ASML was Japanese or that they made etch, deposition, wet chemical, ion implantation or metrology equipment.

@gambit you have a golden opportunity here to educate a fellow Vietnamese American on the semiconductor industry and the challenges associated with it. I value your contribution.

That was easy. Now, why you did not do it to your fellow Chinese when they were making even more outlandish claims?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

No, it is not easy. Not even when you are working on commodity products like NAND or DRAM. And for CPU, it is even more difficult.

I know that Intel is in Viet Nam. I had a job offer there, and me being Viet, it would have been a good opportunity. But I declined for family reasons in the US. That said...

It takes about 3-5 months from wafer start to ship. But for a new fab startup, for at least one calendar yr, literally every wafer from the new fab will be scrapped.

Intel have what it calls 'Copy Exact' and 'Copy Smart'.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-05/30/content_603764.htm

Engineers strive to duplicate even the subtlest of manufacturing variables, from the color of a worker's gloves to the type of fluorescent lights in the building. Employees from around the world spend more than a year at a development lab in Oregon learning their small piece of the new recipe so they can bring it back to their home factory.
​

Even once the new fab is producing wafers, their yields will be far below current standards. That is reality -- nothing is perfect. Each wafer will be shipped -- not to customers -- but to a different fab for analysis. Then the new fab will receive fine tuning instructions and a new wafer batch will begin. The cycle is called 'qualification' and usually take at least two yrs before the products from the new fab will be allowed to ship to customers. The programs of 'Copy Smart' and 'Copy Exact' are not meant to produce identical products but to reduce -- not eliminate -- as much trial-and-error as possible.

What Intel does is just one example of one company's attempt to accelerate its manufacturing processes. Other semicon companies do similar. But overall, making chips is NOT easy.


That was easy. Now, why you did not do it to your fellow Chinese when they were making even more outlandish claims?

Thank you for the contribution. I do so when possible i.e. I see the problematic claim and understand why it is problematic.

 

[gambit]

I do so when possible

No, you ran.

 

[Song Hong]

The other metro designed by French Metro is 62.2% completed. In particular, the two packages are 100% complete, the overhead section and the Depot technical infrastructure.

Projected started 2006, construction 2010. It wont be completed before 2030.

https://vnexpress.net/doan-tau-metro-nhon-ga-ha-noi-chay-thu-o-phap-4122519.html