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[vtnsx]

@Carlosa
For your entertainment

Non critical parts? As in the material for the whole body is non-critical? Are you really an engineer? Evaluating bids are done by technical engineers to check if the technicalities are correct, negotiating is done by procurement. If the technicalities are correct, normally the procurement committee will look at the cost, after which the vendor is selected and negotiation starts. Why are we going into bids and procurement, you are going out of topic, I was just proving to you Chinese material is used widely, it's just you don't realize it. A new resin developed by my company is made in China, we claim it's European for marketing purposes.

I am and I did all of the above. And I just told you, Chinese steel aren't the best quality. And China is not European. I know about Germany Engineering as well. And they would laugh at you.

 

[Han Patriot]

@Carlosa
For your entertainment

I am and I did all of the above. And I just told you, Chinese steel aren't the best quality. And China is not European. I know about Germany Engineering as well. And they would laugh at you.

I think you might be some junior engineer? How do you define quality? If the material conforms to a certain set of standards and pass the test required, it is having a certain quality. I can tell you the best quality steel comparable to European steel can be found in China, it's a matter of whether you are willing to pay. There is nothing complex in making CS, SS, or Duplex steel.

 

[vtnsx]

I think you might be some junior engineer? How do you define quality? If the material conforms to a certain set of standards and pass the test required, it is having a certain quality. I can tell you the best quality steel comparable to European steel can be found in China, it's a matter of whether you are willing to pay. There is nothing complex in making CS, SS, or Duplex steel.

Lol, I'm at a level more than a senior chinese engineer and I am independant. Unlike you. You are so naive. You think only of price. I already told you. Your chinese steel doesn't meet American standards. Why are you so slow to get it? Just stop manupulating people into buying your garbage product. Sure, you are right. Making steel shouldn't be that hard, but it is hard for the Chinese.

Go tell your Chinese manufacture why they can't make good steel instead of talking to me. You are slow to get it.

Oh I get, you are too Patriot to the Han. That is why you will never get it.

 

[Han Patriot]

Lol, I'm at a level more than a senior chinese engineer and I am independant. Unlike you. You are so naive. You think only of price. I already told you. Your chinese steel doesn't meet American standards. Why are you so slow to get it? Just stop manupulating people into buying your garbage product. Sure, you are right. Making steel shouldn't be that hard, but it is hard for the Chinese.

Go tell your Chinese manufacture why they can't make good steel instead of talking to me. You are slow to get it.

A level higher than Seniors are Principals, and most are in their 50s, so you telling me you are a 50 year old listening to techno songs?

Right...and pigs can fly. ASME/ASTM are AMERICAN standards, if Chinese steel conform to those standards witnessed by 3rd party inspection companies, what do you not understand? We had been exporting steel products to US for decades.

Yah, if we can make submarine grade steel, space alloys, and even export titanium sponges to INDIA for their 'indigenous' space program, we can't make CS, SS, Duplex steel?

 

[vtnsx]

A level higher than Seniors are Principals, and most are in their 50s, so you telling me you are a 50 year old listening to techno songs?

Right...and pigs can fly. ASME/ASTM are AMERICAN standards, if Chinese steel conform to those standards witnessed by 3rd party inspection companies, what do you not understand? We had been exporting steel products to US for decades.

Yah, if we can make submarine grade steel, space alloys, and even export titanium sponges to INDIA for their 'indigenous' space program, we can't make CS, SS, Duplex steel?

Pigs can fly? really? wow you Chinese are so real and smart. You guys lose touch to reality so quickly. Do you even know what is ASME and ASTM?

By the way, you Chinese Engineers can't build anything right. I have to fix it all and make it right. Your senior Engineers are useless and brainless. Without me, they are nothing. You guys watch too much Chinese fantasy novels and fairy tails, you forgot reality. Your best engineers are affected by it. LOL, it's a reality you need to address.

Space alloys? what is that? Space mix with carbon steel? hahaha. Only is made in China, eh?
Yes you have been exporting steel to US and they have to rework your steel to meet the American standard. You probably don't know that because you're so full of 5h1t and too patriotic to your own kind to care.

You should ask India why they purchase Titanium from you. Everything made from China are low quality and you know it.

You should thank Singapore for giving you the opportunity to work with their companies and gain their knowledge and for you to be able to talk with me. You ungrateful pos.

 

[dingyibvs]

Vtsnx, if you're so senior, why don't you back up your assertion with facts? What makes American steel superior to Chinese steel that conforms to the same standards?

 

[vtnsx]

Vtsnx, if you're so senior, why don't you back up your assertion with facts? What makes American steel superior to Chinese steel that conforms to the same standards?

Come work with me and I'll show you how we select steel. Otherwise, stfu and get out of this thread. I was talking to the other dude, why are you interfering? Does it pisses you off because I'm better than you and you are not? haha typical Chinese. You guys don't look at facts, you look at fantasy. Hhaha who needs to prove anything to you.

 

[Han Patriot]

Come work with me and I'll show you how we select steel. Otherwise, stfu and get out of this thread. I was talking to the other dude, why are you interfering? Does it pisses you off because I'm better than you and you are not? haha typical Chinese. You guys don't look at facts, you look at fantasy. Hhaha who needs to prove anything to you.

Dude, you are sounding abit schizo here. People like that tend to imagine multiple personalities like for example as a 50 yr old principal listening to clubbing songs.

I think I am gonna stop before you explode.

 

[Han Patriot]

Pigs can fly? really? wow you Chinese are so real and smart. You guys lose touch to reality so quickly. Do you even know what is ASME and ASTM?

There are materials standards, welding standards, pressure vessel standards, which one you are referring to. I have a gig of these standards in my hard drive. You want some? You must be one of those guys that can't get sarcasm. Most likely due to your education or lack of it.

By the way, you Chinese Engineers can't build anything right. I have to fix it all and make it right. Your senior Engineers are useless and brainless. Without me, they are nothing. You guys watch too much Chinese fantasy novels and fairy tails, you forgot reality. Your best engineers are affected by it. LOL, it's a reality you need to address.

Hmm, a Viet calling a Chinese useless and brainless. Without you, we are nothing? Ermm, this is really getting abit worrying. Since when our nuclear, space and military programs depended on you?

Space alloys? what is that? Space mix with carbon steel? hahaha. Only is made in China, eh?
Yes you have been exporting steel to US and they have to rework your steel to meet the American standard. You probably don't know that because you're so full of 5h1t and too patriotic to your own kind to care.

If you want to squabble on semantics, fine, it's space grade alloys. I don't know how you can rework steel, are you telling me you melt Chinese steel and mix it to meet American standards? LOL. I know you can repair and rework welding for equipment, but the steel is still the same.

You should ask India why they purchase Titanium from you. Everything made from China are low quality and you know it.

You should thank Singapore for giving you the opportunity to work with their companies and gain their knowledge and for you to be able to talk with me. You ungrateful pos.

You think we point a gun to India and ask them to purchase BILLIONS in our machines, rail equipment, power equipment, telecom equipment and yes, cheap plastic stuff? I guess if you call our products junk, the one buying those 'junk' are even dumber, no? I work and pay taxes in SG, they needed my set of skills, they pay for it, I work. FYI, manufacturing is all done in China, and the reason engineering and sales is not there is because of English, and tht is changing fast.

 

[Viet]

Non critical parts? As in the material for the whole body is non-critical? Are you really an engineer? Evaluating bids are done by technical engineers to check if the technicalities are correct, negotiating is done by procurement. If the technicalities are correct, normally the procurement committee will look at the cost, after which the vendor is selected and negotiation starts. Why are we going into bids and procurement, you are going out of topic, I was just proving to you Chinese material is used widely, it's just you don't realize it. A new resin developed by my company is made in China, we claim it's European for marketing purposes.

The problem is your tendency to cheat your customers, especially when they are non Chinese. Sure, you can produce high quality stuffs and of course superior steel. But once you win the bid, Chinese businesses begin their questionable business ethic. To increase the profit, Chinese bosses employ cheap subcontractors, slave labor, using cheap materials, delaying time window to keep pressure on customers, asking them for extra money. You believe, in general your non-Chinese customers are stupid.

Giving you an example. The owner of this building "The Square" in Germany, I was working there for a while, had been on the brink of bankruptcy because he made the mistake in buying Chinese steel. Instead of high quality, cheap steel was built in and had to be removed completely when the scandal came out. I can give you more examples how Chinese companies resort to cheating customers in Vietnam. There are endless reports about that.

It is all about business ethic. And yours is LOW.

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa
For your entertainment

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That's definitely my type of entertainment.

Aegis-like destroyer? Not a chance in the next 30 years.
Air defense frigate with 100+ km range missiles? Maybe 10-15 years, who knows then

Btw I'm with the Air Force, Navy is a bit further.

Hey, didn't you say once that you were the third generation of naval officers in your family?

 

[Silent Knight]

Hey, didn't you say once that you were the third generation of naval officers in your family?

I didn't remember saying so

Anyway, great news, the Su-30MK2V fleet has been cleared for normal flight operations. The grounding is ended.

 

[Viet]

Aegis-like destroyer? Not a chance in the next 30 years.
Air defense frigate with 100+ km range missiles? Maybe 10-15 years, who knows then

Btw I'm with the Air Force, Navy is a bit further.

That's a bad news in my opinion. I hope we can build frigate in 5 years, destroyer in 10 years from now. Air defence frigate is a good start, but in 10 or 15 years? Can it be realized a bit earlier? Our opponent will soon field more ships than sharks swimming in the South China Sea. I know there are sceptics why we're need big chips at sea, but I am convinced we need them because to

- show our presence at sea. Be seen is important.

- have fleet defense. Don't we want a blue water navy?

- possess early warning and aerial defense against attacks toward the homeland. That is similar to what Japan has.

 

[Han Patriot]

The problem is your tendency to cheat your customers, especially when they are non Chinese. Sure, you can produce high quality stuffs and of course superior steel. But once you win the bid, Chinese businesses begin their questionable business ethic. To increase the profit, Chinese bosses employ cheap subcontractors, slave labor, using cheap materials, delaying time window to keep pressure on customers, asking them for extra money. You believe, in general your non-Chinese customers are stupid.

Giving you an example. The owner of this building "The Square" in Germany, I was working there for a while, had been on the brink of bankruptcy because he made the mistake in buying Chinese steel. Instead of high quality, cheap steel was built in and had to be removed completely when the scandal came out. I can give you more examples how Chinese companies resort to cheating customers in Vietnam. There are endless reports about that.

It is all about business ethic. And yours is LOW.

I am really sick of repeating myself, China exports 2 trillion worth of goods. There will be bad apples, and its naive to think you get good equipment paying peanuts. Nobody is pointing a gun at you to buy. If by your logic most Chinese businesses are cheats, then how the heck are we still the largest exporter. People in Germany or Vietnam must be pretty dumb.
Slave labor? Last I heard Chinese wages are triple or quadruple Viet wages. Some even cross the border to work as 'slaves'. I really hope for your countries sake, you WAKE UP! You have no idea who you are facing.

 

[Viet]

I am really sick of repeating myself, China exports 2 trillion worth of goods. There will be bad apples, and its naive to think you get good equipment paying peanuts. Nobody is pointing a gun at you to buy. If by your logic most Chinese businesses are cheats, then how the heck are we still the largest exporter. People in Germany or Vietnam must be pretty dumb.
Slave labor? Last I heard Chinese wages are triple or quadruple Viet wages. Some even cross the border to work as 'slaves'. I really hope for your countries sake, you WAKE UP! You have no idea who you are facing.

Let's take Huawei Germany. The company pays slave wages. Including long working hours, command structure top to down, little to no pay for working overtime, discrimination of non-Chinese speakers, worse than with the Japanese.

But we are off topic.