What a fcking persistent bastard you are. I give you that.
I trust them enough to use their reports. I simply don't give credit to your speculations. "Disappearance in Vietnam" equals death? Then how about "Disappearance in Indonesia"? Once again, you fail to produce solid evidence that someone actually DIED in Vietnam while I could provide TONS of sources that indicate indiscriminate killings/abuses of power take place around the clock in Indonesia.
And you call yourself an E-X-P-E-R-T lol. Vietnamese have the right to vote, to protest and to decide their fate. If we kept doing things in the old way, we would have ended up like the Soviet Union long ago. KEY DIFFERENCES there. "Trade freedom for security"? Guess what:Indonesian have neither FREEDOM nor SECURITY. Don't fool yourself: Anti-government protesters in Indonesia got shot while rebels run amok. Moreover, it's funny for us to be called "slave" by someone that annexed lands and enslave other ethics.
Sound impressive, still can't hold a candle to Vietnam operations in Cambodia
Have you guys ever attacked strong points while under attacked by heavy artillery, aircraft and thousands of well armed rebels? Google "Vietnam-Thailand Border Skirmishes" to see how dismal the scope of your "rescue operation" is.
B-E-S-T? As in "has the best chance at failing miserably" time and gain? See this: If you are so good at fighting terrorists, government of other countries would not have to put up TONS of warnings regarding terrorists threat in Indonesia. Logic, mate.
And I'm certain that you just got full retard with that absurd claim. "We are so good at killing terrorists but we simply want to maintain order and shiet so we keep letting the terrorists attack us every now and then". Is that claim sound like it comes from an qualified E-X-P-E-R-T? In counter terrorists, you kill every terrorist as soon as possible, no exception. Any kind of excuses you use to refute that rule is B-U-L-L-S-H-I-E-T, plain and simple. NO ONE like to have terrorist in their country so if you have some terrorists running around then there are 2 possibilities: Either you guys SUCK at counter terrorists or Indonesia DELIBERATELY allow the terrorists to do so. Take your pick.
Speaking about Vietnam War, the only thing that the US stop from using is nuclear weapon. They already threw at us things that would make the average Indonesian wet their pant. Now I'm not claim that the US Armed Forces lack firepower. However, they simply fight the wrong war against the wrong people with the wrong strategy. Nowadays, people often talk about Vietnam War as a proof that the US occasionally go into wars without a clear "exit strategy" in mind. Iraq would be the prime example by the way.
Again, FIELD PERFORMANCE. You feed your soldiers better than us? You give you troops more weapon than us? You train your troops more rigorously than us? Then they must have performed better than us, right?
Sadly, the TNI fails HORRIBLY considering the investment that go into them. Brag about your equipment, brag about your "rescue operation", brag about "giant inter-service exercises",...but that cannot change one fact: Half of the worlds still issues warning to their citizen regarding terrorist risks in Indonesia. That means people from other countries simply don't believe that your army is able to do J-A-C-K-S-H-I-E-T to maintain order across the country.
You call us peasant army? Well our peasant army know not to shoot our unarmed protesters. Could you say the same about your "professional" troops? Oh being trigger happy is a trait of professionalism in the TNI?
"Because it's Russian" is not a plausible excuse to play down risk from AA and SAM. Remember that while we concentrate our army in the north, every division in the VPA possesses organic SAMs. In fact, many bases in the South have deep SAM umbrella to shield important installations near the coast so fat chance you guys could push through without dying in droves.
Oh please, your F-16s are still Block 32+ Standards A/B and C/D. Those aircraft came into being back in 1980s. They are at least 3 decade old. Without upgrades, as if they could carry modern day gears for air suppression duty. That is IF you have something for that kind of duty. Again, don't think, either name the shiet you have or accept the fact that you have nothing at all. Period.
"Better planes and better pilots"? Eh, I don't think people are willing to sell you good stuff if you intend to pay them with palm oil. Just saying. Pilot skills? Have you pilot receive training from people that actually shoot down planes? We went tango with the US Air force for decades, not mention that we are a long time ally of Russia. As if we could lose to you guys in pilot training.
A while ago, you claimed that you guys could leisurely "annihilate every viet base in southern Vietnam" at the drop of a hat but now you just want us to get out of natuna? That seems to be a DRAMATIC drop from your earlier claims, right? Good luck holding up to that kind of dream lol.
- Your ships could not reach us without being engaged by shore missiles, submarine and surface warships
- Your jet could not reach us without being engaged by SAMs, autocannon and of course, VPAF Sukhoi fighter
- Your guys have nothing good for air suppression duty, let alone base-killing weapons.
Conclusion: Indonesian could barely scratch bases in Vietnam. Your chance of dealing critical damages is second to none.
India and Russia are allies in the international stage but they are also competitors in weapon market. It's understandable that Russia might not want to give India the best thing they have but both countries nonetheless cooperate from time to time, namely the Brahmos project which Vietnam already secured a few dozens examples the last I heard. But Vietnam? As if we could endanger Russia position when it comes to exporting weapon. That is why the odds are good that Russia might be willing to offer us quality stuff. In the case they are unable to give us the best thing they have in their service then whatever they give us still could not be as crappy as you Indonesian hope to be. Who would buy from Russia if all they give for their long time allies are crappy stuff? Again, logic.
Once more time, I have to remind you that you are an amateur. The "process of elimination" you come up with has an EXTREMELY low credibility. Without CONCRETE collaborations from TRUE EXPERTS that have better insights, your claim is nothing but TRASH.
P.S: While Russia is willing to sell weapon, the bear seems to prefer hard currencies over palm oil. So I dare SPECULATE that Su-35 for Indonesian would be equal the quality of palm oil you guys send