Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

Bro ,China is suddenly start to claiming others land because they know others cant challenge them .With 4 trillion$ reserve and huge manufacturing capability they will try to reclaim others land and build .Vietnam or India cant behave like that because we dont have resources for that.

A new type of GSL OPV is commissioned .I think that would be your VN choice.

You are right, I just saw your post and sent you a message. Thank you mate.

 

[Soryu]

Ok, so comcom is the best one (as I expected), there are many others, but they just show a few things only or don't post too often. The one that I used as the best second one is facebook.com/GiaoducQP.

Is there any website where I can watch the QPVN Channel live online, meaning the whole thing, all day long?

well, don't know, I don't like com com much, because their troll post in past or some infos are incorrect ...

 

[William Hung]

If they integrate the Extra in a ship, in my opinion its better in an small ship and maybe a ship already set up for that system.

I think the 10 m CEP of Extra is good to hit the larger ships, the mother ships and it has the range for that anyway. The Accular (40 km range) is to hit the small landing boats.

Frankly, I think the system is designed quite well, you have 2 rockets / missiles, one for large targets and one for small targets. The system is very cost effective, cheaper than actual missiles, quite good for an small island.

The final defensive layer is anti tank rockets / missiles, recoilless anti tank guns, VN has plenty of those, so you end up with a 3 layer defensive system and is all based on the islands themselves.

OK just found out the EXTRA rockets are supersonic and can take mid-course guidance.

Yea this system is like a cheaper version of the Bal-E or Bastion-P. Since the rockets are cheaper, the system can spam these launchers all around the island. The video shows a launcher with 4 missile tube.

 

[Carlosa]

OK just found out the EXTRA rockets are supersonic and can take mid-course guidance.

Yea this system is like a cheaper version of the Bal-E or Bastion-P. Since the rockets are cheaper, the system can spam these launchers all around the island. The video shows a launcher with 4 missile tube.

Yes, its a system that is actually well optimized and cost effective to defend an small island. Can't afford (and its not practical anyway) to place a Bal-E or Bastion-P in each island. This system is very well though out. for the Israelis.

 

[Viet]

the russian bear returns. during the visit of communist chief to russia, both vietnam and russia signed 9 important agreements, among them vietnam simplifies the access procedure for russian warships to the cam ranh bay.

russian warships can receive logistic services, repair, maintenance and/or refuelling. navy commanding officers can leave ships and go ashore to rest.

Đơn giản hóa thủ tục cho tàu chiến Nga vào Cam Ranh - DVO - Báo Đất Việt

 

[Viet]

pic of Orbiter 2

 

[Viet]

History

China Military Technology & Dai Viet (1390-1497)
from Sun Laichen (University of Singapore)

http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/docs/wps/wps03_011.pdf

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

History

China Military Technology & Dai Viet (1390-1497)
from Sun Laichen (University of Singapore)

http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/docs/wps/wps03_011.pdf

What is the purpose of posting this?

Are you going to convince people that the invention of the gunpowder should be given the credit to Vietnam?

I am telling you that China's gunpowder invention in fact predated the Ming Dynasty by 300 years, and there is no such thing that China learned the gunpowder from Vietnam during the Ming Dynasty.

 

[Viet]

What is the purpose of posting this?

Are you going to convince people that the invention of the gunpowder should be given the credit to Vietnam?

I am telling you that China's gunpowder invention in fact predated the Ming Dynasty by 300 years, and there is no such thing that China learned the gunpowder from Vietnam during the Ming Dynasty.

the purpose?

have you read the article? it tells Dai Viet military technology in the 14-15 centuries. the wars of Vietnam against imperial China (Ming Dynasty), Champa Kingdom, south and westward military campaigns against local rivals including Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma and Malacca. as for gunpower, it was China, that invented the gunpowder and firearms. Dai Viet imported the technology. That is clear, your credit.

 

[Viet]

the Gepard warships visit Song Tử Tây island.

 

[AViet]

What is the purpose of posting this?

Are you going to convince people that the invention of the gunpowder should be given the credit to Vietnam?

I am telling you that China's gunpowder invention in fact predated the Ming Dynasty by 300 years, and there is no such thing that China learned the gunpowder from Vietnam during the Ming Dynasty.

Can you clarify why was Ho Nguyen Trung (eldest son of Emperor Ho Quy Ly) promoted to Minister of Industry in Ming Court after Ho dynasty in Vietnam was collapsed by invasion of Ming troops and he was brought to China. Was that not a proof that Vietnamese gun technology was somewhat superior than Chinese one at that time, because Ho Nguyen Trung is given credit in Vietnam as great inventor/engineer on building and cannon manufacturing?

 

[Soryu]

Not new pics, but I want to repost it a bit, hope she will come in same time with new Gepard :

This is 105.14 for Indonesia navy, 98.14 has almost same shape and specificity like this, but less in size and weight.

Vietnamese version (2 version) and has Marlin WS gun instead Oerlikon 35mm naval gun :

New Gepard with SSM in VLS:

 

[Carlosa]

Not new pics, but I want to repost it a bit, hope she will come in same time with new Gepard :

This is 105.14 for Indonesia navy, 98.14 has almost same shape and specificity like this, but less in size and weight.

Vietnamese version (2 version) and has Marlin WS gun instead Oerlikon 35mm naval gun :

New Gepard with SSM in VLS:

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The Russian version of the Gepard with the VLS and a full hangar would it had been nice for Vietnam, I wonder how much it is, higher cost is probably the reason why VN didn't go for that, too bad.

 

[Viet]

The Russian version of the Gepard with the VLS and a full hangar would it had been nice for Vietnam, I wonder how much it is, higher cost is probably the reason why VN didn't go for that, too bad.

Probably the Gepard with VLS and a full hangar is new developed version and did not exist when the navy placed the order.


here a report of our well-known vietnam observer Carl Thayer. I add some pics of the Gepards to the article.


Vietnam’s Navy Crosses the Line
Vietnam is stepping up its defense cooperation, particularly on maritime issues, with friends near and far.

By Carl Thayer
December 02, 2014

In mid-November Vietnam dispatched two of its most modern warships on an unprecedented three-nation goodwill visit to Indonesia, Brunei and the Philippines.

On November 5, two Gepard-class guided missile frigates, the Dinh Tien Hoang (HQ 011) and the Ly Thai To(HQ 012) weighed anchor at Cam Ranh Bay and set sail for Jakarta’s Tanjung Priok port crossing the equator (the line) while enroute. The ships embarked a complement of two hundred and twenty-eight officers and sailors under the command of Rear Admiral Nguyen Van Kiem, Deputy Chief of Staff of the Vietnam People’s Army Navy. The frigates also embarked a naval Ka-28 anti-submarine helicopter, a first for the Vietnamese Navy on a goodwill visit.

The dispatch of the Gepard-class frigates is a clear indication that Vietnam has decided to step up its defense diplomacy. The goodwill visit to Southeast Asia is in reciprocation of port visits by warships from Brunei, Indonesia and the Philippines to Vietnam. According to the People’s Army newspaper, the purpose of the visit was to “build trust and enhance friendship, cooperation and mutual understanding and confidence between the People’s Army Navy and the navies of Indonesia, Brunei and the Philippines.”

Earlier in March, Vietnam dispatched a hospital ship (HQ 561) to participate in Exercise Komodo a multilateral naval exercise held under the auspices of the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN) defense ministers and their eight dialogue partners (ADMM Plus) and hosted by Indonesia.

The Vietnamese flotilla arrived at Tanjung Priok on November 12 and paid a three-day friendly visit. Their program included formal welcoming ceremonies and reciprocal dinners, official meetings with their Indonesian Navy hosts, a courtesy call on local authorities, a visit to an Indonesian naval ship, and volleyball and soccer matches between crews. On the morning of their departure the Vietnamese ships participated in a search and rescue exercise with their Indonesian counterparts.

The frigates’ next port of call was Muara, Brunei Darussalam where they arrived on November 19. This marked the first occasion that Vietnamese navy ships visited Brunei. Earlier, in April, the Royal Brunei Navy’s Offshore Patrol Vessel, KDN Daruleshan, made Brunei’s first good will visit to the port of Hai Phong.

In December 2013 Vietnam and Brunei signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on bilateral naval cooperation and later agreed to a naval “hot line.” According to the People’s Army newspaper, the armed forces of Vietnam and Brunei “boosted their cooperation in exchanging visits of delegations at all levels, sharing intelligence and information, training cadets, joint search and rescue and anti-piracy.”

The three-day port call included reciprocal ship visits and sporting events. On November 20, Rear Admiral Kiem paid a courtesy calls on the Chief of the Royal Brunei Navy and the Commander of the Royal Brunei Armed Forces. The Vietnamese frigates departed on November 21.

On November 24, the Vietnamese frigates docked at South Harbor, Manila for their third and final port visit. This marked the first time that Vietnamese warships visited the Philippines since Vietnam was reunified in 1975. The Vietnamese commander invited the diplomatic community to inspect the frigates.

Rear Admiral Kiem paid courtesy calls on the Vice Commander of the Philippine Navy Rear Admiral Caesar Taccad. He later called on the Chief of the Manila Police. As in Indonesia, the Vietnamese warships joined their Philippines counterparts in a search and rescue operation. The frigates departed on November 26.

In October 2010, the armed forces of Vietnam and the Republic of the Philippines signed a MOU on defense cooperation. A year later the two navies signed an MOU on enhancing bilateral relations and sharing information. Relations took another step forward in March 2012 when the parties adopted Standard Operating Procedures on Personnel Interaction in the vicinity of the Northeast Cay Island the Southeast Cay Island.

In March, the two navies established a working group and adopted a defense cooperation program for 2014-15. Three months later Vietnamese military personnel stationed on Southwest Cay hosted a social interaction with their Filipino counterparts on Northeast Cay. The two sides are now working on inaugurating a bilateral defense dialogue at deputy minister level.

Bilateral naval cooperation between the Philippines and Vietnam commenced in 1999 when both parties signed a MOU on defense cooperation. Since then the two navies have carried out coordinated patrols, exchanged information, set up naval “hot lines” and cooperated in dealing with illegal fishing.

During 2014 Vietnam also promoted defense cooperation with other regional states. In August, the People’s Army newspaper revealed that Singapore hosted a Vietnamese navy team in counter-terrorism exercises in the Gulf of Aden. On November 24, Vietnam’s Deputy Defense Minister and Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nguyen Van Hien, hosted a visit by the Chief of the Royal Thai Navy, Admiral Chansuvanich. Admiral Hien suggested Vietnam and Thailand strengthen naval cooperation in such areas as human resource training, logistics and technology.

In addition to the good will visit by Vietnamese frigates to Southeast Asia, Vietnam hosted the French Navy frigate Vendémiaire at Tien Sa port, Da Nang from November 15-19. The visit came under the framework of their bilateral defense cooperation plan for 2014. The French frigate joined Vietnamese naval forces for a search and rescue exercise.

On November 18, Vietnam’s Navy Command held a conference to review domestic construction of Project 1241 Tarantul-class or Molniya corvettes at Ba Son Shipyards under a 2009 contract with the Russian Almaz Central Design Bureau. Two corvettes, HQ 377 and HQ 378, were handed over in June after successfully completing live-fire exercises. The conference decided to continue with the construction of the remaining four corvettes.

On November 20, Thanh Nien newspaper reported that Vietnam would take delivery of its third enhanced Kilo-class submarine, HQ 194 Hai Phong, in early December.

Finally, on November 27, the Russian news agency TASS reported that Vietnam and Russia signed an intergovernmental agreement easing restrictions on the entry of Russian warships into Cam Ranh Bay. This agreement follows a similar understanding negotiated by Russia and Syria for entry into Tartus port. The agreement was signed during the visit of Nguyen Phu Trong, Secretary General of the Vietnam Communist Party (VCP), to Russia. According to a Russian Defense Ministry source, in future Russian warships will only have to notify port authorities immediately prior to their arrival.

The Russia-Vietnam agreement will privilege the Russian navy vis-à-vis all other navies that visit Vietnam. Although Vietnam has invited all navies to utilize the commercial facilities at Cam Ranh Bay, the Russian navy is being given special access due to Russia’s status as a comprehensive strategic partner and assistance in standing up Vietnam’s submarine fleet.

Russia and Vietnam are now discussing an agreement on a logistics center in Cam Ranh Bay for the Russian Navy on terms similar to another agreement between Russia and Syria related to Tartus.

Vietnam’s step up in defense cooperation in 2014 is a result of guidelines issued by the Ministry of National Defense and Politburo resolution no. 22 (April 10, 2013) on international integration (Nghị quyết của Bộ Chính trị về hội nhập quốc tế). Resolution no. 22, part III, lists the following as the third of five courses of action to be undertaken: “Enhance bilateral cooperation activities in defense and security with neighboring countries, ASEAN countries, major powers, traditional friends; gradually deepen and raise the effectiveness of cooperation.”

The Vietnam Navy’s uptick in defense cooperation comes at a propitious time. In December the VCP will convene the tenth plenum of the Central Committee. This meeting will give guidance on major policy documents to be submitted to the twelfth national party congress scheduled for early 2016. It is highly likely the national party congress will endorse an increase in defense spending and give priority to the continued modernization of the navy and air force and international defense cooperation.

 

[Carlosa]

Probably the Gepard with VLS and a full hangar is new developed version and did not exist when the navy placed the order..

Oh no, they had that version, in fact, that was the first version for the Russian navy. Here is what it looks like:
The VLS at the front is the Shtil air defense system.

There is no doubt in my mind that VN decided to go cheap with the Gepards, the fact that they didn't get the anti sub package is almost criminal. They were probably worried about another mistake like with the BPS-500 / KBO 2000 program, so they bought a minimum package.