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[MastanKhan]

dear sir , other than that PAF itself didnt like J-10A due to some reasons :
- Cockpit disliked by pilots (minor issue)
- Maintainence hazard
- immature engine (this issue used to be on thunders too until some time back , now its 95% fixed)
- The separated attached intake weakened the airframe life while flight.. (low airframe life)
- Not allowed for J-10b export at that time

Hi,

J10 B was offered in 2013-14.

Paf had opted for shitt-ier aircraft than the J10 prior to this---now their sh-it don't stink.

 

[帅的一匹]

Hi,

And the thing is---if the Paf is not happy with any chinese EW package---it has options to go to Turkey---Italy---Spain---etc---just like it did for the JF17.

I've got a feel that J10 will come to PAF, let us wait the official news.

If India induct the F16 production line, PAF will go for J10. A clear message to USA that Pakistan had China at his back.

 

[WarFariX]

I've got a feel that J10 will come to PAF, let us wait the official news.

If India induct the F16 production line, PAF will go for J10. A clear message to USA that Pakistan had China at his back.

No to all of ur words

 

[帅的一匹]

Hi,

J10 B was offered in 2013-14.

Paf had opted for shitt-ier aircraft than the J10 prior to this---now their sh-it don't stink.

Bro, have you ever consider the induction of J10b/c of PAF might damper its sales of JF17?

No to all of ur words

Bro you can ignore my words, cause it's my personal willing.

Hi,

J10 B was offered in 2013-14.

Paf had opted for shitt-ier aircraft than the J10 prior to this---now their sh-it don't stink.

Mastan, what you regret is not PAF doesn't induct J10b. It is PAF not choose to joint venture with China in J10 development, cause it has more room for updating(bigger fuselage and nose). PAF was determined to run its domestic fighter jet project since year 2008, so maybe J10 never stand a chance in the first beginning. And very sarcastic news is that FC20 might go to Bangladesh, I never image the first customer is not Pakistan. Period!

Kudos to FC1/JF17 chief designer Mr. yang Wei, he did great jobs to reinforce the umbilical cord between China and Pakistan.

Hi,

J10 B was offered in 2013-14.

Paf had opted for shitt-ier aircraft than the J10 prior to this---now their sh-it don't stink.

Although you live in America, but you still are determined Patriotic. You have my respect.

 

[monitor]

Bro, have you ever consider the induction of J10b/c of PAF might damper its sales of JF17?


Bro you can ignore my words, cause it's my personal willing.


Mastan, what you regret is not PAF doesn't induct J10b. It is PAF not choose to joint venture with China in J10 development, cause it has more room for updating(bigger fuselage and nose). PAF was determined to run its domestic fighter jet project since year 2008, so maybe J10 never stand a chance in the first beginning. And very sarcastic news is that FC20 might go to Bangladesh, I never image the first customer is not Pakistan. Period!

Kudos to FC1/JF17 chief designer Mr. yang Wei, he did great jobs to reinforce the umbilical cord between China and Pakistan.


Although you live in America, but you still are determined Patriotic. You have my respect.

For Pakistan a sanctions free affordable fighter is more important then exporting fighter to other countries. If Paf had the chance to join the development of J-10 it's their fault they failed to joint. Instead of JF-17 if they had producing J-10 under license /TOT would be best. Just imagine 200+ J-10B/C and 100 F-16 in paf Color. But unfortunately bird have fled the cage and paf have to rely on JF-17 and Marcy of US.

 

[rana MRL]

Well F 16 and jf17 saga continue ... PAF brass know well bit I had different thimking ,,, it may be wrong so no offense ... as paf invest in jf 17 rather it should invest in j10 from beginning it might help paf quite early to establish its aviation industry if we proceed it ftom that time ,, then now we have good mumbrr of 4 and 4.5 generation fleet , training on it very mautred , and more important have a strong base for next gen figter program ... and one thing more as china also use j10 as its maintasy fleet if paf chooses j10 at that time we have same line of fleet which will help on any conflict ,R & D combine ,,
For lightweight fighters market is very saturated we can buy offshelf as they are not as costly ......
Mushraf can played it cards well with chinese defence equipment

Any how it is past now wait eagerly jf 17 block 3 as it will be surely gona be beast and class of its own ..... and hope for new projects as kamra aviation city and new nxt gen fighter proceed right on track and

 

[帅的一匹]

Well F 16 and jf17 saga continue ... PAF brass know well bit I had different thimking ,,, it may be wrong so no offense ... as paf invest in jf 17 rather it should invest in j10 from beginning it might help paf quite early to establish its aviation industry if we proceed it ftom that time ,, then now we have good mumbrr of 4 and 4.5 generation fleet , training on it very mautred , and more important have a strong base for next gen figter program ... and one thing more as china also use j10 as its maintasy fleet if paf chooses j10 at that time we have same line of fleet which will help on any conflict ,R & D combine ,,
For lightweight fighters market is very saturated we can buy offshelf as they are not as costly ......
Mushraf can played it cards well with chinese defence equipment

Any how it is past now wait eagerly jf 17 block 3 as it will be surely gona be beast and class of its own ..... and hope for new projects as kamra aviation city and new nxt gen fighter proceed right on track and

We can't say PAF going for JF17 is wrong. Just look at Tejas, JF17 is very successful. We shall not whine about the past, hope PAF will make a good choice in 5th gen fighter.

 

[ziaulislam]

Well F 16 and jf17 saga continue ... PAF brass know well bit I had different thimking ,,, it may be wrong so no offense ... as paf invest in jf 17 rather it should invest in j10 from beginning it might help paf quite early to establish its aviation industry if we proceed it ftom that time ,, then now we have good mumbrr of 4 and 4.5 generation fleet , training on it very mautred , and more important have a strong base for next gen figter program ... and one thing more as china also use j10 as its maintasy fleet if paf chooses j10 at that time we have same line of fleet which will help on any conflict ,R & D combine ,,
For lightweight fighters market is very saturated we can buy offshelf as they are not as costly ......
Mushraf can played it cards well with chinese defence equipment

Any how it is past now wait eagerly jf 17 block 3 as it will be surely gona be beast and class of its own ..... and hope for new projects as kamra aviation city and new nxt gen fighter proceed right on track and

we dont have enough money to make the thunders and production was at minimum during the PPPP era, first 50 were produced on loan and you are talking about J-10
talk about lack of common sense
people should make smart choice when they vote rather than bragging here

Bro, have you ever consider the induction of J10b/c of PAF might damper its sales of JF17?


Bro you can ignore my words, cause it's my personal willing.


Mastan, what you regret is not PAF doesn't induct J10b. It is PAF not choose to joint venture with China in J10 development, cause it has more room for updating(bigger fuselage and nose). PAF was determined to run its domestic fighter jet project since year 2008, so maybe J10 never stand a chance in the first beginning. And very sarcastic news is that FC20 might go to Bangladesh, I never image the first customer is not Pakistan. Period!

Kudos to FC1/JF17 chief designer Mr. yang Wei, he did great jobs to reinforce the umbilical cord between China and Pakistan.


Although you live in America, but you still are determined Patriotic. You have my respect.

it doesn't make much sense to go for J-10 if we cant keep up thunder program
first pioritiy will be the thunder program, if we have money to spare than the J-10, but if we have cheaper F-16(used, co financed) than f-16s
PAF will go for fifth gen Chinese jet

 

[MastanKhan]

Bro, have you ever consider the induction of J10b/c of PAF might damper its sales of JF17?


Bro you can ignore my words, cause it's my personal willing.


Mastan, what you regret is not PAF doesn't induct J10b. It is PAF not choose to joint venture with China in J10 development, cause it has more room for updating(bigger fuselage and nose). PAF was determined to run its domestic fighter jet project since year 2008, so maybe J10 never stand a chance in the first beginning. And very sarcastic news is that FC20 might go to Bangladesh, I never image the first customer is not Pakistan. Period!

Kudos to FC1/JF17 chief designer Mr. yang Wei, he did great jobs to reinforce the umbilical cord between China and Pakistan.


Although you live in America, but you still are determined Patriotic. You have my respect.

Hi,

This drama by the Paf on the sales of the JF17 has confused all these kids and adults on this board---.

These young fools have no clue and understanding that the fighter aircraft needed was for the defense of pakistan---and not for sales---.

And that is where the Paf has deceived the nation---.

It has intentionally not procured the right tactical fighter for that reason even though it had the time and opportunity---.

All that the Paf generals are interested is in future jobs and money---.

If the air defense of pakistan was PARAMOUNT---the right aircraft would have been procured by 2003---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I don't know if the price is reasonable why not we have whole engineering base for it and plane is still pretty ok , in right hands and with right tools

F16 will be a supplimental fleet (Defensive as we move forward)

The reason being the JF17 Thunder will gradually overtake the F16 and plus we might get
proper Next Generation plane with China etc

I look at the F16 as a Support Unit

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

This drama by the Paf on the sales of the JF17 has confused all these kids and adults on this board---.

These young fools have no clue and understanding that the fighter aircraft needed was for the defense of pakistan---and not for sales---.

And that is where the Paf has deceived the nation---.

It has intentionally not procured the right tactical fighter for that reason even though it had the time and opportunity---.

All that the Paf generals are interested is in future jobs and money---.

If the air defense of pakistan was PARAMOUNT---the right aircraft would have been procured by 2003---.

Aircraft were listed followed by evaluations. A number proved to be too expensive. I even know a guy who evaluated the Flanker and Fulcrum in the 1990s....and that did not go in favour, forgetting what the actual reason was. Gripen, Mirage 2000-5 & Tornado were also evaluated. A lot of issues were primarily the lack of funds or certain sensitive American equipment that could not be procured with the aircraft due to the embargo in those days.

 

[帅的一匹]

We have a nice debate here, keep it up!

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The issue that I have with the younger generation and those in the 40's as well---they are all full of excuses---.

They are so stupid----it is beyond comprehension---only a pakistani young kid could be so when it comes to the defence of pakistan.

During the afghan war---an AK47 sold in peshawar for Rs75-100000----. A Toyota pickup truck cost Rs103000---.

One of my distant relatives had the toyota agency and had the business of selling toyota trucks to the taliban during the afghan russian war---.

The U S dollar was around Rs10 to a dollar then---and people bought those AK's---and my relative was ordering those trucks in batches of 400 to 700 a batch---he had the market dominated---.

I just learnt some of the business information on my recent trip---but I knew the cost of the AK47---because Nazim-a-jamiaat Karachi univ Saifuddin went to bara to buy some after Salamullah Tipu shot Hafiz Aslam at KU admin bldng---Saifuddin paid Rs84000 each and bought two---got discount being a Jamati---that was in 1979-80---around that time.

And in mid 80's---the villages in interior sindh were paying the upward of Rs80-100K per AK47 to protect themselves from highway robbers---.

People paid $8-10000 per AK47 to protect their lands and families against rogue elements in the 80's---whereas the true market value of the AK47 was around $250 at that time or maybe $150---.

People were paying close to 500 times the real price of an AK47.

And these S---s come here and tell me that the price of the mirage 2000-5 was too outrageous---.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@MastanKhan old man,

When all is said and done... it is back to drawing board for your good PAF.

When there is only corruption and stolen future all around... let these young ones have moments of escape... people need something to believe in, something to be prooud of...allow them their moments of joyous abandon. Reality is a bitch!

It is not really about the fighter now.. at this stage it is all about the engine.
@wanglaokan with W-series maturing nicely...the only route left for PAC/PAF is China.

IF/When Turks can manufacture their domestic version of Western engine.. will be seen then.

Mr. Musharraf had a good rabbit in hat by going 50/50 between East/West... rabbit got crushed...rest is history.

CAC is working on stealth single engine for some time now...and your PAC/PAF guys are there to learn as well. Hence, we hear all the right sound bites about off-shelf and local 5th Gen fighters...coming like clockwork from PAF topbrass.


Engines, engines... you would be needing at least 1000 engines. Yes, you read it correctly. Only for PAF.. excluding exports... China needs to up the production lines... even they would be needing 1000s of Ws... so yes, on the surface progress appears slow...


JF was sabotaged by your political class more than your 'professional' class. Credit must be given where it is due... fairness.

Anyhow, evolution of this great little bird will continue for at least coming 3 decades... JF is what Mig21 was. This bird is going to fly far and wide..needs only time...

Regarding J10s.... only in case of national threat by indians... two Sqd will be made available... PAF will keep squeezing the '16 lemons for decade plus however.

So it all leaves us with J31 and its morphing into local 5th Gen fighter....

For now PAC must only focus on JF and move to its directed evolution.

PAC/PAF is intimately involved with certain developments in China and this cooperation will bear fruits. Win-Win Sino-Pak Style.

J10C/D will only come when there is threat of indian agression. Your pilots are familiar with the birds... so no worries there!!!!

 

[帅的一匹]

Those who come in need is friends indeed. No matter how elegant F16 is, only J10 will come to PAF 's rescue in real war.