USA ‘s Tomahawk Vs India’s Nirbhay Vs Pakistan’s Babur-Three subsonic cruise missile

[Gessler]

And nirbhay still has to go in production then operations, this is its first test........whereas Babur and TomHawk are already deployed.............and operational......
And Remember Babur has Pinpoint accuracy.

Sir ji...babur does not have anything related to guidance or navigation on it that is not present on Nirbhay or Tomahawk.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Isn't Babur an adaptation of a Chinese missile?

Babur can also "Ping" back.
that is a last signal just before hitting the target. This last ping is relayed to Commanders via Beidou which has Text message service built in.
the Ping consists of Missile's last known Lat long and it confirms if the missile could hit he target or if not another missile can be sent through a different route.
This one capability i guess Nirbhay doesnt have at the moment.

Don't think this is a difficult feature to incorporate.

Where did Pakistan procure magnetic field maps required for Navigation over water? I doubt even china has detailed Magnetic imaging data of Indian ocean.

Is that the reason there has been no Naval version of Babur?

Many missiles actually use GPS for guidance. In case of conflict that's the first thing the US will shut down. That's why Indian missiles are emphasizing on independent guidance (including through the deployment of our own sat constellation)

 

[ares]

No, thats not the reason, the SLCM is in development. But it might not be made public (reason being western backlash and ability to test without making too much waves).

Even with GPS/GLONASS only C/A(Course acquisition) code is available , accuracy of which is 27m or more..which is used by civilians.. is not accurate enough to deliver precision weapon.

The military grade GPS signal or P-code(accuracy 10m and less) is only available US armed forces and it allies.
Also military grade GPS which can decipher precision code is required for receiver which fly above a certain altitude and a certain speed.

Recently Russian offered India a full military code use of its GLONASS satellite system.

 

[Bratva]

The question of what missile is better than what depends on the technology used in them & their capability...whether
they're operational or not depends on when the program started or when the armed forces expressed a need for sure
a weapon.

Going by your logic, MiG-21 should be a better plane than F-35 because the latter isn't operational yet.



Nirbhay already has a X-band SAR seeker, period. Just like Block-IV Tomahawk. Only one here that doesn't have a seeker
yet is the Babur.

Do you seriously believe that X-Band SAR seeker can be fitted in to Nirbhay as it is ??

Instead of being absolute, if you have done some research, you could have known the fallacy of your absolute claim

They're making one.

The new Electronic Support Measure (ESM) seeker, developed as part of the company's new product improvement programme, has been designed to enable the missile to locate and track moving targets.

The ESM seeker incorporates a state-of-the-art processor and antenna to locate and track moving and fixed emitting targets.

That's how much miniaturization you have to done before putting your Antenna in Nirbhay.

@ares

Many possibilities exist like a private company which is front of strategic organizations buying commercially available maps from sat imagery firm like this

Satellite Imagery and Image Processing Services | Satellite Imaging Corp

3D Terrain Visualization, 3D Terrain Flythrough, Digital Terrain Model | Satellite Imaging Corp



As per chinese, Beidou provides mapping capability as well

Putting Precision in Operations: Beidou Satellite Navigation System | The Jamestown Foundation

Spaceflight Now | Breaking News | China's Beidou navigation system gets new satellite

Pakistan to have Functioning Global Navigational Satellite System by June 2013

The company claims that the GPS can provide positioning with accuracy of up to two centimeters. However, it adds that the accuracy can extend up to five millimeters after post-processing.

Pakistan becomes first country to deploy China’s BeiDou GPS network – The Express Tribune

There is already an X band SAR seeker,developed for retrofitting with Nirbhay LACM brother.Thank you,come again.

You can do much better than such silly one liners.

Isn't Babur an adaptation of a Chinese missile?



Don't think this is a difficult feature to incorporate.



Many missiles actually use GPS for guidance. In case of conflict that's the first thing the US will shut down. That's why Indian missiles are emphasizing on independent guidance (including through the deployment of our own sat constellation)

Babur is chinese adaption of which missile ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Isn't Babur an adaptation of a Chinese missile?



Don't think this is a difficult feature to incorporate.



Many missiles actually use GPS for guidance. In case of conflict that's the first thing the US will shut down. That's why Indian missiles are emphasizing on independent guidance (including through the deployment of our own sat constellation)

It is an "adaptation" of which chinese missile? Figment of your imaginery nonsense...


As for the idiots best thumping ... Fire produce nirbhay .. It isn't even operation will probably take several years just to get inducted before comparing it to operation CMs..


@narcon. You idiot the pic you posted is of RAAD ALCM .. And the so called "South African" connection rumour is regarding H series long ranged stand of weapons...


And a 19,00 on Babur is under development .. Even the older version of Babur has a danger of over 750km.. You twat.

 

[Bratva]

On topic, as of Tomahawk v/s Nirbhay v/s Babur, I would rate them as follows, based on their tech & capability -

1) Tomahawk Block-IV
2) Nirbhay
3) Babur

Tomahawk is a highly evolved missile with so many different launch platforms & variants, and is supported by the world's
largest array of reconnaissance & mapping satellites - no other country can feed so much info into a missile than US.
Telemetry & navigation for Tom is the most reliable among all three and this is what really matters for such cruise missiles.
The Block-IV includes SAR seeker for tracking and hitting moving targets (i.e. ships), although they are rarely, if ever, used
in that role.

Nirbhay is the second-best in most things among the three here. Although only the GLCM is tested so far, the array of
launch platforms outlined for this missile is only next to the Tom. In terms of navigation, the Nirb has the advantage of using
a larger number of sources for increased accuracy (GPS, GLONASS, IRNSS - with the latter being further boosted by GAGAN
augmentation in most cases, again the only other CM here after Tom to have augmented navigation system). The Nirb
is supported by an established (and growing) fleet of reconnaissance & various other types of comms, SIGINT/ELINT space
assets. Again, it's the only other one after Tom Block-IV to have a SAR seeker and therefore the ability to hit large moving
targets. As per sources, the NIrbhay's 370daN ( 838lbf / 380kgf ) turbofan engine is slightly more powerful than the 700lbf
engine used by the Tomahawk, although the other specs of the engine are likely to be behind.

Even visually, Nirb has the most aesthetic development in terms of airframe design after Tom, an example would be the conformal inlet which is shared by both Block-IV Tomahawk & Nirbhay.

Babur comes up last in almost everything except for being already operational/starting out first, where it is second. The
weakest part of the whole setup of Babur, quite obviously, is the navigation and it's reliability & availability. All space-based
navigational support for Babur (without which it wouldn't even compare with the missiles as Tom, Nirb or CJ-10) are
provided by China, including the inputs from the Beidou navigation system - who's use is not guaranteed in times of
nuclear conflict. It's also the only one here without the availability of augmented navigation - atleast for the foreseeable future.

Very little details are available (for me) about the Babur's electronics, propulsion etc. Although what is available states that
it's also the only one here without a SAR seeker at present. Airframe-wise it's also the least developed, despite being around
for the longest time after Tomahawk (in this list). Anyone who wants to fill us in about Babur's engine & other stuff may
please go ahead because I'm interested to know.

Once again unsubstantiated claims about nirbhay and full of unsubstantiated claims about Babur.

Babur can do well without Satellite Navigation support. That's why we have TERCOM, DSMAC (with 5 cameras), and frigging iNS in it,, Seriously where your thinking goes when you have to analyze Babur? Atleast you could have consult the Babur database in Missile and strategic thread.

Nirbhay is preety much the same, without seeker rubbish claims

Balkay, Babur has Beidou confirmed support. Nirbhay is yet to substantiate satellite navigation support

A flight test of Babur on 31 May 2012 was stated to have validated integration with the new Strategic Command and Control Support System (SCCSS), stated to be capable of remotely monitoring the missile's flight path in real time