USA builds 30,000 strong Kurdish Army

[Arabi]

Anyway I tell you what's the most logical step for Turkey. Yankees betrayed us and now we will betray them by closing eye to Assad regime for a while longer. Under an agreement we will drive Kurds to hell with Syrian Army after they are defeated we can be enemies again. Sounds dirty and I like it.

How will you betray Americans by siding with Assad who actually betrayed you by opening his lands for Americans to supply Kurds of Afrin with advanced weapons?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

How will you betray Americans by siding with Assad who actually betrayed you by opening his lands for Americans to supply Kurds of Afrin with advanced weapons?

The fear of Kurdish independence next to the Turkish border triumphs everything, I guess. In general Erdogan created a huge mess for his country in Syria.

Still struggling to control the tiny Afrin canton. I doubt that the US is going anywhere when it sees closer ties between Turkey and Russia emerging. Not to mention the Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's in Iran.
BTW that "alliance" (Russia-Turkey as well as Turkey-Iran to an extent if you can even call the alter an alliance) I consider artificial since those two countries and peoples are historical enemies/strong adversaries. Millions of medium or low-income Russian tourists going to Turkey each year (Alanya and Antalya) will not change this.

Strange, less than 2 year ago (or was it 2.5 years ago?) a war almost broke out between Turkey and Russia when that Russian fighter jet was shot down. Not to mention that Russian ambassador being killed in front of rolling cameras.

A person like Putin will never trust Erdogan fully again (I doubt that he ever did) after this not to say that both parties were on the opposite side most of the time in Syria. It's IMO (remember Turkey is still a NATO member) an "marriage" of convenience for the time being.

Economically (EU) Turkey cannot afford to become too close to Russia.

 

[mahatir]

Nothing to do with Arabs other than Kurdish minorities living in tiny Northern Iraq and parts of tiny Northern Syria (Northeastern). Intermarriages do occur between Arabs in Syria and Iraq but they are fairly rare and it is mostly always Arab-Kurdish marriages (Arab males and Kurdish females). However it is frowned upon. More common in Iraq, especially between the Arabized Fayli Kurds (many based in Baghdad) and local Iraqi Arabs. Some Kurdish tribes apparently have Arab origins but whether this is accurate or not, I have no clue about nor do I frankly care about it.

Kurds are Iranic-speaking peoples but they cluster more with people of the region than say Iranic speaking Pashtuns 1500-2000 km away. Just like Indo-European Bengali speakers have nothing to do with Indo-European speaking Icelandic people.

BTW Kurdish opportunists (terrorists in fact) were dealt with by local Arabs in Iraq already and soon they will be dealt with completely in Syria again. As for peaceful Kurds, I am neutral like with most other peoples. Good and bad apples and everything.

Kurds have more in common with Farsis.



Most Arabs (Iraqis and Syrians) would not like to be called Kurds. Rest of the Arabs have hardly any clue about Kurds although we have some 20.000 people (not sure if this is the correct number but there are definitely some but not many) or so (nationals) of Kurdish origin in KSA who often go by the name of Al-Kurdi. Just like Salah ad-Din's (ra) ancestors live in Hijaz and go by the name Al-Ayoubi.

Americans dropped barzani in Iraq because he benefited turkey economically and turkey gained access to cheap oil which helped boast their economy .

The Americans now are on a mission to harm turkey after they used them to destroy Syria . The pkk is a strategic project for usa ; this group was able to survive under harsh condition and has a complex system which allows it to continue functioning without relying on a single person .

Barzani influence was limited to kurds in 2 kurdish provinces in Iraq while the pkk is supported by most kurds in Iraq turkey Syria and Iran . This was proofed during Syrian civil war on pkk at beginning were able to take over kurdish regions without foreign support .

Pkk will be usa strategic partner for the next few decades and they are also supported by Russia to keep turkey contained and assad under Russian mercy .


The Americans have bases in almost all pkk held regions in Syria and this territory will be used to train Turkish kurds in order to strengthen their insurgency inside turkey .

Barzani did not serve the Americans well and that's why they dropped him

Anyway I tell you what's the most logical step for Turkey. Yankees betrayed us and now we will betray them by closing eye to Assad regime for a while longer. Under an agreement we will drive Kurds to hell with Syrian Army after they are defeated we can be enemies again. Sounds dirty and I like it.

Drop regime change project and Syria and stop supporting MB only then Russia would help you in containing kurdish threat in Syria .

Erdogan insistence on supporting Islamic opposition in Syria and Mb in the middle east will only further strengthen pkk in Syria and allow them to consolidate their power with joint russian/American support .

The American and Russia disagreed on everything except pkk both of them see it as a strategic asset against turkey .

 

[TheCamelGuy]

US will use them, they will feel powerful and then they'll be discarded.

Give it a few years and you will see this in Kurdish Syria.

 

[Kamil_baku]

The fear of Kurdish independence next to the Turkish border triumphs everything, I guess. In general Erdogan created a huge mess for his country in Syria.

Still struggling to control the tiny Afrin canton. I doubt that the US is going anywhere when it sees closer ties between Turkey and Russia emerging. Not to mention the Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's in Iran.
BTW that "alliance" (Russia-Turkey as well as Turkey-Iran to an extent if you can even call the alter an alliance) I consider artificial since those two countries and peoples are historical enemies/strong adversaries. Millions of medium or low-income Russian tourists going to Turkey each year (Alanya and Antalya) will not change this.

Strange, less than 2 year ago (or was it 2.5 years ago?) a war almost broke out between Turkey and Russia when that Russian fighter jet was shot down. Not to mention that Russian ambassador being killed in front of rolling cameras.

A person like Putin will never trust Erdogan fully again (I doubt that he ever did) after this not to say that both parties were on the opposite side most of the time in Syria. It's IMO (remember Turkey is still a NATO member) an "marriage" of convenience for the time being.

Economically (EU) Turkey cannot afford to become too close to Russia.

Look who is talking... Saudis is the last people should talk about Middle east, your Wahhabi mentality bring Islam down...

People who wanted to topple Erdogan shoot the aircraft to make Turkish economy down so people go against Erdogan. But, Today, Turkish economy developed 11% last quarter compare to a year before.

I believe Turkey was waiting for its Tanks get updated with laser warning systems and also to mass produce its kamikaze and other surveillance drone to have less martyrs. Turkish president doesnt sell its countries interest to money which you Saudis are good at...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Lots of Armenian origin folks among them. It's an SOP of these scums to shoot at the private parts of their fallen ones!! Turkish army has also found many uncircumcised dead scums. Even Ocalan's parents were orphaned Armenians. This war is basically a revenge on the Kurdish Muslims from all quarters - Israel, Armenia etc...

 

[Dalit]

Anyway I tell you what's the most logical step for Turkey. Yankees betrayed us and now we will betray them by closing eye to Assad regime for a while longer. Under an agreement we will drive Kurds to hell with Syrian Army after they are defeated we can be enemies again. Sounds dirty and I like it.

The Yanks are betraying everyone everywhere. At the end of the day they come crawling back to the table.

The US can never give the Kurds what they seek. Kurdistan is out of the question. The Kurds believe that they can gain independence by allying with the US. This is more one-sided cannon fodder and exploitation. The Kurds will be a mercenary force fighting for the US cause and at the end Uncle Sam will outrightly backstab the Kurds like they have done before.

 

[MMM-E]

As for saving, Arabs would have defeated the Crusaders with or without Salah ad-Din eventually as they did in many previous and later battles.

Salah ad-Din ( Father Kurdicized-Arab - Mother Turk )
Salahaddin's military career began under the tutelage of his uncle Shirkuh, a prominent military commander under the Turkish Zengid Dynasty of the Seljuk Empire

Nur ad-Din ZENGI was a member of the Turkish Zengid Dynasty which ruled the Syrian province of the Seljuk Empire in the 12th Century

The 2nd Crusade led by European kings, Louis VII of France and Conrad III of Germany and after crossing Byzantine territory into Anatolia, both armies were separately defeated by the SELJUK TURKS

In 1148 the Second Crusade arrived in Syria, led by Louis VII of France and Conrad III of Germany
Nur ad-Din's Victories and the Crusaders' losses in Asia Minor
again SELJUK TURKS beat Crusaders in Syria

and Nur ad-Din ZENGI sent Turkish Army led by Salah ad-Din's Uncle SHIRKUH to Egypt to fight against Crusaders

after Nur ad-Din's death in 1174 Salah ad-Din founded Ayyubid Dynasty in Egypt and Under Salah ad Din's command, the Ayyubid Army defeated the Crusaders at the Battle of Hattin in 1187



also BAYBARS KHAN ( Turkic Kipchak origin ) was SULTAN of the Mamluk Dynasty in Egypt
and BAYBARS KHAN was one of the Cmmanders of the Egyptian forces that inflicted a defeat on the Seventh Crusade of King Louis IX of France

and BAYBARS KHAN led the vanguard of the Egyptian army at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 which marked the first substantial defeat of the Mongol Army

I remind You Turkic Mamluk Dynasty ruled Egypt between 1250 and 1517 ( after 1517 Ottoman Empire ruled Egypt around 400 years )

MAMLUKS were Turkish Warriors in Egypt and after 1250 MAMLUKS became SULTAN in Egypt )



so TURKS and Arabs together beat Crusaders and Mongols , not only Arabs

 

[Baybars Han]

No, they did not.

The army was majority Arab and it was fought on Arab lands. Only Salah ad-Din was a Kurd and moreover an Arabized Kurd born on Arab land and of partial Arab ancestry. There was very little Kurdish about him aside from paternal origin. Ironically all his descendants are now Arabs and live in Arab countries (KSA and Jordan). Even their surname is Arabic (Al-Ayoubi) and genetically they must be 99% Arab and 1% Kurd here 800 years after.

As for saving, Arabs would have defeated the Crusaders with or without Salah ad-Din eventually as they did in many previous and later battles.

Just like the Mongols were eventually defeated by Arabs on Arab land. As every other invader, most recently Westerners (France in Algeria) after a heroic uprising against all odds.

Mongols defeated by arabs?

Muhahahah. Kid where do you read history? When did Seyfettin Qutuz or Baybars become an arab?

When did arabs ever defeat crusaders? First, second, third crusade?.

Nearly all of middle east was ruled by Seljuks anyway in first and second crusade era, abbasids was the vassal of Seljuks. First crusade Muslims were defeated, Seljuks did 90% of the fighting anyways, second crusade Seljuk victory and crusaders defeated... Etc etc.

Bro please tell me where you read history I'm just wondering because you seem to live in a parallel world

 

[mangekyo]

Mongols defeated by arabs?

Muhahahah. Kid where do you read history? When did Seyfettin Qutuz or Baybars become an arab?

When did arabs ever defeat crusaders? First, second, third crusade?.

Nearly all of middle east was ruled by Seljuks anyway in first and second crusade era, abbasids was the vassal of Seljuks. First crusade Muslims were defeated, Seljuks did 90% of the fighting anyways, second crusade Seljuk victory and crusaders defeated... Etc etc.

Bro please tell me where you read history I'm just wondering because you seem to live in a parallel world

In case you dont Know. Seljuks were
Iranian Turko-Persian

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Look who is talking... Saudis is the last people should talk about Middle east, your Wahhabi mentality bring Islam down...

People who wanted to topple Erdogan shoot the aircraft to make Turkish economy down so people go against Erdogan. But, Today, Turkish economy developed 11% last quarter compare to a year before.

I believe Turkey was waiting for its Tanks get updated with laser warning systems and also to mass produce its kamikaze and other surveillance drone to have less martyrs. Turkish president doesnt sell its countries interest to money which you Saudis are good at...

My Azeri friend, there is nothing called "Wahhabism". It is an imaginary word that describes Hanbali Muslims (1 of the 4 traditional Sunni Madahib) which not even the majority of the people in KSA follows.

Islam itself originates from modern-day KSA as does "Sunni Islam", "Shia Islam" and Sufism.

Secondly please don't talk about Islam in the context of Arabs and in particular Saudi Arabians since modern-day KSA is the cradle of Islam and 90% of all the most important Islamic/Muslim personalities originate from KSA or are Arabs. Hijazi dynasties (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid) ruled the Islamic world from the very beginning to 1517. Almost 1000 years. 90% of the Islamic conquests were made by the ancestors of modern-day Arabs and in particular Saudi Arabians.

Thirdly, did I mention anything in my post that was not factual? Many Turks and neutral observers agree with me.

As for the West, last time I checked it is Turkey, not KSA, that is a member of NATO. Last time I checked it is Turkey that is almost totally dependent on trade with the West (EU) and not KSA.

Whatever Turkey does, Erdogan should learn from his many mistakes in Syria and elsewhere. Take inspiration of how Arabs in Iraq dealt with the Kurds recently.

Salah ad-Din ( Father Kurdicized-Arab - Mother Turk )
Salahaddin's military career began under the tutelage of his uncle Shirkuh, a prominent military commander under the Turkish Zengid Dynasty of the Seljuk Empire

Nur ad-Din ZENGI was a member of the Turkish Zengid Dynasty which ruled the Syrian province of the Seljuk Empire in the 12th Century

The 2nd Crusade led by European kings, Louis VII of France and Conrad III of Germany and after crossing Byzantine territory into Anatolia, both armies were separately defeated by the SELJUK TURKS

In 1148 the Second Crusade arrived in Syria, led by Louis VII of France and Conrad III of Germany
Nur ad-Din's Victories and the Crusaders' losses in Asia Minor
again SELJUK TURKS beat Crusaders in Syria

and Nur ad-Din ZENGI sent Turkish Army led by Salah ad-Din's Uncle SHIRKUH to Egypt to fight against Crusaders

after Nur ad-Din's death in 1174 Salah ad-Din founded Ayyubid Dynasty in Egypt and Under Salah ad Din's command, the Ayyubid Army defeated the Crusaders at the Battle of Hattin in 1187



also BAYBARS KHAN ( Turkic Kipchak origin ) was SULTAN of the Mamluk Dynasty in Egypt
and BAYBARS KHAN was one of the Cmmanders of the Egyptian forces that inflicted a defeat on the Seventh Crusade of King Louis IX of France

and BAYBARS KHAN led the vanguard of the Egyptian army at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 which marked the first substantial defeat of the Mongol Army

I remind You Turkic Mamluk Dynasty ruled Egypt between 1250 and 1517 ( after 1517 Ottoman Empire ruled Egypt around 400 years )

MAMLUKS were Turkish Warriors in Egypt and after 1250 MAMLUKS became SULTAN in Egypt )



so TURKS and Arabs together beat Crusaders and Mongols , not only Arabs

Mongols defeated by arabs?

Muhahahah. Kid where do you read history? When did Seyfettin Qutuz or Baybars become an arab?

When did arabs ever defeat crusaders? First, second, third crusade?.

Nearly all of middle east was ruled by Seljuks anyway in first and second crusade era, abbasids was the vassal of Seljuks. First crusade Muslims were defeated, Seljuks did 90% of the fighting anyways, second crusade Seljuk victory and crusaders defeated... Etc etc.

Bro please tell me where you read history I'm just wondering because you seem to live in a parallel world

Salah ad-Din had nothing Turkish/Turkic about him. We was of Kurdish and distant Arab ancestry and he was born on Arab land and was an Arabized Kurd. All of his descandnets today are Arabs and they live in modern-day KSA and Jordan.

Most of the soldiers that fought against the Crusaders and Mongols were LOCAL Arabs defending their ancient ancestral lands. A few 1000 Turkic arrivals (that modern-day Anatolians have very little to do with genetically (a well-established fact), is not going to change anything here.

Ibn Taymiyyah described this period in detail and he is the best source out there.

As for Mamluks (they were former slaves of Arabs) and mostly of Caucasian (Circassian and Georgian) origin, not Turkic. They only dominated the military but the Abbasids still retained the religious and bureaucratic power. The armies were a mixture of Arabs, Mamluks (mainly Caucasian) and Turkic people.

Funny how a bunch of foreigners (Anatolians in this case that have little to do with Arabs and real Turkic people) try to portray history differently in regions that are not their own.

As for Erdogan he has screwed up time and time again and I am not going to change my opinion in this regard unless I see the ground realities change. His lack of action created the mess that Turkey is now facing.

Anyway I don't bother with such discussions with foreigners. You can claim that Arabs played no role at all in their own lands. However only complete and utter ignorant idiots would even remotely believe such a claim.

Next time go claim that the Arabic-speaking and Arabized Salah ad-Din had no Arab soldiers when all the battles were fought on Arab land.

BTW my opinion about Kurdish terrorists in Iraq and Syria is well-known so I am not pro-Kurd here or in any other situation unless they are fighting directly against their cousins (Iranian Mullah's).

 

[MMM-E]

In case you dont Know. Seljuks were
Iranian Turko-Persian

Its my History
SELJUKS were 100% of TURKS and nothing with Persians

TURKS ( Ghaznavids,,Seljuks,,Safavid-Afsharid-Qajar Dynasties ) conquered Iran ( Persia) in the 10. century and ruled until 1925

so Seljuks-Ottomans were 100% of TURKS ( Turkish Dynasties ) and ruled Persians,Kurds,Arabs,Jews,etc in the Middle East

 

[mangekyo]

Its my History
SELJUKS were 100% of TURKS and nothing with Persians

TURKS ( Ghaznavids,,Seljuks,,Safavid-Afsharid-Qajar Dynasties ) conquered Iran ( Persia) in the 10. century and ruled until 1925

so Seljuks-Ottomans were 100% of TURKS ( Turkish Dynasties ) and ruled Persians,Kurds,Arabs,Jews,etc in the Middle East

Its not your history at all. Turks who conquered the Persian Empire adopted Persian culture and language. They saw themselves as successors of the Persian empire and not conquerers/invaders. Thats why the Seljuk rulers were titled as "Shahs" which is a Persian term for monarch. Seljuks, Afsharids, Safavids and all the others you mentioned, they were Turko-Persians, which means Persianized Turks. Its not Turkish history its Iranian history.

And why are you calling it Turkish dynasties? They are Iranian dynasties and has nothing to do with Turkey. There were Turks living in Iran long before Turks lived in Turkey, the Rum Empire which was the first real Turkic empire in Turkey were founded by Iranian Turks. I am an Iranian Azeri Turk. Are you going to claim I am Turkish and not Iranian?

Iranian Turks are Persianized Turks. Which Means Turks adopting Persian culture. Turkish Turks are mostly Turkified Anatolians. Which means Anatolians who adopted Turkic culture which was already heavily influenced by Persian culture.

 

[MMM-E]

Salah ad-Din had nothing Turkish/Turkic about him. We was of Kurdish and distant Arab ancestry and he was born on Arab land and was an Arabized Kurd. All of his descandnets today are Arabs and they live in modern-day KSA and Jordan.

Salahaddin's ancestry was in Yemen ( Arab origin ) and migrated to Azerbaijan from Yemen

Salahaddin's Father lived in Azerbaijan and Salahaddin's Mother was a TURK ...
Salahaddin's Mother was Sister of Tokuş ( Emir of HARIM - Turkish Seljuk Empire )

and the names of Salahaddin's brothers Turansah, Tugtekin, Böri, Sahinsah ( Turkish names )

so Salahaddin's Father was Kurdicized-Arab and Salahaddin's Mother was a TURK



and MAMLUKS were soldiers of predominantly Turkic Cuman-Kipchaks (from Crimea) ,Oghuz Turks ,Circassian, Abkhazian,and Georgian slave origin

but TURKS created Mamluk Sultanate in Egypt led by Izz ad-Din Aybak ( 1250-1517 )

and 25 Turkish Sultans ruled Mamluk Sultanate between 1250 and 1389
and Circassian origin Sultans ruled Mamluk Sultanate between 1389 and 1517

and BAYBARS KHAN ( Turkic Kipchak origin ) was SULTAN of the Mamluk Dynasty in Egypt between 1260 and 1277
and BAYBARS KHAN was one of the Commanders of the Egyptian forces that inflicted a defeat on the Seventh Crusade of King Louis IX of France

and BAYBARS KHAN led the vanguard of the Egyptian army at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 which marked the first substantial defeat of the Mongol Army



40.000 Muslims TURKS beat 75.000 Christian Byzantine Empire's soldiers in the Battle of Manzikert 1071

and the year 1071 is considered to be the beginning of the TURKS and that of Islam Anatolia. It is following this date that the Turks fully conquered the whole of Anatolia and established the Anatolian Seljuk state there as a part of the great Seljuk Empire

Christian Europeans started CRUSADES in 1096
and SELJUK TURKS beat Crusaders in Anatolia
also Salahaddin was a soldier in Turkish Army and Turkish origin Nur ad-Din ZENGI sent Turkish Army led by Salah ad-Din's Uncle SHIRKUH to Egypt to fight against Crusaders


so TURKS are soldiers of ALLAH and ISLAM was spread in Anatolia , Balkans , Russia , India and China by the Muslim TURKS

 

[MMM-E]

Its not your history at all. Turks who conquered the Persian Empire adopted Persian culture and language. They saw themselves as successors of the Persian empire and not conquerers/invaders. Thats why the Seljuk rulers were titled as "Shahs" which is a Persian term for monarch. Seljuks, Afsharids, Safavids and all the others you mentioned, they were Turko-Persians, which means Persianized Turks. Its not Turkish history its Iranian history.

And why are you calling it Turkish dynasties? They are Iranian dynasties and has nothing to do with Turkey. There were Turks living in Iran long before Turks lived in Turkey, the Rum Empire which was the first real Turkic empire in Turkey were founded by Iranian Turks. I am an Iranian Azeri Turk. Are you going to claim I am Turkish and not Iranian?

Iranian Turks are Persianized Turks. Which Means Turks adopting Persian culture. Turkish Turks are mostly Turkified Anatolians. Which means Anatolians who adopted Turkic culture which was already heavily influenced by Persian culture.

what about Turko-Persian ?

SELJUK Dynasty was Oghuz TURKS with Turkic blood ..... nothing with Persian blood and TURKS conquered Iran ( Persia ) and Persians were our slaves ... nothing else

-- Seljuk Beg
-- Tughril Beg
-- Chaghri Beg
-- Alp Arslan

In 1071, Alp Arslan fought the battle of Malazgirt and having defeated the Byzantine Emperor's forces in this battle opened the doors of Anatolia to the Muslim Turk

The year 1071 is considered to be the beginning of the Turks and that of Islam Anatolia. It is following this date that the Turks fully conquered the whole of Anatolia and established the Anatolian Seljuk state there as a part of the great Seljuk Empire


so its my Turkish history since 209 BC



The Presidential Seal of Turkey is the official seal of the President of Turkey.
It has a large 16 pointed Sun which symbolizes the Republic of Turkey in the center, which is surrounded by 16 five-pointed stars, symbolizing the 16 Great Turkish Empires in history

and Great Seljuk Empire is one of them

Iranian Turks are Persianized Turks.

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

TURKS are TURKS in Iran and in Iran 40 millions of TURKS are with Turkish culture and language