US warns of ability to take down Chinese artificial islands

[Cybernetics]

That is something to worry about. Not the air defense, but China's ability to repair very quickly. With technology, technique and manpower, thats easy to overcome when infrastructure is destroyed. You are able to build skyscrapers in few months.

Even though I don't think this war is likely, it is an interesting thought experiment nonetheless and important in the realm of posturing and the grand negotiation.

Assets in wars are consumable, even hard/fixed assets. You mentioned "technology, technique and manpower", which roughly aggregates to industrial power. In a war China would be producing military assets in civilian factories. They have large output capacity, for example civilian industries in China produces 60% of the world's cement. That is the premise behind the 军民融合/military-civil integration (still early in its development). Vast majority of nations don't have the ability to shift into a war economy and the requirements for a war economy have changed since WW1/WW2. Something China should thank the Brits and Americans for is the notion of standardization in industrial affairs. An aspect of military-civil integration is standardizing civilian industry for military use. For example China's civilian RORO ships and other naval assets are being standardized to be able to be quickly converted into a military command and support system, all they require are some modules. The hull and decks are strengthened to carry MBTs and helicopters.

The idea isn't to repair the infrastructure in months during war time, but days and hours. It can be done quickly if you are only looking for utility.

30 story hotel fully furnished (electricity, pluming) in 15 days. Smaller buildings takes less than a week. There is a video about a 57 story building being complete in 19 days with a similar technique. This can be even faster if assembly is located along the coast and uses large modules or even finish a few thousand ton structure and be directly lifted/rolled onto the island, similar to the construction method of the HK-Zhuhai tunnel sections. There are mobile cranes for lifting 4000 tons and a shipbased crane that can lift 12,000 tons.

In a war scenario, China expects the runways to be bombed and mined, ships damaged, communications jammed or cut, adversary uses underwater/space/cyber assets, lack of air superiority, and struck with tactical nuclear weapons. Zhurihe training for example tries to account for this. The idea is to survive attrition, mitigate attrition, maintain organization and logistics within this environment.

Clearing and de-mining

Repairing

China would likely have to use floating dry docks to repair its destroyers and aircraft carriers.

In a decade, the islands could have nuclear powered electricity from ships or containerised nuclear power plants.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

That is something to worry about. Not the air defense, but China's ability to repair very quickly. With technology, technique and manpower, thats easy to overcome when infrastructure is destroyed. You are able to build skyscrapers in few months.

LMAO, how about this...we will destroy Guam and I believe that US will repair it quickly, it's certainly a matter of concern for China because US has also the technology, technique and manpower. If you're so delight of the reconstruction, let us destroy US and you can enjoy yourself with the reconstruction of United States...it's a good deal

 

[beijingwalker]

another US 4 stars general says that China is already on par with US military strength in East Asia, by year 2030 US navy will be withdraw to the west pacific. So US really intends to do so, it has to do it now, time is running out for US.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/China-s-military-power-already-on-par-with-US-in-East-Asia

In 10-20 years, China's GDP will be much bigger than the US so is the military budget, by then US will worry more about Guam than the South China Sea.

By 2022, China’s Navy will outnumber the US and in the 2030s will achieve qualitative parity
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/...he-2030s-will-achieve-qualitative-parity.html

Keep it in mind, China is the world biggest shipbuilder, we can replace ships more than any country on this planet, the number of new navy ships commissioned each year in China is bigger than many leading military powers put together.

 

[Viet]

another US 4 stars general says that China is already on par with US military strength in East Asia, by year 2030 US navy will be withdraw to the west pacific. So US really intends to do so, it has to do it now, time is running out for US.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/China-s-military-power-already-on-par-with-US-in-East-Asia

In 10-20 years, China's GDP will be much bigger than the US so is the military budget, by then US will worry more about Guam than the South China Sea.

By 2022, China’s Navy will outnumber the US and in the 2030s will achieve qualitative parity
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/...he-2030s-will-achieve-qualitative-parity.html

Keep it in mind, China is the world biggest shipbuilder, we can replace ships more than any country on this planet, the number of new navy ships commissioned each year in China is bigger than many leading military powers put together.

Your hubris is bigger than your mouth.

China always has the biggest population, in many times has the biggest army, the biggest military assets, but when did China a war? And most importantly have you ever contributed anything positive for other nations in the region?

Who gives you the rights to control the South China Sea?

Do you think we are non existent?

It won’t be a war China vs America but China vs the world.

 

[S10]

The U.S. has the ability destroy every base in Eastern China. Don't doubt it like another poster said.

Is that before or after you lose all of your carriers in the Pacific?

 

[T-Rex]

Your hubris is bigger than your mouth.

China always has the biggest population, in many times has the biggest army, the biggest military assets, but when did China a war? And most importantly have you ever contributed anything positive for other nations in the region?

Who gives you the rights to control the South China Sea?

Do you think we are non existent?

It won’t be a war China vs America but China vs the world.

It's ironic that the term hubris comes from somebody who lives in Vietnam. You would still be under the US dick if it was not for China. So, please tone down your hatred for China. As for a China vs the world in war you'r too intoxicated that's why you think that a few US poodles in the ASEAN form the world.

 

[Viet]

It's ironic that the term hubris comes from somebody who lives in Vietnam. You would still be under the US dick if it was not for China. So, please tone down your hatred for China. As for a China vs the world in war you'r too intoxicated that's why you think that a few US poodles in the ASEAN form the world.

You mean because America is bad we should surrender our territory to Chinese hooligan?

 

[T-Rex]

You mean because America is bad we should surrender our territory to Chinese hooligan?

How is SCS Vietnam's territory? You are delusional.

 

[Three_Kingdoms]

Your hubris is bigger than your mouth.

China always has the biggest population, in many times has the biggest army, the biggest military assets, but when did China a war? And most importantly have you ever contributed anything positive for other nations in the region?

Who gives you the rights to control the South China Sea?

Do you think we are non existent?

It won’t be a war China vs America but China vs the world.

like bluffing is your strongest argument.

what has the tyrannical blood thirsty yankees done to your country as a whole?

The right of controlling the sovereignty of SCS is within our reach on top of historical supports. We have built islands to reinforce our claim. Get it?

In 2017 alone, we have contributed 30% to global economic growth. More than the usa, EU and japan.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...al-Economic-Growth-in-2017-20180228-0031.html

That is just economics.

We also have our contributions to the realms of science, medicine, peace keeping, medical /financial aid, reforestation / desertification, world-class engineering through which we are offering affordable and quality machines and infrastructural constructions to the world.

What has viet communists done positively to other nations in the region?

If there is a war in the region, the viet communists will likely be the first to perish.

The general is reaffirming the capability, not necessarily the intent, of the United States, so there is no need for Chinese members to react volatile-ly to this. Secondly, it has been known for years that the United States possesses the capabilities to wipe out the infrastructure on these islands; whether it would do so given the political and economic repercussions is another question of course.

It is not a matter of whether they have the ability to wipe out the infrastructures. We can also do it likewise.
But making a statement repeatedly like that is plain stupid.

You mean because America is bad we should surrender our territory to Chinese hooligan?

I have yet to hear what the tyrannical war-criminal-like americans have to say about the dirty viet-comm's artificial islands?

 

[Viet]

How is SCS Vietnam's territory? You are delusional.

Vietnam claim bases on blood and tears, taking over the control of the SC sea by defeating the Kingdom of Champa. China claim bases on the story, a Ming eunuch once sailed thru the sea. Shameless chinese clowns.

Before stealing islands from Vietnam, during the period when Vietnam suffering civil war and famine, China did not possess a single piece in the sea.

 

[Verve]

USA has never gone to war with a nuclear armed country, so this talk of blowing China's islands is all hot air.

 

[Viet]

like bluffing is your strongest argument.

what has the tyrannical blood thirsty yankees done to your country as a whole?

The right of controlling the sovereignty of SCS is within our reach on top of historical supports. We have built islands to reinforce our claim. Get it?

In 2017 alone, we have contributed 30% to global economic growth. More than the usa, EU and japan.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...al-Economic-Growth-in-2017-20180228-0031.html

That is just economics.

We also have our contributions to the realms of science, medicine, peace keeping, medical /financial aid, reforestation / desertification, world-class engineering through which we are offering affordable and quality machines and infrastructural constructions to the world.

What has viet communists done positively to other nations in the region?

If there is a war in the region, the viet communists will likely be the first to perish.



It is not a matter of whether they have the ability to wipe out the infrastructures. We can also do it likewise.
But making a statement repeatedly like that is plain stupid.



I have yet to hear what the tyrannical war-criminal-like americans have to say about the dirty viet-comm's artificial islands?

Keep your growth rate and your historical support to yourself! You can’t justify aggression in Asia by citing China support to Africa.

 

[qwerrty]

so many warnings.. lolz. they should first train their sailors to stop crashing with merchant ships

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

we should surrender our territory to Chinese hooligan?

Only the northern half.. you southerners can still enjoy your freedom and independence in the Republic of Vietnam.

imo a win-win

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Your hubris is bigger than your mouth.

China always has the biggest population, in many times has the biggest army, the biggest military assets, but when did China a war? And most importantly have you ever contributed anything positive for other nations in the region?

Who gives you the rights to control the South China Sea?

Do you think we are non existent?

It won’t be a war China vs America but China vs the world.

Of course we contribute positively in this region by maintaining peace and make sure Vietnam stay where it was and make no aggressive on one inch of other nation's land: after the end of Vietnam war and bombed by US to the stone age, the aggressive Vietcong started to Invade Cambodia, you can imagine what will happen without China.

We're exercising our right over South China Sea whether you like it or not and I lol'ed about China vs the world most likely China vs Vietnam 2.0 over SCS, winner will take all islands.