US Warns China on SCS Moves

[chauism]

It was not disputed. It became one when your country thought we will back down. We did not. Whatever you bring to the table against our country's claim to our own EEZ, you'll lose. There's a reason why your government, with all the 2000 year old history to back their claims, still wont go to war with us in the international court. And there's also a reason for the US' Asia Pivot.

You lose.

I would not go to historical claims here because they means squat when territory dispute is involved. If Philippines's claim is indisputable then the title on every major news paper should being reading "Chinese fishmen violating Philipine sovereign space" instead of "stepped into disputed area". China's nine *** line is not yesterdays news, it was created during ROC adminstration althrough it was 11 *** line originally. Since then China's claim over spartly and paracel was relatively uncontested until 1970s when oil was discovered there. In fact Philippine's official claim over those islands did not come until 1978 by PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 1596. However all those really does not matter much now, the rule of UNCLOS does not apply here since soveregnty dispute is involved. What matters now is who is exercising the defacto adminstration over those islands, and then people can start talking from there just like any other territory disputes.

 

[Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ]

I would not go to historical claims here because they means squat when territory dispute is involved. If Philippines's claim is indisputable then the title on every major news paper should being reading "Chinese fishmen violating Philipine sovereign space" instead of "stepped into disputed area". China's nine *** line is not yesterdays news, it was created during ROC adminstration althrough it was 11 *** line originally. Since then China's claim over spartly and paracel was relatively uncontested until 1970s when oil was discovered there. In fact Philippine's official claim over those islands did not come until 1978 by PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 1596. However all those really does not matter much now, the rule of UNCLOS does not apply here since soveregnty dispute is involved. What matters now is who is exercising the defacto adminstration over those islands, and then people can start talking from there just like any other territory disputes.

Then what you were doing when we were patrolling, setting sovereignty, exploiting, pitching flags, building weather station ...v.v... there in 17,18,19th and early 20th Century?

Why Spartly? It seems to be that Philippines has more claim to it than Vietnam. Also since you like to talk about international law and UNLOS yuou should know that you can not claim EEZ as your territory, your territory water is only 12 miles(3 mile in 1970) from your coast. US has problem with the 12 miles radius and refused to sign it. Now tell me are those islands within the 12 miles radius of Vietnam?

The one who mistaken EEZ to "Territorial Waters" is China and its buffalo's tongue. You should know about your "buffalo's tongue claim", it's territory claim.
Our claim is: Paracel, Spartly, EEZ from the coast. EEZ is not "territorial waters" but we have the right to exploit there, got it?

 

[Viet]

Joint cooperation is for those part of Spratlys that is on overlapping EEZs. Sharing it with the other claimants is a good compromise for a peaceful resolution. I'll try to find a link for you because I think I read one before.

Yeh, I am sure Philippines and Vietnam will reach a final deal in a future, where both parties will be happy. How´s about that we repeat the football and basketball matches what they took lately?



Philippines, Vietnam try football diplomacy in Spratlys
8:15 pm | Tuesday, April 10th, 2012 Associated Press

Philippine Navy Flag Officer in Command Vice Admiral Alexander Pama announces that the Philippine and Vietnamese navies have agreed to let their sailors play football and basketball on the disputed Spratly Islands to ease tension and build trust. AP

MANILA, Philippines—Philippine and Vietnamese sailors will play football and basketball matches on disputed West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) islands in a novel way to build trust in a region long feared as Asia’s next flashpoint for armed conflict.

The navies of the two countries have reached an agreement to conduct the “fun games” on two islands occupied by the Philippines and Vietnam, Philippine Navy chief Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said Tuesday.

He said the games were part of a broader agreement he signed in October with his Vietnamese counterpart. While the games are unlikely to make much difference on the ground, the rest of the agreement calls for their navies to undertake confidence-building steps and share more information to allow them to better respond to maritime accidents in the disputed Spratly Islands.

China, which claims virtually the entire West Philippine Sea, is likely to protest such a show of military alliance in the disputed region. The Chinese Embassy in Manila did not immediately respond to an Associated Press request for comment.

Last year, the Philippines and Vietnam separately accused Chinese vessels of intruding into their territorial waters and disrupting oil explorations. China has dismissed the protests, saying Beijing has indisputable sovereignty over those areas on historical grounds.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/32273/philippines-vietnam-try-football-diplomacy-in-spratlys

The three Asian nations, along with Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan, have been locked in a long-simmering rift over West Philippine Sea territories, including the Spratlys — a chain of islands, reefs and coral outcrops believed to be lying atop vast undersea deposits of oil and gas. The Spratly Islands also straddle one of the world’s busiest commercial sealanes.

Faced with China’s formidable military, the Philippines and Vietnam have forged closer ties amid the territorial disputes. Aside from the navy-to-navy accord, the two countries agreed to set up a hotline between their coast guards and maritime police to strengthen their capability to monitor “maritime incidents,” such as piracy, and incursions into their territorial waters.

Under the naval agreement, Pama said Filipino navy men could visit the main Spratly island occupied by their Vietnamese counterparts and vice versa, then play football and basketball, although no date has been set for the friendly games. They can exchange information on a variety of issues and plan how best to respond to accidents such as those involving fishermen, he said.

Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon Jr., who heads a small civilian community on Pag-asa, a Spratly island occupied by Philippine forces, welcomed the warming ties between the Filipinos and the Vietnamese. Vietnamese troops occupy Southwest Cay island several kilometers from Pag-asa island.

“This will lessen the tension and apprehension about a shooting war,” Bito-onon told The AP by telephone. “It’s good if they’ll play games, eat on the same table … than not have a line of communication.”

Despite such diplomacy, the underfunded Philippine military has struggled to build up its capability to patrol and defend its territorial waters, Pama said, adding that the average age of some of the local navy’s ships was 57 years. “Our ships are older than me,” he said.

The United States, a defense-treaty ally, last year provided a refurbished Coast Guard cutter, which was turned into the Philippine navy’s largest and most-modern warship, and would turn over a second such ship next month, Pama said.

The battle over the resource-rich Spratlys has settled into an uneasy standoff since the last fighting, involving China and Vietnam, that killed more than 70 Vietnamese sailors in 1988.

 

[NewCastle2012]

Could we join these matches? The winner takes the island, simple enough?

Yeh, I am sure Philippines and Vietnam will reach a final deal in a future, where both parties will be happy. How´s about that we repeat the football and basketball matches what they took lately?



Philippines, Vietnam try football diplomacy in Spratlys
8:15 pm | Tuesday, April 10th, 2012 Associated Press

Philippine Navy Flag Officer in Command Vice Admiral Alexander Pama announces that the Philippine and Vietnamese navies have agreed to let their sailors play football and basketball on the disputed Spratly Islands to ease tension and build trust. AP

MANILA, Philippines—Philippine and Vietnamese sailors will play football and basketball matches on disputed West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) islands in a novel way to build trust in a region long feared as Asia’s next flashpoint for armed conflict.

The navies of the two countries have reached an agreement to conduct the “fun games” on two islands occupied by the Philippines and Vietnam, Philippine Navy chief Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said Tuesday.

He said the games were part of a broader agreement he signed in October with his Vietnamese counterpart. While the games are unlikely to make much difference on the ground, the rest of the agreement calls for their navies to undertake confidence-building steps and share more information to allow them to better respond to maritime accidents in the disputed Spratly Islands.

China, which claims virtually the entire West Philippine Sea, is likely to protest such a show of military alliance in the disputed region. The Chinese Embassy in Manila did not immediately respond to an Associated Press request for comment.

Last year, the Philippines and Vietnam separately accused Chinese vessels of intruding into their territorial waters and disrupting oil explorations. China has dismissed the protests, saying Beijing has indisputable sovereignty over those areas on historical grounds.

Philippines, Vietnam try football diplomacy in Spratlys | Inquirer Global Nation

The three Asian nations, along with Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan, have been locked in a long-simmering rift over West Philippine Sea territories, including the Spratlys — a chain of islands, reefs and coral outcrops believed to be lying atop vast undersea deposits of oil and gas. The Spratly Islands also straddle one of the world’s busiest commercial sealanes.

Faced with China’s formidable military, the Philippines and Vietnam have forged closer ties amid the territorial disputes. Aside from the navy-to-navy accord, the two countries agreed to set up a hotline between their coast guards and maritime police to strengthen their capability to monitor “maritime incidents,” such as piracy, and incursions into their territorial waters.

Under the naval agreement, Pama said Filipino navy men could visit the main Spratly island occupied by their Vietnamese counterparts and vice versa, then play football and basketball, although no date has been set for the friendly games. They can exchange information on a variety of issues and plan how best to respond to accidents such as those involving fishermen, he said.

Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon Jr., who heads a small civilian community on Pag-asa, a Spratly island occupied by Philippine forces, welcomed the warming ties between the Filipinos and the Vietnamese. Vietnamese troops occupy Southwest Cay island several kilometers from Pag-asa island.

“This will lessen the tension and apprehension about a shooting war,” Bito-onon told The AP by telephone. “It’s good if they’ll play games, eat on the same table … than not have a line of communication.”

Despite such diplomacy, the underfunded Philippine military has struggled to build up its capability to patrol and defend its territorial waters, Pama said, adding that the average age of some of the local navy’s ships was 57 years. “Our ships are older than me,” he said.

The United States, a defense-treaty ally, last year provided a refurbished Coast Guard cutter, which was turned into the Philippine navy’s largest and most-modern warship, and would turn over a second such ship next month, Pama said.

The battle over the resource-rich Spratlys has settled into an uneasy standoff since the last fighting, involving China and Vietnam, that killed more than 70 Vietnamese sailors in 1988.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I would not go to historical claims here because they means squat when territory dispute is involved. If Philippines's claim is indisputable then the title on every major news paper should being reading "Chinese fishmen violating Philipine sovereign space" instead of "stepped into disputed area". China's nine *** line is not yesterdays news, it was created during ROC adminstration althrough it was 11 *** line originally. Since then China's claim over spartly and paracel was relatively uncontested until 1970s when oil was discovered there. In fact Philippine's official claim over those islands did not come until 1978 by PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 1596. However all those really does not matter much now, the rule of UNCLOS does not apply here since soveregnty dispute is involved. What matters now is who is exercising the defacto adminstration over those islands, and then people can start talking from there just like any other territory disputes.

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[Diamond_Gold]

Dear friend,

What are you saying? Do you realize that I can now pounce upon your unwary statement, drag it out of the content of the discussion here, where it is perfectly proper, and mischievously apply it elsewhere?

Do remember that your views are highly regarded, and citing them is a major gain in any discussion.

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