US wants India's direct intervention in the South China Sea row

[The SC]

Do you know from 2016 India will be fielding Scorpion Sub @ 1 Sub per year with AIP total planned 6 + 3.

India is also pursing another project of Subs which will be materializing by 2018-19 with goal of atleast 6 Subs????

In next 5-7 years India is going to add atleast 10 Subs.




Boy you are really going nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only way around to Indian Ocean by Chinese Navy is around Australia without getting overwhelmed by Indian Navy.

Now its Chinese who are going to die in Antarctic Sea not the Indians.

PLAN do not possess any AirCraft Carrier Capacity to ram through Indian Navy Defenses In Strait of Malacca and they cannot get too close to Australia being overwhelmed by NATO Forces led by America.

Please keep out of this its not your cup of tea!!!!!

What about the last question, did it make you go nuts?

Yes detecting a sub is difficult as long it does not announce it's presence by targeting shipping..once it does that, it comes in the cross hair themselves and becomes hunted.

Since the beginning of Naval warfare..Submarines, have never been game changers on their own.

Leasing nuclear sub is super expensive affair, Leasing Akula costed India $1 Billion...and building one costs about $2.5 Billion ..Pakistan Navy's entire budget is just $562 million.

6600 tonne Qing class submarines are not coming, they never were..Pakistani was in negotiation to buy 6 1850 tonnes S-20 Yuan class..a deal was suppose to be finalised last year itself, but is no where in sight yet.

If and when the deal is signed, it will still take 6-7 yrs for first submarine to arrive.

The deal for the 6 Qing class was signed 4 years ago. Maybe there are another 6 S-20 coming too.

India is far more effective in securing its national interests than Pakistan has ever been (thanks to your inept leaders and years of military dictatorships) so India being sucked into anything that hurts her long term interests just isn't going to happen. Not many Indians would call the US an "ally" but there are clearly huge benfits to a relationship with the US- only a fool would deny this.


As far as I recall the US got Pakistan to join the longest ongoing war of modern times (the so-called "war on terror"), remind me how that is going for you....


Challange in what sense? The PN's lifespan would be a matter of days in a conflict with the IN, let's not kid ourselves.

Indeed let's not kid ourselves, maybe the damage before that happends will not be sustainable for the IN

 

[ares]

What about the last question, did it make you go nuts?



The deal for the 6 Qing class was signed 4 years ago. Maybe there are another 6 S-20 coming too.

You are wrong, No deal was signed for Qing class submarines...it was just rumour, published by irresponsible media.

IHS Janes published an article last year, that Pakistan was in negotiation with Chinese for 6 S-20 and deal will be finalised by end of 2014..but December came and went, nothing was finalised.

 

[cirr]

As usual，the US is using India as a tool while at the same time feverishly making under-the-table deals with China。

Especially deals of an economic nature。

The US is smart。

 

[The SC]

You are wrong, No deal was signed for Qing class submarines...it was just rumour, published by irresponsible media.

IHS Janes published an article last year, that Pakistan was in negotiation with Chinese for 6 S-20 and deal will be finalised by end of 2014..but December came and went, nothing was finalised.

That is your wishful thinking taking over reality. google it for the prior prime miniser to Nawaz and find out for yourself. The deal was signed in an official visit to China at the highest levels.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Forget Pakistan,now China is also not in a position to face the Indian Navy in Indian ocean
It's our backyard and only US has enuff power to penetrate it

SCS is a different ball game though

Lol China can decide the fate of Indian navy with our Df-21d positioned in Tibet, we can guaranty that none of Indians warship would dare to dock in Indian ports ever again for refuel and resupply, India will never be the sanctuary for its warships. Some Indians are crying if we do that is equivalent of Nuke declaration.

 

[ares]

That is your wishful thinking taking over reality. google it for the prior prime miniser to Nawaz and find out for yourself. The deal was signed in an official visit to China at the highest levels.

I do not need to google it, I know it for a fact...it is you, who need to get your facts right.

And if you are so sure deal was signed, do tell these details about this supposed deal .

What date was this deal signed on?
What was these cost these 6 submarines?
When will the first submarine arrive?

Back your answer with proof of course.

Lol China can decide the fate of Indian navy with our Df-21d positioned in Tibet, we can guaranty that none of Indians warship would dare to dock in Indian ports ever again for refuel and resupply, India will never be the sanctuary for its warships. Some Indians are crying if we do that is equivalent of Nuke declaration.

Your supposed anti ship ballistic is neither proven..and hardly any one believes that ballistic missile can be guided on 50 meter wide vessels moving and turning at 30 knot..specially since their is no engine to maneuver the missile.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Your supposed anti ship ballistic is neither proven..and hardly any one believes that ballistic missile can be guided on 50 meter wide vessels moving and turning at 30 knot..specially since their is no engine to maneuver the missile.

I don't know how effective the Df-21d will handle the moving target but we all know it was designed to take care of the sea target such warships. But push aside the moving target for now, tell me if your warship need a port call for refuel and resupply or repair and maintenance? when our sat spot your ship anchor to the port... they will certainly be interesting high value target especially your carriers and large destroyers.

 

[manojb]

"Powerful countries routinely violate sovereignties of weaker entities to protect, propagate and promote their ‘national interests’ wherever they feel necessary. Such games are often played with domestic and international partners. Sometimes aims of strategic actors collide; sometimes they coalesce. In either case, the country being used as playground suffers. Rightly has it been said: “When elephants fight, the grass gets crushed; when elephants make love, the grass gets crushed?” - See more at: When neighbors jostle"

 

[ares]

I don't know how effective the Df-21d will handle the moving target but we all know it was designed to take care of the sea target such warships. But push aside the moving target for now, tell me if your warship need a port call for refuel and resupply or repair and maintenance? when our sat spot your ship anchor to the port... they will certainly be interesting high value target especially your carriers and large destroyers.

No they do not all most all warships can be refuelled and supplied at sea

But then again if you are gonna target a vessel, which is sitting at anchor or docked in the harbour..then any ballistic missile can do that.

Hell Indian can destroy your aircraft carrier, while it is harboured in Ningbo.

 

[45'22']

lol one Aircraft is in improvement stage and one Aircraft is not even inducted .. patriotism blind you man

Lol F35 is in testing phase and improvement phase so JF17 is better than Lightning lol

C'mon man we don't compare fighters like that
tell me the specs in which you think thunder is better

May be more then that but whohas the money to buy them empire is going to fall but will take some time .
Rome took some time to collapse .



China is already drilling in indian ocean with UN permission .

Like we are doing in block 127

Lol China can decide the fate of Indian navy with our Df-21d positioned in Tibet, we can guaranty that none of Indians warship would dare to dock in Indian ports ever again for refuel and resupply, India will never be the sanctuary for its warships. Some Indians are crying if we do that is equivalent of Nuke declaration.

All the best lol

 

[rockstar08]

Lol F35 is in testing phase and improvement phase so JF17 is better than Lightning lol

C'mon man we don't compare fighters like that
tell me the specs in which you think thunder is better


Like we are doing in block 127


All the best lol

hahahahha you are just to dumb to compare Teja with F-35 ...
see the point ? you are too blind in your patriotism , comparing a plane which is inducted in numbers and now production for next block in on the way ... and other plane is not even inducted .. get well soon

 

[Tshering22]

so i guess now Indians should understand that US is only using you to counter China ..

It wasn't US that asked China to send its troops against us either in 62, 67, 87 or 2014.

Our mutual issues with China have nothing to do with USA asking us or them to do anything to each other.

for one small example , you are yet to make a Fighter plane and they are creating 4+ , and 5th gen fighters,

We have already made a jet and inducting it which is 4.5 gen. Design phase of AMCA has already commenced.

You know there is something called 'requirement'.

China is developing to counter Japan and USA.

We are developing these things to simply keep a minimum deterrence.

you are just in test phase of creating a CM , and china has CM of range more than 2000KM .. this is just to give you a idea ... make something on your own than we will talk

BrahMos has been with us for a long time. Nirbhay is simply going to complement it. You're free to call BrahMos a Russian gift or whatever word you want to use; the point is, we could and can use it anything we want and make more as we see fit.

Save yourself the equipment comparison, buddy.

Every country cannot match every other country equipment to equipment. Simply because it is not a copying contest.

 

[45'22']

hahahahha you are just to dumb to compare Teja with F-35 ...
see the point ? you are too blind in your patriotism , comparing a plane which is inducted in numbers and now production for next block in on the way ... and other plane is not even inducted .. get well soon

I wasn't comparing
I was giving an example which counters your logic
Forget the patriotism......now tell me where do you think thunder scores better than tejas???
If it's the induction again then don't bother to reply

 

[The SC]

I do not need to google it, I know it for a fact...it is you, who need to get your facts right.

And if you are so sure deal was signed, do tell these details about this supposed deal .

What date was this deal signed on?
What was these cost these 6 submarines?
When will the first submarine arrive?

Back your answer with proof of course.



Your supposed anti ship ballistic is neither proven..and hardly any one believes that ballistic missile can be guided on 50 meter wide vessels moving and turning at 30 knot..specially since their is no engine to maneuver the missile.

I did all that on other threads on PDF. So you should google it, since I won't do it for you again!

 

[rockstar08]

I wasn't comparing
I was giving an example which counters your logic
Forget the patriotism......now tell me where do you think thunder scores better than tejas???
If it's the induction again then don't bother to reply

and you want me to tell you that where JF is superior with a Plane which is not even ready hahahahahha
Salute to your logic ..