US wants India's direct intervention in the South China Sea row

[rockstar08]

Again your back to same fanboyish rhetorics

Now you are maligning US tech
Gosh I have seen many trolls who worship f-16's like god some claim it will eat MKi's alive

Leave f-35 apart kid it has sensor fusion tech which is beyond any country reach atleast for two decades

As for LCA we created almost 14
Without serial production start we tested both in air force and naval modes .its now in series productions rate which will be increase to 16 per year after 2018.
Wheareas have you ever seen a production rate of jf-17 which is pathetic from all standards even your expertise confess that.

ok kid ... no body is saying that Chinese planes are Superior to US . but they are Superior to your Tejas ..
and F-35 is a State of the art fighter but Chinese are not junks , they are working and improving unlike india is just buying things ..

now if you now compare your 70cc Tejas with Jf-17 ... you got be kidding me , one plane is build in numbers around 50+ and we are now build block with with IRF probe and increased Payload , and your teja is yet to be inducted .. i am hearing this blah blah from years now that we making it etc... when its inducted in your IAF than talk , and even if your tejas made it to IAF , we are still ahead , we are working on improved versions ...

even if Jf production rate is slow , but still we created 50+ planes , but tejas where are is teja ?? in sky ? or somewhere in junk yard ? lolz

 

[The SC]

No, INS Chakra is the most sophisticated submarine in south asia..which can stay under water indefinitely, while cruising at 35 knots with the ability to launch 3M-54 Club LACMs..an AIP sub can do measly 3-4 knots at on battery power...soon it will be Indian navy's scorpene class subs..not to forget Indian boomers.

As I said before

In 1971, Pakistan had ten submarines(including 6 midgets subs) and India had none..still Pakistani subs had very minimal effect on Indo-Pak Naval war.

Having 3 moderately advanced and 2 Ageing subs against Indian fleet of 13 conventional, 2 Nuclear subs(Akula and Arihant) does not present much of threat..especially since India has 6 more conventional and 3 nuclear(2 Arihant class and 1 Akula) in the pipeline.

Yes, but detecting a sub is quite difficult, even with a fleet of subs. By the way I was not talking about nuclear subs. Pakistan might just lease one too or build its own (who knows?), it is also getting 6 very big and sophisticated Qing class AIP submarines being produced in China.

 

[Mitro]

I give up in front of your knowledge i can only say LOL

You think india is sitting there to watch China to grow meanwhile we surpassed them for being fastest growing economy this year

India is rising counter balance for Chinese it's size & it's market is equal to size of China with US technological help India can achieve miles together with Japanese & other allies we will encircle China.

China lacks innovations unlike Japanese & western they cannot achieve everything with money.
There fake economic figures and reverse engineering tech will cost them some day.

 

[45'22']

ok kid ... no body is saying that Chinese planes are Superior to US . but they are Superior to your Tejas ..
and F-35 is a State of the art fighter but Chinese are not junks , they are working and improving unlike india is just buying things ..

now if you now compare your 70cc Tejas with Jf-17 ... you got be kidding me , one plane is build in numbers around 50+ and we are now build block with with IRF probe and increased Payload , and your teja is yet to be inducted .. i am hearing this blah blah from years now that we making it etc... when its inducted in your IAF than talk , and even if your tejas made it to IAF , we are still ahead , we are working on improved versions ...

even if Jf production rate is slow , but still we created 50+ planes , but tejas where are is teja ?? in sky ? or somewhere in junk yard ? lolz

Inducting a plane in good numbers doesn't make it potent
Btw..50 isn't a good number
Tejas has everything that thunder has but the reverse is not true
regarding why we haven't seen more Tejas....I.e...because the IAF wants more
IAF has committed 200 mk2

Regarding numbers.....so far 50 thunders has been ordered while 40 tejas has been ordered
Not much difference eh

 

[Raul_AD]

ok kid ... no body is saying that Chinese planes are Superior to US . but they are Superior to your Tejas ..
and F-35 is a State of the art fighter but Chinese are not junks , they are working and improving unlike india is just buying things ..

now if you now compare your 70cc Tejas with Jf-17 ... you got be kidding me , one plane is build in numbers around 50+ and we are now build block with with IRF probe and increased Payload , and your teja is yet to be inducted .. i am hearing this blah blah from years now that we making it etc... when its inducted in your IAF than talk , and even if your tejas made it to IAF , we are still ahead , we are working on improved versions ...

even if Jf production rate is slow , but still we created 50+ planes , but tejas where are is teja ?? in sky ? or somewhere in junk yard ? lolz

Do you know technology wise Tejas Mk-I is at par Gripen-C/D!!! According to you Gripen-C/D is a crap plane????

Squadron formation of Tejas MK-I will be finished is next three years i.e. 40 air craft + 8 Trainer = 48 Air Craft what till not you have produces as JK-17.


Tejas MK-II will be at par Gripen-NG. And all in all in next three years it will be a reatity.

What really Pakistan has to counter these????

 

[The SC]

Do you know what you are saying???? Overwhelming a land mass (Andaman) and air power(SU-30MKI) supported by decent navy by some floating vessels???? Do China has Aircraft Carrier technology at par America????

Bypassed the only bypass is all the encircling Australia!!!!! This is neither feasible nor possible in cold and rough seas of Antarctic.

Which sub is superior???? Nuclear SSN INS Chakra or any Pakistani AIP Sub?????

Boy you are amazing!!!

And the IN is sticking in that rough and cold Antrtica? The air power can be easily overwhelmed and your sailors will get the hell out of that cold place as soon as they can or even before.
Please lets talk just about the vecinity of India where its main naval forces are.

And where the challenge will be at the Bay of Benghal and the Arabian Sea.

What will India be defending from the Indian ocean? the Ocean?

 

[NKVD]

ok kid ... no body is saying that Chinese planes are Superior to US . but they are Superior to your Tejas ..
and F-35 is a State of the art fighter but Chinese are not junks , they are working and improving unlike india is just buying things ..

now if you now compare your 70cc Tejas with Jf-17 ... you got be kidding me , one plane is build in numbers around 50+ and we are now build block with with IRF probe and increased Payload , and your teja is yet to be inducted .. i am hearing this blah blah from years now that we making it etc... when its inducted in your IAF than talk , and even if your tejas made it to IAF , we are still ahead , we are working on improved versions ...

even if Jf production rate is slow , but still we created 50+ planes , but tejas where are is teja ?? in sky ? or somewhere in junk yard ? lolz

Uncle the production rate on jf-17 is pathetically
Eventually you have production line in China as well
We also heard large claims about jf-17 but never seen it operational in actions in recent operations it states how your airforce sees it credibility


As for our capabilities Hal successfully manufacturing mki's with 80 % of items indigenously at 18 aircraft per years including choppers & engines and upgrades for mig 29 as well

We have manufacturing far more complicated items with speed and sustainability

We are just starting production of lCA
Recently GE opened it production line in pune Modi inaugurated it. So you will soon engine technology transfer to India.

 

[Raul_AD]

Yes, but detecting a sub is quite difficult, even with a fleet of subs. By the way I was not talking about nuclear subs. Pakistan might just lease one too or build its own (who knows?), it is also getting 6 very big and sophisticated Qing class AIP submarines being produced in China.

Do you know from 2016 India will be fielding Scorpion Sub @ 1 Sub per year with AIP total planned 6 + 3.

India is also pursing another project of Subs which will be materializing by 2018-19 with goal of atleast 6 Subs????

In next 5-7 years India is going to add atleast 10 Subs.

And the IN is sticking in that rough and cold Antrtica? The air power can be easily overwhelmed and your sailors will get the hell out of that cold place as soon as they can or even before.
Please lets talk just about the vecinity of India where its main naval forces are.

And where the challenge will be at the Bay of Benghal and the Arabian Sea.

What will India be defending from the Indian ocean? the Ocean?

Boy you are really going nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only way around to Indian Ocean by Chinese Navy is around Australia without getting overwhelmed by Indian Navy.

Now its Chinese who are going to die in Antarctic Sea not the Indians.

PLAN do not possess any AirCraft Carrier Capacity to ram through Indian Navy Defenses In Strait of Malacca and they cannot get too close to Australia being overwhelmed by NATO Forces led by America.

Please keep out of this its not your cup of tea!!!!!

 

[NKVD]

I give up in front of your knowledge i can only say LOL

Indication when you're loosing an arguments then act like a intellectual


Ps: I can use technical words if you want but I rather made my post on simple facts So the fan boy's here Can understand reality that they going horribly wrong.
The fact is No one is underestimating China but it also not to be overestimated.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I'll be watching this with keen interest. A big chunk of my Indian friends think that being an American ally will be a sweet ride

US wanted Pakistan in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, we refused and were 'banished'. Apart from Pakistani submariners, none of our servicemen fought for American forces. If India is going to 'possibly' go to war with China on America's dictat is a carefully drafted US strategy to gauge the depth of Indian rhetoric.

India is far more effective in securing its national interests than Pakistan has ever been (thanks to your inept leaders and years of military dictatorships) so India being sucked into anything that hurts her long term interests just isn't going to happen. Not many Indians would call the US an "ally" but there are clearly huge benfits to a relationship with the US- only a fool would deny this.


As far as I recall the US got Pakistan to join the longest ongoing war of modern times (the so-called "war on terror"), remind me how that is going for you....

And Pakistan can challenge the Indian navy in the Indian ocean with its submarines if things come to that, this is an extreme, but you asked.

Challange in what sense? The PN's lifespan would be a matter of days in a conflict with the IN, let's not kid ourselves.

 

[ares]

Yes, but detecting a sub is quite difficult, even with a fleet of subs. By the way I was not talking about nuclear subs. Pakistan might just lease one too or build its own (who knows?), it is also getting 6 very big and sophisticated Qing class AIP submarines being produced in China.

Yes detecting a sub is difficult as long it does not announce it's presence by targeting shipping..once it does that, it comes in the cross hair themselves and becomes hunted.

Since the beginning of Naval warfare..Submarines, have never been game changers on their own.

Leasing nuclear sub is super expensive affair, Leasing Akula costed India $1 Billion...and building one costs about $2.5 Billion ..Pakistan Navy's entire budget is just $562 million.

6600 tonne Qing class submarines are not coming, they never were..Pakistani was in negotiation to buy 6 1850 tonnes S-20 Yuan class..a deal was suppose to be finalised last year itself, but is no where in sight yet.

If and when the deal is signed, it will still take 6-7 yrs for first submarine to arrive.

 

[Mitro]

May be more then that but whohas the money to buy them empire is going to fall but will take some time .
Rome took some time to collapse .

No, actually, according to some Americans, the US is worth over 80 trillion $ in resources...! Go figure.
But , according to the known facts I do agree with you.

China is already drilling in indian ocean with UN permission .

As long as China stays out of IN .....India will not be involved in SCS

 

[rockstar08]

Inducting a plane in good numbers doesn't make it potent
Btw..50 isn't a good number
Tejas has everything that thunder has but the reverse is not true
regarding why we haven't seen more Tejas....I.e...because the IAF wants more
IAF has committed 200 mk2

Regarding numbers.....so far 50 thunders has been ordered while 40 tejas has been ordered
Not much difference eh

lol one Aircraft is in improvement stage and one Aircraft is not even inducted .. patriotism blind you man

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

The US wants India to fight its war with China. Both will get nuked while US and Pakistan will pick up the pieces from the rubble.

 

[rockstar08]

Uncle the production rate on jf-17 is pathetically
Eventually you have production line in China as well
We also heard large claims about jf-17 but never seen it operational in actions in recent operations it states how your airforce sees it credibility


As for our capabilities Hal successfully manufacturing mki's with 80 % of items indigenously at 18 aircraft per years including choppers & engines and upgrades for mig 29 as well

We have manufacturing far more complicated items with speed and sustainability

We are just starting production of lCA
Recently GE opened it production line in pune Modi inaugurated it. So you will soon engine technology transfer to India.

yeah you are making MKi and still taking decade to make a 4th generation fight plane ? hahahahahahahaahh