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US vacates checkposts ahead of SWA operation

Pak civil, military leaders on same page: Kerry

ISLAMABAD: “As of today, it seems to me that the Pakistani leadership, civil and military”, is on the same page, said Senator John Kerry in a select briefing in Islamabad with six senior journalists. He was asked whether the Kerry-Lugar Bill and its subsequent clarification had found acceptance in the power centres of Pakistan.

Senator Kerry was on a brief visit to Pakistan because he was “concerned that a straight forward effort has been misinterpreted”. He said that the US’ statement of clarification on the KLB “could not be clearer”. He cautioned that “we should not play to cheap galleries here”. He aslo said, “if you don’t want the money, say so. We’re not forcing you to take it”.

Senator Kerry said that his meetings with civilian and military leaders had been “very positive”.

The senator was returning to the US embassy from a “brief lunch” with Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Nawaz Sharif. Senator Kerry said that Mr Sharif had asked for “further clarification” on some points but that the senator did not see that as a problem and the meeting was “very positive”.

He used the same words for his meetings with Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani and ISI Director General Gen Shuja Pasha.

One journalist referred to a lead story in a national daily according to which the US had pulled out its forces from Afghanistan border posts near South Waziristan, making it easy for Taliban to cross over into Afghanistan and thus subvert the Pakistan Army’s Operation Rah-e-Nijat. Senator Kerry said he had heard no such thing. When asked if Generals Kayani or Pasha had raised the presumed removal of US border forces as an issue, Senator Kerry categorically said “they had not”.


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Kayani expresses grave concern to Petraeus, Kerry

RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Monday expressed his sheer reservations with the US command over abolishing more than nine check posts of Afghan and coalition army at the Pak-Afghan border on the Afghan side, urging it could help militants to sneak out into Pakistani territory.

General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani expressed these views during his meeting with US Central Command Chief General David Patraeus at the GHQ on Monday. Sources say that host of issues came under discussion like war against terrorism, Pak-Afghan border situation, US-Pak armed forces relations, SWA operation and other bilateral issues in depth. They say the COAS expressed his reservations and concern with General David Petraeus concerning abolition of nine check posts, urging him to take the notice of it immediately.

The US central command chief assured the COAS that he will talk to the NATO commander in Afghanistan on this matter. He lauded the gigantic steps of Pakistan, adding undoubtedly it is playing a role of frontline state in war against militancy and its sacrifices cannot be forgotten.

We are well aware of the difficulties it is facing, he said. Stable Pakistan and Afghanistan is in the sheer interest of the US, he said. Strategic relationship is the key to all thorny solutions, he said.

The CENTCOM chief assured the COAS that the US would keep on supporting Pakistan in war against militancy, adding Pentagon will soon provide latest and sophisticated equipment to Pakistan.

Meanwhile, US Senate Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Senator John Kerry on Monday also held a meeting with Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani.

Senator Kerry, in his meeting with the COAS, exchanged views over the matters of mutual interest, the ISPR statement said.

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"You might want to do some reading about Iraq's history. Iraq has a very rich and diverse history. Look up Baghdad, Basrah, Kufa. They were some of the most modern and enlightened cities in the world."

No doubt and I didn't need your smarmy condescension to know about the cradle of civilization but I believe the British and subsequent petty proxy rulers have played to the religious and ethnic divisions there over the last 150 years in a more societally corrosive impact than in Afghanistan.

"Anyways, we have gone quite a bit off topic."

Oh but we've just started because the real upshot to all of this is yet to come...

"...with Pakistan not cooperating with the US, it would be much more difficult for them to recruit, and that would make them easier for Pakistan to contain."

A.M. and I see this similarly but with different objectives for each other. Both of which differ from YOUR objectives.

I perceive a window of pan-islamist ascendancy with our departure. Flowers and garlands for the victorious jihadists (if you know me you'd know I NEVER use that word-NEVER). Afghanistan will become what we foresee- a taliban state accomodating A.Q. and mobilizing the ummah's young and reckless to continue the march to the Pied Piper's tune.

VERY attractive to be on the winner's side. Meanwhile, I doubt that the PRC picks up the slack from America ceasing to be your #1 purchaser of goods and services. Nor shall they pick up the slack on outright aid.

Not their nature. To that end, you're welcome to review the litany of projects globally to which they've engaged themselves. All mineral related and serving narrow Chinese interests.

So, in victory shall, if I see matters correctly, come a bitter pill for Pakistan. This as you begin to feel the effects of this pan-islamic tide rolling east from Afghanistan.

One of three outcomes- 1.) You fight for your survival under the most brutally stark terms and win, 2.) you fight for your survival under the most brutally stark terms and lose, or 3.) you accomodate the evident prevailing tide and join them.

THEN, it's my hope that we'll be back.

Our return under #1 is predicated on your leadership screaming a big fat mea culpa that can be heard in every corner of the world, standing before your people and LEADING the fight by SHAPING a message entirely different than now, and displaying such recognition of the threat that your troops (those that haven't jumped ship to the ascendant voices) now facing India are ALREADY knee-deep in the fight.

That will take ballz to do but our absence will leave few options and they WILL fight-either the enemy or throw their lot in with them and fight you but either way...

We'll help and I anticipate you'll be grateful for that help.

#2 is simpler. Matters collapse so quickly that we can't intervene in sufficiently rapid manner to influence the outcome but we CAN intervene sufficient to assure that the new rulers of The Greater Islamic Emirate of Afpakistan are crushed remorselessly without nary an altruistic thought of goodwill and with every ounce of vehemence and violence that we might muster.

#3 is the simplist- you see which way the wind is blowing and bow to the inevitable and even accomodate/abet this islamist whirlwind.

Now nobody will have a choice. Not America, Russia, the PRC, India. That's the ugliest but the facts are that we've proven incapable of nation-building as well as coalition warfare in a COIN environ. Our fortunes didn't improve in Iraq until it was essentially down to us. We suffered for the same reasons in Afghanistan.

We've long suffered with our democracy objectives (blah, blah, blah) facing the twin burdens of an externally-directed insurgency from foreign sanctuary and an eminently corrupt Afghan gov't.

We might have defeated one or the other but two have proven, in concert with the endemic issues of state-building as described above, more than we can muster.

The scenario I've outlined, though, changes those dynamics entirely while eliminating all the attendant feel-good altruism that we've so feebly been unable to deliver.

Sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps forward.

Pakistan? Somehow, someway, someday, you'll need to find leaders that communicate effectively, possess both foresight and a sense of ethical fairness, and an abiding respect for the rule of law.

It can't be handed to you. You must find it in yourselves. If so, I believe that you'll fight with all the heart and vigor for which your people are so justly famous.

If you don't you'll be destroyed for becoming our enemy or destroyed by our enemy.

That's the way I see matters these days.
 
US trusts Pakistan government on terror war
Updated at: 0530 PST, Tuesday, October 20, 2009


WASHINGTON: US has said combating war on terrorism is in interest of both Pakistan and United States and it has full trust on Pakistani government and will continue extending support to Pakistan in this connection, Geo news reported Monday.

Briefing media here, the spokesman to US state department Ian Kelley said he was unaware of an agreement to keep some militant factions out of the fight for now, but other U.S. officials said the strategy is not surprising or necessarily worrisome.

Because the faction loyal to Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud poses the most direct threat to the Pakistani government and army, it is the logical first target, U.S. officials briefed on the offensive said.

He said conducting operation in tribal mountainous areas is an uneasy job but Pakistan army successfully carried out military offensive against Taliban in Swat and now is engaged in South Waziristan Agency (SWA), which reflects its determination to toot out terrorism.

The United States, while criticizing the suicide bombing on Iran, mentioned that it is not involved in the attack.

Spokesman Kelly said, “We condemn this act of terrorism and mourn the loss of innocent lives”. "Reports of alleged US involvement are completely false," he added.

US trusts Pakistan government on terror war
 
COAS urges Mehsuds to stand up against militants
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
18 militants, two soldiers among 32 killed in operation Rah-e-Nijat, militants forcibly bringing tribesmen to battlefield

By Muhammad Anis, Irfan Burki & Daud Khattak


ISLAMABAD/WANA/PESHAWAR: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has expressed hope that Mehsud tribes would side with the Pakistan Army in the ongoing operation against terrorists in South Waziristan Agency.

“The objective of the ongoing military operation in South Waziristan is not to target patriotic Mehsud tribes but to get them rid of terrorists and brutal elements,” the Army chief said in his message to Mehsud tribes.

The message written in Urdu and Pashto was provided to the media at a briefing here on Monday. General Kayani called upon Mehsud tribesmen to join hands and stand up against cruel elements for ultimate action against them so that Pakistan’s flag hoist with same pomp and show. He admitted that all tribes, including Mehsuds, have been defending the country voluntarily and are loyal to their motherland.

The Army chief said the targets of operation are Uzbek terrorists and other foreign elements and local militants. Meanwhile, 18 militants, two soldiers and 12 civilians were killed as the Army troops continued with ground and air offensive in the troubled Waziristan region. The troops, making advance after consolidating positions in Kotkai and Shirwangai, reached the Kaskai area located west of Kotkai and north of Kund. Security forces also secured Tor Ghundai, located east of Kotkai and Shishwarm north-east of Kotkai, claimed the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).

Security forces faced stiff resistance in Shirwangai, where a number of militants were killed, claimed the ISPR statement, which added that the troops were fortifying positions in the south and south-west of Razmak. The Army officials also claimed destroying ammunition dumps of the militants.

Communication between militant leaders intercepted by security officials confirmed they had suffered losses in the previous three days. “Bring all the village colleagues in a Datsun pick-up via the Bobar area to the battlefield and leave none of them behind,” said one intercept as one militant leader was speaking on a walkie-talkie set to another in Waziristan. Asking for men and material (weapons), the speaker said: “If the village people are not coming on their own free will, tie them to bring them here. They will die if they do not wage Jihad.”

Another intercept, received by The News stated that huge quantity of arms and ammunition was seized by security forces. “I heard that huge quantity of arms, worth thousands, owned by Mujahideen, has been seized by the hypocrites,” said a caller introducing himself as Hanif. “You’re right, large number of arms and ammunition of our colleagues have been seized by the hypocrites, but we are not going to discuss the same on walkie-talkie,” said the second caller Manzoor.

Earlier, spokesman for the banned Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Azam Tariq confirmed killing of only one militant. Due to inaccessibility and closure of communication lines, the claims by the Taliban and the Army could not be confirmed from independent sources.

According to locals, security forces advanced from Spinkai Raghzai to Mandana and the Tarakai areas to get its control. Sources reported fierce fighting between militants and security forces around the Tarakai area, which has a history of bloody clashes between the British army and the tribesmen.

Clashes have also been reported from the Khaisoor Braga Sama area as security forces advanced from Shakai. No reports were received about the casualties on both sides. Security forces continued advance towards Makeen and Ladha from Razmak side after consolidating control over the Nawazkot area.

Reports about fierce fighting were received between the two sides in parts of Makeen. The sources said security forces were firing heavy artillery guns at Makeen, Ladha and Sam areas from the Razmak Army camp.

Meanwhile, 12 civilians were reportedly killed as a mortar shell hit their vehicle in the Hindi Jawar area of North Waziristan. Locals said the people were fleeing from South Waziristan. Majority of the ill-fated people were women and children.

One source said the vehicle was hit by a stray artillery shell as they crossed South Waziristan and entered Hindi Jawar area of North Waziristan. However, another source said the vehicle was hit by a bomb from an aircraft. There is no comment from the ISPR about the civilian casualties.

Thousands of people continued fleeing to North Waziristan, Dera Ismail Khan, Tank and Bannu as the operation intensified on the third day. Unofficial figures suggested that nearly 200,000 people had so far reached the border cities and the neighbouring North Waziristan.

Meanwhile, briefing the media, along with Minister for Information and Broadcasting Qamar Zaman Kaira, about the progress in the operation Rah-e-Nijat, Director General ISPR Athar Abbas said in last 24 hours, 18 terrorists have been killed, while two soldiers embraced Shahadat and 12 others were injured.

He said one soldier got injured due to rocket fired by militants from Makeen side. Arms and ammunition dumps in the caves between Ladha and Makeen have been destroyed by precision air targeting, he claimed.

The military spokesman said security forces have achieved targets before the given time, securing Tor Ghundai, Shishwarm and Shirwangai areas and are also consolidating their positions around Razmak. “We have achieved significant targets before time and forces are continuing their operation successfully,” Athar said.

Responding to a question, Athar said the time frame set for completion of operation, which started on October 17 morning, could not be disclosed but it would be accomplished before the stipulated time. “We have set some time frame and hopefully, the operation will be completed before stipulated time,” he said.

Answering a question about the Indian hand in South Waziristan, Athar Abbas said that some Indian weapons had also been captured but no truckload of Indian weapons was found which could provide any concrete evidence. However, he said, some hostile agencies were providing financial and material assistance to miscreants in South Waziristan.

He said the Pakistan Army has enough resources and would not ask for outside assistance for carrying out the operation.

Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira said that the option of negotiation was never ruled out but there was no question of any talks with militants at this stage. “Negotiations will be held only when they (terrorists) surrender,” the minister maintained. He said the government took the decision to take action in this area when the writ of the national institutions was challenged by the militants.

He said so for 14,500 families, which left South Waziristan, have been registered which include 11,000 old families and 3,500 new families. He said these internally displaced persons (IDPs) would be provided one-month ration on immediate basis and very soon they would be supplied with the non-food items. He said no camp has been established so far as the IDPs prefer to stay with their relatives. Kaira said sufficient funds have been earmarked to look after the displaced persons.

Replying to a question whether the United States had been asked not to conduct any drone attacks during the operation, the minister said that the government had already condemned the drone attacks which were proving counterproductive. He said Pakistan should be provided the drone technology as Pakistan’s security forces could use this technology in a better way.


COAS urges Mehsuds to stand up against militants
 
insight-out & PakShaheen79:

The two of you are being very short sighted, caught up in a cult of personality - that of Mullah Omar.

Beyond Mullah Omar what are the Taliban? Whatever they were is irrelevant now, but the fact that even in their heyday they were preparing for a cataclysmic confrontation with Iran should still give you clues as to what their eventual goals were.

Since then they have been exposed to, and formed an alliance with, a very caustic, violent and expansionist ideological movement in the form of Al Qaeda.

Afghanistan and Pakistan never had suicide bombings and brutal mutilations and be-headings - now we have all of that, and it has crept into the Pashtun and Punjabi Taliban from the Arab and Central Asians. The Taliban of the 90's is gone.

The only relic of that Taliban is Mullah Omar for the most part, and even his control on the Afghan Taliban (he has no control over the Pakistani Taliban) is eroding. In Bajaur the Afghan Taliban commander brought over a few hundred to a thousand men to fight the PA. Now we have reports of Mullah Sangeen bringing over 1500 men to fight the PA in SW, and other commanders pledging to support the TTP.

Even if they are thwarted from sending significant numbers of men, the fact that they agreed in principle alone is tremendous cause for worry - does this expression of support for the TTP not fly in the face of Mullah Omar's alleged orders to not fight the PA?

If the Taliban take control of any significant part of Afghanistan, they will support the TTP and other extremists in Pakistan, there is no question about that, and that is not something we can afford. If you think putting troops into FATA is a distraction from the Indian border, wait till we have to divert troops and assets towards Afghanistan to take on the sanctuaries the Pakistani extremist groups will find there.

As of now we at least have the US keeping the Taliban busy there.

The time to oppose the US presence in Afghanistan was in 2001 - the situation is too far gone now to salvage anything useful from a US withdrawal, unless it comes about as part of a structured deal between the various factions in Afghanistan, including the Taliban, with an IPKF to ensure compliance.

Having the US stay in Afghanistan, at least until some sort of structured transition to local rule and a reduction in the insurgency can take place, is really the best option out of a lot of bad ones.
 
You know S-2 has been saying on this forum and WAB that 'Pakistan should declare open war on America' wellllllll ............. maybe we should!

Please do not declare "open war" on the US if you want to stay alive. You know what a no holds barred war with the US would entail? Let me not elaborate. Very Zaid Hamid-ish. I'm sure Mush considered this when they told him "If you're not with us, you're against us. We'll bomb you back to the stone age."

But Yes, if Pakistan does feel that it is time to out an end to this, they should stop co-operating in the WoT. After all, it does have its sovereign right. No disrespect meant and sorry to be a lil blunt but i guess that's the harsh reality.
 
I think they just removed the post to avoid a possible international incident - no one wants to engage an army in battle -

Also if the afghan taliban want to come to wazirastan great come on in , we will kill them like mosuitoes
 
as far as vacating the check-posts go, apparantly they will be manned by Nato/Isaf troops with the help of ....dig this....afghan army! - wait till i get up from the floor from laughing!
 
NATO chief welcomes SWA offensive

BRUSSELS: NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Monday welcomed the military offensive against Taliban in South Waziristan, saying it was crucial for regional stability. Rasmussen expressed his “appreciation of the increased efforts by the Pakistani military and the government in the fight against terrorists”. “We really appreciate that very much. It is crucial for stability in the whole region that Pakistan succeeds in its endeavours,” he told reporters at NATO headquarters in Brussels. According to the Inter-Services Public Relations, 60 Taliban had been killed in Operation Rah-e-Nijat in the 24 hours by Sunday. It said five soldiers had also died while 11 had been injured. afp
 
Kayani expresses grave concern to Petraeus, Kerry

RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Monday expressed his sheer reservations with the US command over abolishing more than nine check posts of Afghan and coalition army at the Pak-Afghan border on the Afghan side, urging it could help militants to sneak out into Pakistani territory.

General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani expressed these views during his meeting with US Central Command Chief General David Patraeus at the GHQ on Monday. Sources say that host of issues came under discussion like war against terrorism, Pak-Afghan border situation, US-Pak armed forces relations, SWA operation and other bilateral issues in depth. They say the COAS expressed his reservations and concern with General David Petraeus concerning abolition of nine check posts, urging him to take the notice of it immediately.

The US central command chief assured the COAS that he will talk to the NATO commander in Afghanistan on this matter. He lauded the gigantic steps of Pakistan, adding undoubtedly it is playing a role of frontline state in war against militancy and its sacrifices cannot be forgotten.

We are well aware of the difficulties it is facing, he said. Stable Pakistan and Afghanistan is in the sheer interest of the US, he said. Strategic relationship is the key to all thorny solutions, he said.

The CENTCOM chief assured the COAS that the US would keep on supporting Pakistan in war against militancy, adding Pentagon will soon provide latest and sophisticated equipment to Pakistan.

Meanwhile, US Senate Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Senator John Kerry on Monday also held a meeting with Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani.

Senator Kerry, in his meeting with the COAS, exchanged views over the matters of mutual interest, the ISPR statement said.

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but any way , if that is the case , thn USA is digging its "GRAVE YARD !next to SOVIET RUSSIA,& GREAT BRITON, i guss KARZAI govt with help INDIANS, dont want see , thier popy customers, going down?:angry::sniper:
 
The ANA Crooks are not capable of fighting and well ISAF guys just don't want to fight as they think its a pointless war.ANA should be disbanded.It's a disgrace in the name of Army.It should replaced to Afghan National Clowns.
 
GEO News showed picture fromthat no one was on checkpost on afghani border
 
American conspiracy against Pak Army?
By: Maqbool Malik | Published: October 24, 2009

ISLAMABAD – The intriguing removal of scores of security check posts from the Afghanistan side of Pak-Afghan border has been taken by security circles in Pakistan as mischief of the US Commander of Joint Operations Special Command General Stanley McChrystal.
“This is a part of conspiracy by the US and Afghan commanders to remove scores of strategic security posts ahead of military operation launched by Pakistan against terrorists in South Waziristan Agency,” security experts said.

“This is an intriguing move aimed at different ends. But primary motive of it is to encourage large-scale reinforcements and infiltration which the US commanders in Afghanistan would use to justify their claim that all the key Al-Qaeda and Taliban fugitives were present in FATA,” a leading security analyst told TheNation requesting not to be named.

Pakistan Army leadership also took up the issue of removal of these security check posts with Commander of the USCENTCOM when he called on Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani here last week.

What has surprised many in Pakistan is the silence of the political leadership on this dangerous US move which not only threatens to undermine the Pakistan Army's SWA operations, but also puts more soldiers lives at risk in the fight against militants in this difficult terrain.
Many in defence circles are linking this with the new US Congressional restrictions on military aid to Pakistan, to question what exactly the |US is up to vis a vis the Pakistan military.

However, when contacted the US Embassy spokesman rejected these notions as unfounded and misplaced. “These were mere proposals put up on a website by General McChrystal as part of his review report, and being misused by the media,” US Embassy spokesman Rick Snelsire maintained.

Source: American conspiracy against Pak Army? | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
 
the enemy has shown its intetions quite clearly , its up to us now how we proceed to thwart their evil designs.
 

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