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US vacates checkposts ahead of SWA operation

Saw it.

Doesn't matter. The thoughts of one man.

About Iraq.

Five years ago.

Strawman.

Meanwhile, don't dissemble, stealth. This is about the taliban, remember.

Is this your way of avoiding the verified facts of the U.N. and HRW? You need to read more as you know nothing about your friends and their true behavior inside Afghanistan.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
Are you a child?

One man. Iraq. 2004-2005. Fact.

Understand?

READ the facts about the taliban NOW.

In Afghanistan.

That's what's being discussed.

Understand?

You distract because you cannot face facts that make false your silly and sick beliefs. That's not my fault if they someday get you killed.

I worry for your safety crossing streets now, though, for obvious reasons. Please look both ways and try not to chew gum at the same time.

You might become distracted.

Try to stay away from name-calling as a staff member...

...particularly when you can't spell. Some may think that you're the

"IDOT[sic]":P

Thanks.:usflag:
 
US Betrayal As Pakistan Army Launches Waziristan Offensive

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US and NATO forces have deserted the Paktika province bordering South Waziristan as Pakistan Army launched a military offensive on Saturday.

Highly credible sources have informed BrassTacks that as Pakistan prepared to launch a full-scale offensive in the last few days, the US and NATO queitly pulled out of Afghanistan’s Paktika province that lies on the Afghan side of South Waziristan.

Pakistan had mobilized its armed forces to surround and control exit and entry points for South Waziristan ever since the governor of Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province announced a ground offensive in South Waziristan on 15 June. Following the brazen attacks on Pakistan’s security forces in the last week that included an attack at Pakistan Army’s headquarters, the armed forces decided to launch a full scale military offensive in the early hours of Saturday, pounding targets using fighter jets and helicopter gunships in an effort to nuetralize the threat from militant bases high up on the mountains. The military has succeeded in taking control of the heights and put up outposts.

The terrain in South Waziristan is said to be easier to fight on compared to the Swat valley which is more densely forested.

With troops and artillery advancing towards Mehsud tribe stronghold Makeen from Ramzak in the North, Shakai in the South and Jandola in the East, the only escape route for militants in South Waziristan is towards Afghanistan’s Paktika province in the West, which had seen a rise in numbers of US and NATO soldiers in the last few months. With the surge in numbers of US and NATO troops in Afghan provinces bordering Pakistan, fears were raised that it will push militants into Pakistan as Americans set up outposts and bases in the region.

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With the start of Operation ‘Rah-e-Nijaat’ looming, the decision from the US and NATO forces to vacate this key region allowing militants to escape or seek reinforcements from the Aghan side of the border is nothing short of a betrayal of epic proportions. The US drones which have struck with impunity in the past could have been effectively used to help Pakistan Army’s offensive in South Waziristan – however they also seem to have come to a halt as the offensive started.

The army’s plan to hold the roads as well as main towns including the Mehsud-dominated centres of Ladha, Makeen and Sararogha will be made more difficult due to this American betrayal as militants can now easily disappear into Afghanistan as well as seek reinforcements. Pakistan has presented evidence to the US and Afghanistan in the past of Indian involvement in supporting the TTP militants with funds and weapons through the Paktika province as well as the Indian consultats in Jalalabad and Kandahar.

Leading Pakistani defence analyst Zaid Hamid of BrassTacks informed PKKH that in order to ensure the destruction of militancy in South Waziristan, Pakistan Army must now ensure they cut off the militants’ supply and escape route into Afghanistan by securing the border between Paktika and South Waziristan. At the same time Pakistan must target known militant hideouts and bases inside Afghanistan.

Since US and NATO have been striking targets in Pakistan alleging them to be militant / Al-Qaeda hideouts, Pakistan must also safeguard its national security interests and strike targets inside Afghanistan in order for the operation in South Waziristan to succeed.

US Betrayal As Pakistan Army Launches Waziristan Offensive Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz
 
Hi...
Seriously concerned here but do not want to jump the gun...so lets get the facts straight.
Anyone can post a map here of the location of these bases and the possible route to Waziristan being facilitated by their removal?
Let us break it down to the military implication of this move.
 
A,

I expressed my thoughts here.

I've PRAYED for a military man to step forward. None have. The article behind this is a skewed diatribe that fails to explore any of the practical military considerations and, instead, is written (as usual) to INCITE those who are ill-equipped to provide more than mindless xenophobia.

Eagerly awaiting a considered reply to my concerns...

Thanks.:usflag:
 
US forces leave isolated Afghan base after attack

By TODD PITMAN (AP) – Oct 9, 2009

KABUL — Taliban fighters claimed Friday their flag was flying victoriously over an eastern Afghan village U.S. forces abandoned after suffering casualties in one of the war's deadliest battles for American troops.

The withdrawal this week from mountainous Kamdesh, an isolated hamlet near the Pakistan border, was planned well before the intense Oct. 3 attack left a pair of outposts in ruins and eight American troops dead.

The NATO-led coalition said the move was part of a new strategy outlined months ago by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, to shut down remote difficult-to-defend outposts and redirect forces toward larger population areas to protect more civilians.

The strategy has an inadvertent consequence, however: Every inch of ground the U.S. cedes, emboldened Taliban militants are likely to take and trumpet as a victory over another superpower.

The Afghan war entered its ninth year this week with President Barack Obama's administration pondering how to counter an insurgency growing more powerful by the day.

Obama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, is considering a request from McChrystal for up to 40,000 more troops to boost the 65,000 who are already in the country. Other NATO countries have a further 40,000 here.

Obama is also debating whether to shift the focus to more missile strikes and special operations raids against al-Qaida in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed country where the terrorist movement's leadership is believed to be hiding.

U.S. Master Sgt. Thomas Clementson said coalition forces destroyed what was left of the two outposts in Kamdesh, at least one of which had suffered severe damage and was largely burned down during last weekend's fighting.

The action was likely taken to prevent insurgents from using the base.

Speaking by telephone from an undisclosed location, Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said the U.S. bombarded the outpost with airstrikes after leaving, as well as the local police headquarters.

"This means they are not coming back," Mujahid said. "This is another victory for Taliban. We have control of another district in eastern Afghanistan."

"Right now Kamdesh is under our control, and the white flag of the Taliban is raised above Kamdesh," Mujahid said.

A senior official of the Nuristan provincial government confirmed Taliban forces were in control of the village and Afghan police and soldiers had withdrawn from the district. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Provincial police chief, Gen. Mohammad Qasim Jangulbagh, said the pullout "has had a direct affect on the morale of Afghan forces."

"If Afghan soldiers are losing support, how can they stay there?" he asked. "We need the coalition to send their forces back. We need more police, more soldiers."

The battle marked the largest loss of U.S. life in a single skirmish in more than a year. Besides the eight Americans slain, three Afghan soldiers and an estimated 100 insurgents died, according to NATO.

Insurgents fought their way into the base during the battle, a rare breach of security that underscored how thinly manned the post was.

Clementson said the attack had nothing to do with the timing of the withdrawal, saying the U.S. was "just days" away from pulling out when it began.

In a statement Friday, the NATO-led force said allied troops and equipment were moved "to other locations in eastern Afghanistan in preparation for future assignment to more populated areas."
Interesting to see the paranoia exhibited here though that it's all a plot by America against Pakistan, even though the withdrawal happened long before the PAF announced a timeline (of sorts) for the Waziristan invasion......
 
"...Interesting to see the paranoia exhibited here though that it's all a plot by America against Pakistan..."

More interesting to me is that the same people who exhibit such paranoia will join the good taliban in trumpeting this ersatz victory.

I know this- that undermanned outpost killed a bucketload of taliban for their modest size and we've yet to see a U.S. position good and truly overrun with anything more than corpses of the dead enemy.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
Dear S-2:

It looks as if you are responsible for the oversight of the Torkham Coordination Center, and our highly obedient Generals do not have the intelligence and the ballz to translate your brilliant ideas into action.

Rather than worrying about the obstinacy of our Generals on not accepting your stewardship of SW operation, why don’t you equip Pakistan Army with a few TADIL-J terminals and just beam the Common Operational Picture (COP). This shall minimize the probability of fratricide, besides enabling you selective use of air power. Still better, provide a few JTIDS stations to PA; and a few AH-64D’s.

. After all PA is fighting your war and relieving the pressure on overstretched US/NATO resources for a fraction of the costs you will incur. Its sacrificing soldiers and has turned its own territory into a war zone, virtually free of charge.
 
"After all PA is fighting your war"

Excuse me?

Until last May in SWAT, you weren't even fighting YOUR war.

"...and relieving the pressure on overstretched US/NATO resources for a fraction of the costs you will incur."

Let's see the resounding and permanent victory in THE ISLAMIC EMIRATE OF WAZIRISTAN before you begin to trumpet all the pressure which you've relieved.

Until of late, the abdication of your lands has provided the afghan taliban with the necessary traction to sustain its insurgency.

An insurgency, btw, that would hold none in the absence of such despite the corrosive effect of the Karzai clique.

Thanks for all that help.:rolleyes::usflag:
 
Dear S-2:

It looks as if you are responsible for the oversight of the Torkham Coordination Center, and our highly obedient Generals do not have the intelligence and the ballz to translate your brilliant ideas into action.

Rather than worrying about the obstinacy of our Generals on not accepting your stewardship of SW operation, why don’t you equip Pakistan Army with a few TADIL-J terminals and just beam the Common Operational Picture (COP). This shall minimize the probability of fratricide, besides enabling you selective use of air power. Still better, provide a few JTIDS stations to PA; and a few AH-64D’s.

. After all PA is fighting your war and relieving the pressure on overstretched US/NATO resources for a fraction of the costs you will incur. Its sacrificing soldiers and has turned its own territory into a war zone, virtually free of charge.


You think Americans are idiots? They are supporrting and promoting terrorism while spending billions of $$z on these SO CALLED Talibans. They actually fear that if they provide State-of-the-Art weapons to Pakistan then, their "investment" of the last 9 years would be wasted. Thats why US vacates checkposts ;)

Why Gen Patreus arrived ?? JUST FOR "DO MORE DO MORE"
 
Its USA policy to use throne to pick out the throne then throw away both thrones.
The REAL TARGET IS PAKISTAN, but we are ready for the inturders.
 
"...Interesting to see the paranoia exhibited here though that it's all a plot by America against Pakistan..."

More interesting to me is that the same people who exhibit such paranoia will join the good taliban in trumpeting this ersatz victory.

I know this- that undermanned outpost killed a bucketload of taliban for their modest size and we've yet to see a U.S. position good and truly overrun with anything more than corpses of the dead enemy.

Thanks.:usflag:
I'm sure their delight was palpable. Your views on withdrawal and re-engagement after a suitable stimulus carry more and more weight with me with every passing day.
As regards my own opinion on what should be done depending on the outcome of the current operation I'll be interested to see what position and condition the PAF are in when the snows of winter settle in.
 
"Your views on withdrawal and re-engagement after a suitable stimulus carry more and more weight with me with every passing day."

:D
 
The vacation of the check-posts by the US (if at all its true) denotes two things.

1. Maybe its the other way around, perhaps they have been asked by the PA to allow the TTP dick$ to run off in Afghanistan.

2. Maybe its for the reason that owing to limited resources in Afghanistan; the US Army want Pakistan to clear some of the low level talibaan cr@p for them and have more reasons to send in the drones after these swines and/ or ask US for more military aid to get rid of them.

If this is true, then General Petraeus who is in town in Islamabad would have already been taken to task by the PA. However, I take this report with a pinch of salt knowing the relations between PA and US Army. PA would never carry out an op of this magnitude unless it has the support of the US Army across the border.
 
XYON

“” PA would never carry out an op of this magnitude unless it has the support of the US Army across the border.””

Yes, you are Absolutely Right!!

And why would the US Army support PA from across the border? Is that for the love of our Blue eyes?

The truth is it is the US war we are waging on Pakistani soil.
 
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