Sometimes I cannot believe the stupidity. No wonder the Russians and the Americans love India, as long as there are idiots like you.
No wonder the Russians and the Americans love India, as long as there are idiots like you.......Means your country don't have idiots, thats very gud to know.
Russians and the Americans love India, so do French, British, Swedish, Italian, Israeli, American, Soviet, and many other countries. Thats why we are able to get whatever we want from anywhere; whether it being fighter jets, submarine, chopper, tanks, ships, missiles, or even Nuclear Deal. I wish our romance with these countries carry on for centuries. This is clear indication of our reputation and image at world stage. They trust us and know that we are a responsible country.
If China get the same option, I am very much sure that they will leave copy/pasting the Soviet tech and go for the Western equipment. But as they are not idiot and very brainy, West put arms embargo on them, Russian hesitate to sell them now, and USA........what to say!!!
Don't cover your bad reputation and relations with world with praising so callled self-sufficiency. Everybody knows what and how you are producing and what research you made for that.
Lets see, suppose China and India do not fight a major war for another 20 years (which is a BIG possibility), what are you going to do with these flying junks that didn't even help you develop your own manufacturing industry?
Flying Junks.........you are talking about Russian and US fighter planes, right? Do you really think they are junks?.........If yes, I quit.
These flying junks give you the security.........not only the feeling, but the real security. Any country, even US, will think 10 times before attacking a country who got these junks. You don't need to use your weapons every time. In most of the cases, their possession is enough.
China and India do not fight a major war for another 20 years.......yes this is a BIG possibility.........just because of these kind of junks India have.
Billions of your hard earned Dell call center money just went to the Russians and the Americans that's the only thing you get.
Really?..............We will get the Hardcore military equipments too. And two world superpowers as our ally. What else you want?
Developing our own fighter is more than just military. It contributes to a range of civil aviation, material science, aerospace engineering, mechanical engineering expertise which will benefit the quality of life in the long run.
Hummm..........but we are
smart enough (oh sorry, Idiot enough) that our Defence Ministry formulated the
Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) in 2005. According to the DPP, at least 30% of any order over Rs. 300 crores (~US$70 million) is to be sourced from Indian companies. This would enable Indian companies to gain expertise in defence-related technologies, as well as cycle back a large amount of any order back into the country. Good move...........isn't it?
As you are so much concerned about civil aviation of India.....just read:
Indian aerospace industry opens up
By Siva Govindasamy
India is fast becoming a major global aerospace market, aided by a combination of increasing defence spending, a booming commercial aviation market, and rising technological and manufacturing capabilities among local companies.
Comparisons with China, a major supplier for several OEMs and where AVIC, the state-owned manufacturer had a several-decades head start in manufacturing military and civil aircraft, are almost inevitable.
There will certainly not be the equivalent of Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy Industries or Kawasaki Heavy Industries - which are tier 1 suppliers for the likes of Boeing - any time soon. Even tiny Singapore, through maintenance, repair and overhaul firm ST Aerospace, has a company with a bigger global presence.
However, almost every major Western aerospace firm wants to establish a presence in the country that is one of the largest markets for both civil and military aircraft. Stringent offset requirements in fulfilment of those tenders, a government that is keen to create a manufacturing hub, and indigenous firms with greater freedom to set up partnerships and participate the sector - and establish a niche in the global supply chain along the way - all help to boost this.
"The Indian aerospace industry is one of the fastest-growing aerospace markets in the world with an expanding consumer base comprising airlines, businesses and high-net-worth individuals. The rapid growth of this industry has attracted major global aerospace companies to India. All segments in the aerospace industry, including civil and military aviation and space, are showing a significant level of growth," analysts from PricewaterhouseCoopers said in a 2009 report.
Frost & Sullivan, a research firm, says that since 2005 air traffic has grown by 18%, the cargo market has increased by 14% and overall passenger movement by 20%. Despite the downturn, international and domestic aircraft movements could grow by 13% and 14% respectively over the next seven years. Passenger growth is projected to be 20% domestically and 16% in the international segment, while cargo expansion of 12% and 10% is expected in the domestic and international markets.
Link is here:
Indian aerospace industry opens up
And don't think for a second that India has anything to contribute on the technical side of the PAK FA. If India has enough know how to contribute to a top fighter like that it won't be struggling on an obsolete-before-induction LCA.
What to say.........please help yourself
India to develop 25% of fifth generation fighter
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi January 6, 2010, 0:36 IST
Scrutinising the Sukhoi Corporation’s work on the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) — a project that India will soon sign up to co-develop — gives one an idea of Russia’s size, and its aerospace expertise. During daytime, in Moscow, the Sukhoi Design Bureau conceptualises FGFA components; by 10 pm the drawings are electronically transmitted over 5,000 kilometres to a manufacturing unit in Siberia. Here, at KnAAPO (Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Organisation) — seven time zones away — it is already 5 am next morning. Within a couple of hours, the drawings start being translated into aircraft production.
Having designed over 100 aircraft (including India’s Su-30MKI), built over 10,000 fighters, and with 50 world aviation records to its credit, Sukhoi understandably regards Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) — its partner-to-be in designing the FGFA — as very much the greenhorn.
But the newcomer wants its due. Bangalore-based HAL has negotiated firmly to get a 25 per cent share of design and development work in the FGFA programme. HAL’s work share will include critical software, including the mission computer (the Su-30MKI mission computer is entirely Indian); navigation systems; most of the cockpit displays; the counter measure dispensing (CMD) systems; and modifying Sukhoi’s single-seat prototype into the twin-seat fighter that the Indian Air Force (IAF) wants.
THE FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTER:
Cost of development $8-10 billion
India's requirement 250 fighters
Russia's requirement 250 fighters
Cost per aircraft $100 million
Indian name FGFA
Russian name PAK FA
India will also contribute its expertise in aircraft composites, developed while designing the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). Russia has traditionally built metallic aircraft; just 10 per cent of the Su-30MKI fuselage is titanium and composites. The FGFA’s fuselage, in contrast, will be 25 per cent titanium and 20 per cent composites. Russia’s expertise in titanium structures will be complemented by India’s experience in composites.
With India’s work share almost finalised, the 2007 Russia-India Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) to build the FGFA will soon evolve into a commercial contract between Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and HAL. Ashok Baweja, until recently the chairman of HAL, told Business Standard: “When HAL and UAC agree on terms, they will sign a General Contract. This will include setting up a JV to design the FGFA, and precise details about who will fund what.”
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have to worry about another PAK (FA)
