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US Soldier’s Sacrifice in Afghanistan, and Pakistani media’s silence

The truth is that the doubters are always critical of our efforts, regardless of the good work done by our forces in Afghanistan. The opportunity to depict our forces in a negative light doesn’t go to waste. At the same time, we regret that the incidents like the Koran burning ever took place, and assume full responsibility. But the credit should be given where it is due! This incident above shows our commitment to the people of Afghanistan. It’s for sacrifices like these that we are seeing the situation improve in Afghanistan. It’s for sacrifices like these that the people of Afghanistan are hopeful for the future. These soldiers are literally laying their lives down just to make Afghanistan a better place. They’ve made it possible for the people of Afghanistan to begin experiencing democracy, and pulled them out of the dictatorship of the Taliban. We salute their efforts and sacrifices. Our job is not done yet, and we will continue our mission of bringing peace and stability to the nation.

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command
 
The truth is that the doubters are always critical of our efforts, regardless of the good work done by our forces in Afghanistan. The opportunity to depict our forces in a negative light doesn’t go to waste. At the same time, we regret that the incidents like the Koran burning ever took place, and assume full responsibility. But the credit should be given where it is due! This incident above shows our commitment to the people of Afghanistan. It’s for sacrifices like these that we are seeing the situation improve in Afghanistan. It’s for sacrifices like these that the people of Afghanistan are hopeful for the future. These soldiers are literally laying their lives down just to make Afghanistan a better place. They’ve made it possible for the people of Afghanistan to begin experiencing democracy, and pulled them out of the dictatorship of the Taliban. We salute their efforts and sacrifices. Our job is not done yet, and we will continue our mission of bringing peace and stability to the nation.

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

Do you regret 24 Pakistani soldiers killed by US??? were their sacrifice was't big enough for an apology???
 
he did an honourable thing

Of course he did......

This thread is making me angry just because of the title..... Pakistani media is silence but when did western media acknowledged our sacrifices........ They don't even give a **** that they killed 24 soldiers ...... If western media acknowledge our efforts and we stay silence on their heroic efforts than its a shame.... Right now i can't see purpose of this thread.
 
it used to be more sympathetic


to be honest -- their sympathy can suck my balls. We dont require sympathy. We just need to stand firm and hold our ground, protect our national and regional interests.

bas...
 
RIP to the brave soldier, I know some great American service men and women some I can say are my friends. They just do their duty.
 
the goras are placing more emphasis on ''contractors'' these days

i guess it helps the Pentagon not have to worry about RoEs; all those contractors do is attend ''workshops''


i know some 25-something in Afghanistan (American).....he's also been given this loosely used title ''contractor''


and yes - there have been good stories; it's only emotional people that label all ''others'' as bad. The soldiers are only there because they are following orders like they are supposed to. I do question the wisdom of the men and women in Pentagon though and 10+ years later and with a growing taleban national resistance it seems my skepticism is not exactly dumb-founded
 
... just to make Afghanistan a better place. They’ve made it possible for the people of Afghanistan to begin experiencing democracy, and pulled them out of the dictatorship of the Taliban...

If you really mean it, though i am pretty sure you don't, then start by being democratic yourself & listen to people's voice & leave the area asap... because Afghan people say that:-



Possibility is that you, the slaves, are brainwashed into believing that you are being sacrificed for betterment of Afghan, but your masters have other intentions,,, They are not interested in peace anywhere, they just want to create a buffer zone around israel while making money through wars at the same time,,, You the sheeple are sacrificial animals, willing to lay your lives to protect israel while believing you are doing it for your country... They tried to set you up in USS-Liberty attack as well & to make you believe it was Egyptians but luckily they failed. What makes you think they are not using same scheme this time too.!!! Deserters who fled to Canada told that they were made to shout "Kill Haji, Kill Haji" while stabbing dummies, then you want us to believe this war is NOT against Islam...!!! Now don't tell me "Haji" is some street slang. It's the MOST noble label to have for a Muslim.

To summarize,,, keep your sincere efforts to yourself & leave the area, people were better-off before you set your foot here.We don't need your democracy. No matter how stone-aged, our systems work better for us.
 
Terrorist hmmm......... who is invading a country here ......... Americans or terrorists........... Get your facts straight.
There was need whatsoever for these soldiers to come here and fight coz this is not the fight for their country but for war mongers.And this is war is not a game it is war people get killed
Are Al-Qaeda and Taliban...Peace keeping force....?

I am talking about a soldier, what he do, what he goes through, what he sacrifices, i am not talking about damn bloody politics here.....The soldiers gets a direct order which he obeys whether personally he likes it or not......would you want your soldiers to disobey direct orders........the topic of discussion is SOLDIER.....not whether the WoT is right or wrong.....

So better comprehend the matter of discussion first before asking someone to get his facts straight.
 
ha ha ha look whose saying .....follower of osama.....
u dnt need a brain bcz u r following osama ideology....
so anything out of ur mouth is useless...
Me no is undestanding, your english too much gooding for the I
 
i live in nyc. not too long ago, a pakistani american kid decided to be real stupid, went to pakistan to get terrorist training and went to times square to blow it up. then we find out Osama was hiding in pakistan all along. was pakistani government supporting al qaeda or are they just incompetent?

then i go here and read, "obama kills millions but osama killed noone.". and i have to think to myself, "my God, do most pakistanis think like this?".

then everything becomes crystal clear. you know why we fly our drones and kill pakistani soldiers? i will spin a conspiracy theory of my own. that was no "mistake". of course we will use drones. why provide terrorist soft targets when we can kill them from the sky? children and women killed? well, what do you expect when terrorists have wives and children and use them as human shields. pakistani soldiers getting killed? what do you expect when as soon as US forces calls up a pakistani general what we are about to do, a pakistani terrorist in the pakistani army calls up all his buddies and say, "dude, dont go home tonight, set up an ambush and kill some infidels instead.".

meanwhile giys like Karzai who is only there by the way, because US special forces just cleared out the taleban for him, he is left pointing fingers at america, because he too is unable to do anything in that frankly, basketcase country.

so here we are in 2012 with pakistan gleefully obtaining US dollars and weapons, pissing off the indians. and at the same time, when the common average joe pakistani who love their pashtun brethren and hate america start agitating, pakistani government startmsaying, "hey,mdo you want us to go the way of Iran and become the Islamic Republic and give these nukes to a muslim terroris?"

and america is sitting there sh177ing inher pants thinking "oh sh17, oh f@ck.". and just keep sending drones over there and killing some doofus every now and then ,because, well, why not? what else can we do?

this will go on and then America will leave. then the pakistanis will go back being buddy buddy with taleban.

you see, in the end, it's not america's problem as long as they dont export muslim terrorists to america. we dont have to live there, unfortunately, you guys must.

i have no idea what the future holds for our two countries, but i hope that we can graduate from being frenemies and at the very least, not point nuclear weapons at each other. but we are worried about you.

if your government is incompetent about the osama affair, then it makes us wonder how well you manage your own nukes.
if your government is in league with al qaeda, now we have to start point ICBMs at you.

meanwhile, good soldiers will die, both americans and pakistanis, because in this world, the idiots out number the intelligent. whether we are talking about pakistan or the US.
 
i live in nyc. not too long ago, a pakistani american kid decided to be real stupid, went to pakistan to get terrorist training and went to times square to blow it up. then we find out Osama was hiding in pakistan all along. was pakistani government supporting al qaeda or are they just incompetent?

then i go here and read, "obama kills millions but osama killed noone.". and i have to think to myself, "my God, do most pakistanis think like this?".

then everything becomes crystal clear. you know why we fly our drones and kill pakistani soldiers? i will spin a conspiracy theory of my own. that was no "mistake". of course we will use drones. why provide terrorist soft targets when we can kill them from the sky? children and women killed? well, what do you expect when terrorists have wives and children and use them as human shields. pakistani soldiers getting killed? what do you expect when as soon as US forces calls up a pakistani general what we are about to do, a pakistani terrorist in the pakistani army calls up all his buddies and say, "dude, dont go home tonight, set up an ambush and kill some infidels instead.".

meanwhile giys like Karzai who is only there by the way, because US special forces just cleared out the taleban for him, he is left pointing fingers at america, because he too is unable to do anything in that frankly, basketcase country.

so here we are in 2012 with pakistan gleefully obtaining US dollars and weapons, pissing off the indians. and at the same time, when the common average joe pakistani who love their pashtun brethren and hate america start agitating, pakistani government startmsaying, "hey,mdo you want us to go the way of Iran and become the Islamic Republic and give these nukes to a muslim terroris?"

and america is sitting there sh177ing inher pants thinking "oh sh17, oh f@ck.". and just keep sending drones over there and killing some doofus every now and then ,because, well, why not? what else can we do?

this will go on and then America will leave. then the pakistanis will go back being buddy buddy with taleban.

you see, in the end, it's not america's problem as long as they dont export muslim terrorists to america. we dont have to live there, unfortunately, you guys must.

i have no idea what the future holds for our two countries, but i hope that we can graduate from being frenemies and at the very least, not point nuclear weapons at each other. but we are worried about you.

if your government is incompetent about the osama affair, then it makes us wonder how well you manage your own nukes.
if your government is in league with al qaeda, now we have to start point ICBMs at you.

meanwhile, good soldiers will die, both americans and pakistanis, because in this world, the idiots out number the intelligent. whether we are talking about pakistan or the US.
No,
Taliban is real threat for Pakistan than the India. They are killing our army,civilian and Fc. NATO is failed to stop the Taliban coming into Pakistan and killing our army.
U.S.A also denied drone technology to Pakistan.
We have their 3.5 million refugee. Some of them are also creating problem.
These are cruel people, hides in civilian area, comes in group and kills people.
No body likes bloody Osama.
Also Pak afghan is the longest border, 100,000+ our troops are there.
We lost 60+ Billion in war on terror.
These expenditures are creating problem for the economy.
Also Sawat, Wazirastan operation where millions of our people became refugee in our own country.
 
The actions of this American soldier are to be admired. We should salute him. RIP. Another victim of (Israel) AIPAC infested American regime


However whilst all of you go off at a tangent and off topic the thread asks why is this not given more media time in Pakistan. My assertion is that the AIPAC infested regime has created a situation where it would appear American lives are worth more than Muslims. In support I invite comments on the following:


Of course there are good Americans. There are good and bad everywhere. RIP this soldier with humanity. But the reason for the silence is this:


The value of American - and Afghan - lives

By Tom Engelhardt

Do you do this in the United States? There is police action every day in the United States ... They don't call in airplanes to bomb the place.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai denouncing US air strikes on homes in his country
, June 12, 2012

It was almost closing time when the siege began at a small Wells Fargo Bank branch in a suburb of San Diego, and it was a nightmare. The three gunmen entered with the intent to rob, but as they herded the 18 customers and bank employees toward a back room, they were spotted by a pedestrian outside who promptly called emergency services. Within minutes, police cars were pulling up, the bank was surrounded, and backup was being called in from neighboring communities. The gunmen promptly barricaded themselves inside with their hostages, including women and small children, and refused to let anyone leave.

The police called on the gunmen to surrender, but before negotiations could even begin, shots were fired from within the bank, wounding a police officer. The events that followed - now known to everyone, thanks to 24/7 news coverage - shocked the nation. Declaring the bank robbers "terrorist suspects", the police requested air support from the Pentagon and, soon after, an F-15 from Vandenberg Air Force Base dropped two GBU-38 bombs on the bank, leaving the building a pile of rubble.

All three gunmen died. Initially, a Pentagon spokesman, who took over messaging from the local police, insisted that "the incident" had ended "successfully" and that all the dead were "suspected terrorists". The Pentagon press office issued a statement on other casualties, noting only that "while conducting a follow-on assessment, the security force discovered two women who had sustained non-life-threatening injuries. The security force provided medical assistance and transported both women to a local medical facility for treatment". It added that it was sending an "assessment team" to the site to investigate reports that others had died as well.

Of course, as Americans quickly learned, the dead actually included five women, seven children, and a visiting lawyer from Los Angeles. The aftermath was covered in staggering detail. Relatives of the dead besieged city hall, bitterly complaining about the attack and the deaths of their loved ones. At a news conference the next morning, while scenes of rescuers digging in the rubble were still being flashed across the country, President Barack Obama said: "Such acts are simply unacceptable. They cannot be tolerated." In response to a question, he added: "Nothing can justify any air strike which causes harm to the lives and property of civilians."

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, immediately flew to San Diego to meet with family members of the dead and offer apologies. Heads rolled in the local police department and in the Pentagon. Congress called for hearings as well as a Justice Department investigation of possible criminality, and quickly passed a bill offering millions of dollars to the grieving relatives as "solace". San Diego began raising money for a memorial to the group already dubbed the Wells Fargo 18.

One week later, at the exact moment of the bombing, church bells rang throughout the San Diego area and Congress observed a minute of silence in honor of the dead.

The meaning of 'precision'

It couldn't have been more dramatic and, as you know perfectly well, it couldn't have happened - not in the US, anyway. But just over a week ago, an analogous "incident" did happen in Afghanistan and it passed largely unnoticed in the United States. A group of Taliban insurgents reportedly entered a house in a village in Logar province, south of Kabul, where a wedding ceremony either was or would be in progress. US and Afghan forces surrounded the house, where 18 members of a single extended family had gathered for the celebration. When firing broke out (or a grenade was thrown) and both US and Afghan troops were reportedly wounded, they did indeed call in a jet, which dropped a 500-pound (225-kilogram) bomb, obliterating the residence and everyone inside, including up to nine children.

This was neither an unheard-of mistake nor an aberration in America's Afghan war. In late December 2001, according to reports, a B-52 and two B-1B bombers, using precision-guided weapons, wiped out 110 of 112 wedding revelers in a small Afghan village. Over the decade-plus that followed, US air power, piloted and drone, has been wiping out Afghans (as well as Pakistanis and, until relatively recently, Iraqis) in a similar fashion - usually in or near their homes, sometimes in striking numbers, always on the assumption that there are bad guys among them.

For more than a decade, incident after incident, any one of which, in the US, would have shaken Americans to their core, led to "investigations" that went nowhere, punishments to no one, rare apologies, and on occasion, the offering of modest "solatium" payments to grieving survivors and relatives. For such events, of course, 24/7 coverage, like future memorials, was out of the question.


Cumulatively, they indicate one thing: that, for Americans, the value of an Afghan life (or more often Afghan lives) obliterated in the backlands of the planet, thousands of kilometers from home, is next to nil and of no meaning whatsoever. Such deaths are just so much unavoidable "collateral damage" from the American way of war - from the post-September 2001 approach we have agreed is crucial to make ourselves "safe" from terrorists.

By now, Afghans (and Pakistanis in tribal areas across the border) surely know the rules of the road of the American war: there is no sanctity in public or private rites. While funerals have been hit repeatedly and at least one baby-naming ceremony was taken out as well, weddings have been the rites of choice for obliteration for reasons the US Air Force has, as far as we know, never taken a moment to consider, no less explain. Tomdispatch counted five weddings blown away (one in Iraq and four in Afghanistan) by mid-2008, and another from that year not reported until 2009. The latest incident is at least the seventh that has managed, however modestly, to make the news in the US, but there is no way of knowing what other damage to wedding parties in rural Afghanistan has gone uncounted.

Imagine the uproar in the United States if a jet took out a wedding party. Just consider the attention given every time some mad gunman shoots up a post office, a college campus, or simply an off-campus party, if you want to get an idea. You might think then that, given the US record of wedding carnage in Afghanistan, which undoubtedly represents some kind of modern wedding-crasher record, there might have been a front-page story, or simply a story, somewhere, anywhere, indicating the repetitive nature of such events.

And yet if US carnage in that country gets attention at all, it's usually only to point out, in self-congratulatory fashion, that the Taliban - with their indiscriminate roadside bombs and their generally undiscriminating suicide bombers - are far worse. If a US campus is shot up, what are the odds that the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech won't be mentioned? And yet not a single report on the recent deaths in Logar province has even noted that this is not the first time part of an Afghan wedding party has been taken out by the US Air Force.

Over the years, such incidents, when they rose individually to the level of news, almost invariably followed the same pattern: initial denials by US military or North Atlantic Treaty Organization spokesmen that any civilian casualties had occurred and then, if outrage in Afghanistan ratcheted up or the news reports on the incident didn't die down, a slow back-pedaling under pressure, and the launching of an "investigation" or, as in the case of the Logar bombing, a "joint investigation" with Afghan authorities, that seldom led anywhere and often was never heard from or about again. In the end, in some circumstances, apologies were offered and modest "solatium" payments made to the survivors.

And yet, over the years, amid all the praise for the "precision" of America's air power, for the ability of its air force to bring a bomb or a missile to its target in a fashion that we like to call "surgical", it is no small thing - explain it as you will - to wipe out parts or all of seven weddings. You might almost think that America's wars on the Eurasian continent had been launched as an assault on "family values". At the very least, the Afghan war has given a different meaning to the ceremonial phrase "till death do us part".

The country crasher

For years, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has bitterly complained about similar air strikes that kill and wound civilians in or near their homes and repeatedly demanded that they be stopped. In this particular case, he cut short a trip to China and returned to Afghanistan to denounce the attack as "unacceptable". Ordinarily, this has meant remarkably little.

In this case, however, the Afghan president, who lacks much real power (hence his old nickname, "the mayor of Kabul"), seems to have the wind at his back. Perhaps because the Obama administration is on edge about its disintegrating relations with Pakistan (thanks, in part, to its unwillingness to offer an apology for cross-border US air strikes that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers last November); perhaps because the list of recent US blunders and disasters in Afghanistan has grown long and painful - the urinating on bodies of dead enemies, the killing of civilians "for sport", the burning of Korans, the slaughter of 16 innocent villagers by one American soldier, the rise of green-on-blue violence (that is, Afghan army and police attacks on their American allies); perhaps because of its need to maintain a facade of if not success, then at least non-failure in Afghanistan as drawdowns begin there in an election year at home; or perhaps thanks to a combination of all of the above, Karzai's angry initial response to the Logar wedding killings did not go unnoticed in Washington.

In fact, the initial denials that any civilian deaths had occurred were quickly dropped, the head of US forces in Afghanistan, General John Allen, promptly apologized to the president, and then, in what might have been a unique act in the Afghan war record, went to Logar province to meet with the provincial governor and apologize directly to grieving relatives. ("The faces of the people were very sad," said Mohammad Akbar Stanekzai, a parliamentarian member of a delegation Karzai appointed to investigate the incident. "They told [General Allen], 'These incidents don't just happen once, but two, three, four times and they keep happening.'")

At the same time, it was announced that there would be a change in the US policy of calling in air strikes on homes and villages in support of US operations. The Afghans promptly claimed that the Americans had agreed to stop calling in air power at all in their country. The Americans offered a far vaguer version of the policy change. Anonymous US military officials in Kabul quickly suggested that it represented only "a subtle shift in the ground realities of the war against the Taliban". In fact, it did contain loopholes big enough to slip a B-52 through. As General Allen put it, "What we have agreed is that we would not use aviation ordnance on civilian dwellings. Now that doesn't obviate our inherent right to self-defense. We will always ... do whatever we have to do to protect the force."

It's easy enough, however, to sense an urge in Washington to calm the waters, not to have one more thing go truly wrong anywhere. At this very moment, the president and his top officials are undoubtedly praying that the euro zone doesn't collapse and that the ******* theater of operations doesn't disintegrate into chaos or burst into flames in the early months of a planned drawdown of US troops; that, in fact, nothing truly terrible happens - until at least November 7, 2012.

Karzai has clearly grasped the Obama administration's present feeling of vulnerability and frustration in the region and, gambler that he is, he promptly upped the ante. While the Americans were speaking of those "subtle" changes, he branded US air strikes in Afghanistan an "illegitimate use of force" and demanded that, when it came to air attacks on Afghan homes, the planes simply be grounded, whatever the dangers to US or Afghan troops.

Back in 2009, war commander General Stanley McChrystal ordered a somewhat similar reining in of US air strikes, a position countermanded by the next commander, General David Petraeus, who called the planes back in force. Now, those air strikes will, to one degree or another, once again be a limited option. But realistically, air power remains essential to the American way of war, whatever Karzai may demand. So count on one thing: Before this is all over, it will be called in again - and in Afghanistan, weddings will still be celebrated.

In the meantime, after more than a decade of our most recent Afghan war, the Obama administration and the US military are clearly willing to hang out a temporary sign saying: "Washington at work. Afghans, thank you for your patience ..." Just across the border in Pakistan, however, "kill lists" are in effect and the air campaign there is being ratcheted up.

In the process, one thing can be said about US firepower: It has been remarkably precise in the way it has destabilized the region. In December 2001, we Americans first took on the role of wedding crashers. More than 10 years later, it couldn't be clearer that we've been country crashers, too.

Tom Engelhardt, co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The United States of Fear as well as The End of Victory Culture, runs the Nation Institute's TomDispatch.com. His latest book, co-authored with Nick Turse, is Terminator Planet: The First History of Drone Warfare, 2001-2050.

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