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US shoots itself in foot in Pakistan jet deal .

I can't believe immature reaction here. It is called leverage. Right now, Pakistan has no leverage, but geopolitics has no fixed position which means the leverage can return any time. If USA is the first to leave, it will be same USA will run towards Pakistan like wagging tail in the foreseeable future. Pakistan is too important to ignore since its growing relationship with Russia and other factors that is very likely to change the game.
 
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Realistically we only have one option China. I sometimes think what if China was a lowlife opium country. What would have been our state?

US or UK will never allow an powerless Pakistan against India. They will ensure an balance of power. For their own gains. This is how Super power works.
 
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Sorry to spell the truth, the USA doesn't see Pakistan as an ally now, only liability.

Uncle Sam has the habit of using other countries (allies or not) to do his dirty deeds, probably throws a few bones along the way as a reward to keep those countries hooked, and when Uncle Sam has achieved his master plan, he cuts loose these countries and be gone in a flash, leaving a trail of destruction and wake of problems for those helpless countries to deal with on their own.

Backstage scene:
Uncle Sam will be sitting comfortably on the other side of the pond, counting greenbacks while smoking cigar in the couch, safely away from most of the turbulent worldly strife other countries are facing. And he knows these countries will be turning to him again for military hardware, everyone wants Uncle Sam as a friend, only a matter of time... now he's thinking: let's see who is going to be the next sucker in the game *grins evilly...TBC for the next episode*
 
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Yes, lie lie lie til the world believes you. And snitch when lying does not work. Of course you will deny reporting me. And of course you will abuse negative rating. Who likes being exposed as a moron?
Trust me, when I report people, I admit when I do. Like now, you're being report for this comment.
 
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Sorry to spell the truth, the USA doesn't see Pakistan as an ally now, only liability.

Uncle Sam has the habit of using other countries (allies or not) to do his dirty deeds, probably throws a few bones along the way as a reward to keep those countries hooked, and when Uncle Sam has achieved his master plan, he cuts loose these countries and be gone in a flash, leaving a trail of destruction and wake of problems for those helpless countries to deal with on their own.

Backstage scene:
Uncle Sam will be sitting comfortably on the other side of the pond, counting greenbacks while smoking cigar in the couch, safely away from most of the turbulent worldly strife other countries are facing. And he knows these countries will be turning to him again for military hardware, everyone wants Uncle Sam as a friend, only a matter of time... now he's thinking: let's see who is going to be the next sucker in the game *grins evilly...TBC for the next episode*

The US might have seen Pakistan as an ally but Pakistan never did. The US is more like an impermanent fair whether partner.
 
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USA never been ally to us

Infact india tested nukes no sanctions but help but when we test nukes they force sanctions on us

Double standards shows they are friend of our enemy it makes them our enemy

No point we should buy these F 16 they can be hacked by USA to not fly when we need to fly them in war bellieve me
 
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Why must we see this as a curse but not as an opportunity. F-16 are like a noose around pakistans neck for decades now. US has leveraged it to achieve their goal and make us look stupid infront of entire world. Just bcz PAF had some imaginary plans that 100 or so F16 will give them a psychological boost doesn't mean it was bound to be true as plan are made to be changed according to the presented scenerio. Pakistanis are like those characters of sesame street who think living in a good quality dustbin or gutter is sign of them being royalty. Seriously one can only cry over this kind of mind set.

On the other hand US was bound to become our enemy in not so long term future bcz of our nukes and our economic association with Chinese. Only an idiot thinks that he can enjoy luxury ride on two VIP boats at the same time and such is situation of us Pakistanis. Such a sorry state of affair to be honest.
 
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@MastanKhan why no statement from the COAS yet? But many here tell me Pakistan does indeed have the funds but just does not want to pay the full price. Reminds me of a old expression that sometimes things taste or feel better when it's free.
 
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I think you summed up very nicely but still then i feel empathetic for ordinary people of Pakistan...Every one knows that USA used Pakistan but Pakistan intellectuals and the so called Army supporters can not justify their stand in front of US...
The answer is simple, diplomacy is an art and this should be done by diplomats and leaders..But in your case,your army has one opinion which is supported by your vocal public and political leaders although understand the reality, do not have any support from the massed due to their inability and inefficiency in Governing the nation. So this is leading to a situation where your internal differences is reflecting in your foreign policy...And your Gov has to understand that your public sentiment and rational foreign policy should be kept aside and separated...You can not keep on playing blame game to US in one way in media and public spaces and expect that none of the US gov will react to this perception of Pakistani towards US...
 
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@MastanKhan why no statement from the COAS yet? But many here tell me Pakistan does indeed have the funds but just does not want to pay the full price. Reminds me of a old expression that sometimes things taste or feel better when it's free.
why would yo pay a full price for fighter which USA says you can only use against terrorist..??
 
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Aziz uncle is going senile too he said he is going to raise the issue in the UN of a nuclear free Indian Ocean. Did someone explain to uncle the UK has a trident sub on continuous patrol which is part of it's doctrine? No offence but you guys seriously need a proper foreign affairs minister.
 
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Well this was coming as for years all the news which could build sympathy in US for Pakistan were never highlighted and on the other hand Indian lobby with the help of their allies is doing well. It has taken decades so we cannot blame it all on two chiefs. The Osama story handling was not good same as the Mansoor story. Pakistan should stop corruption, stop looking for handouts and have an honest straight forward and simple foreign policy. Nations who receive aid are never treated with respect. It may be too late but still need to correct the situation. Now the World will change and not for good.
 
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why would yo pay a full price for fighter which USA says you can only use against terrorist..??

The funds allocated are for the war on terror/kerry lugar bill. Why sign it in the first place? We all know yankee goods comes with certain conditions why you think India does not buy tanks, fighters from them? But just transport planes, surveillance planes etc

These yanks have a end monitoring thing in place they can turn up when when we sleeping and say hey open the door I want to conduct a inspection of the goods

Russia is best they sell us goods without clauses like the Americans, yes they want cold hard cash but hey you get what you pay for.
 
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